Guest Anglesault Report post Posted December 8, 2003 I don't understand why so many people list this as their feud of the year. Forget that the actual matches were a letdown for a minute. The feud itslf was one of the most bizarrely (and poorly) booked feuds (Actual legitimate wrestling based feuds, so no Torrie-Dawn or Necrophillia) I've ever seen. For the first three months of the damn thing, I don't think Kurt Angle got in one non-match offensive move (Which finally ended like two weeks before the show) or had one plan work. Then after a two month sabatical, Kurt comes back to resume his feud with Brock. Except they play the damn thing like teenagers in love for no logical reason. This lasts about 2 months before Brock turns and takes over Angle's role as the bumbler who can't do ANYTHING to the face until the Iron man match where niether man was booked well. Why in all hell is this feud of the year worthy? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PLAGIARISM! 0 Report post Posted December 8, 2003 It certainly ain't, even HHH/Goldberg got my nod over this. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Youth N Asia 0 Report post Posted December 8, 2003 I was much more impressed with WGTT vs The Guerreros Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kurt Angle Mark 0 Report post Posted December 9, 2003 I agree the feud sucked. Not only was it disappointing but IMO it took alot of luster off Kurt Angle. Except for Angle making Lesnar tap at Summerslam, Angle came off looking really bad. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest ligerbomb03 Report post Posted December 9, 2003 I've always thought that WWE ruined the Angle-Brock feud. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tawren 0 Report post Posted December 9, 2003 It was such a bad year, this stood out. That's the only reason I can think of. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest ligerbomb03 Report post Posted December 9, 2003 Brock and Kurt faced each other too many times, tag matches and singles matches, and I really stopped caring because everything that was special about it was thrown out the window. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Youth N Asia 0 Report post Posted December 9, 2003 I could have been great. It was ok to start...but this whole Brock heel who taps at the drop of the hate deal had just about killed him for me Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kahran Ramsus 0 Report post Posted December 9, 2003 It wins almost by default. WGTT/Guerreros only made both sides look like idiots, plus Chavo got hurt in the middle of it. Jericho/Shawn featured Jericho getting buried far worse than Angle did, who at least came back and won the WWE Title. HHH/Goldberg features two of the most hated wrestlers in the business and terrible matches. Eddy/Benoit lasted like two weeks and was only a side act to the Benoit/Rhyno feud. What do you think was better? Shane McMahon vs. Kane? Brock/Angle was bad, but everything else was worse. Brock & Angle both looked like fools at various points, but didn't do much permanent damage (unlike Jericho jobbing to a cripple or Kane made a fool of by a non-wrestler), and the disappointing matches were still better than what 90% of the roster was putting on. But there is one real reason to put this as feud of the year. Unlike any other major feud Brock/Angle came away with one positive side effect, the rise of Benjamin & Haas. In every other feud (save HHH/Goldberg which isn't over yet, and like hell I'm picking those two), some or in many cases all of the participants came out severely damaged. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted December 9, 2003 What do you think was better? Nothing. A feud of the year should be conistantly good the whole way through and be heads and tails better than anything. "Best of the worst" doesn't cut it. In my mind, there was no FotY. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
haVoc 0 Report post Posted December 9, 2003 Besides Brock getting the upper hand most of the time, the first part of this feud was good. Team Angle, Big Show, Heyman all trying to keep Brock away from the Champion was decent stuff. I put a lot of the blame on Kurt Angle for the reason this feud lacked something. His multi-injuries and his most boring and bland baby face character in the world. At least they got smart and made Brock heel again. Of course, Vince, Taker and others all getting involved in the feuds and stealing their heat didn't help either. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ghettoman Report post Posted December 9, 2003 Brock vs Big Show will be the fued of the year if they ever have a blow off match. Nothing better than stiff hoss brutality. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest OnlyMe Report post Posted December 9, 2003 Nothing. A feud of the year should be conistantly good the whole way through and be heads and tails better than anything. "Best of the worst" doesn't cut it. In my mind, there was no FotY. "best" and "good" aren't the same thing. Something can be the "best" and still "completely fucking awful" - like how there's a "best Mark Henry match". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RavishingRickRudo 0 Report post Posted December 9, 2003 Really, it's a matter of perspective. In a year of shitty storylines, shouldn't the shittiest be called "the best"? And shouldn't the worst be the least bad of the bunch?? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kahran Ramsus 0 Report post Posted December 9, 2003 Really, it's a matter of perspective. In a year of shitty storylines, shouldn't the shittiest be called "the best"? And shouldn't the worst be the least bad of the bunch?? Okay. Kane vs. Shane McMahon is your feud of the year then. Kane was the first guy actually drawing ratings in two years and they killed his heat with this. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lord of The Curry 0 Report post Posted December 9, 2003 There's still a few weeks left in the year so let's just hope Brock vs Benoit pulls it out, storyline-wise, as their match from last weeks SD can best anything that Brock and Angle did. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Mindless_Aggression Report post Posted December 9, 2003 The feud of the year is La Resistance vs The Rock N Sock Connection. So there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RavishingRickRudo 0 Report post Posted December 9, 2003 Okay. Kane vs. Shane McMahon is your feud of the year then. Kane was the first guy actually drawing ratings in two years and they killed his heat with this. I'd agree with that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ghettoman Report post Posted December 9, 2003 I still say it's Brock/Big Show, as there matches were the most suprising and always entertaining, they had a 'moment' with the ring collapsing, and all they really need now is a blow off, preferably involving a lot of weapons, WMXX and a shooting star press. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RavishingRickRudo 0 Report post Posted December 9, 2003 Yeah, but now they're best friends with little-to-no transition time to establish that. Kinda negates their whole rivalry. Not to mention Big Show had to swing Rey Jr. like a baseball bat in order to get heat. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ghettoman Report post Posted December 10, 2003 Well Brock would have to work face as Show gets over big when Brock bumps for him, and Show doesn't work well as a face. But from there it's easy as the history's there, they haven't become clearly buddy/buddy and with the seemingly evident 'everyone against' Lesnar angle that's probably being used to set up Lesnar/Goldberg at Mania, I doubt there going to anytime soon. Keep up with what you have, save Goldberg for Austin(let him get beat up, then call it quits, face vs face "for the fans epic") and put Brock over huge in a total hossfest with Show, ending with the flying redemption song. Thats my ideal mania anyway. Probably not totally logical or going to happen, but I'd like it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted December 10, 2003 Besides Brock getting the upper hand most of the time, the first part of this feud was good So, besides what actually happened, the first 1/3 was good? The angle would have been decent if Heyman, Show, Angle, or TA had succeeded once Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Askewniverse Report post Posted December 10, 2003 The angle would have been decent if Heyman, Show, Angle, or TA had succeeded once Does the switcheroo count? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted December 10, 2003 The angle would have been decent if Heyman, Show, Angle, or TA had succeeded once Does the switcheroo count? Nope. a) It was stupid b) Brock got the last laugh. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RavishingRickRudo 0 Report post Posted December 10, 2003 (edited) Team Angle bombed. Not in the "Haas and Benjamin suck" way, but in the "Two guys who are specialized in defeating Brock Lesnar" way - which they clearly weren't. Benjamin wasn't only a former teammate of Brock, he helped TRAIN Brock. Charlie Haas was "the next kurt angle". Did the WWE really enhance either of these attributes? No, of course not. They just played the "let's beat Brock down/let's bump for Brock" role that anyone could have played (the WWE has since gone on to make Tajiri's gang the same, as well as Brock's "heavies".) That part of the Angle/Lesnar feud bombed.. and it could have been something ORIGINAL and lasted for at least 2 PPV's (hmm, like Royal Rumble and NWO). Instead they did Brock vs. Big Show... which they did throughout Brock vs. Angle.... which also ruined it. Then there is Angle/Lesnar itself - they had MONTHS to make Kurt Angle look STRONG and they couldn't even do it for a week. There was no point in the course of that feud where I thought "Gee, maybe Kurt could actually win" AND KURT IS THE FUCKING CHAMPION! Yes, Brock is bigger. Yes, Brock is stronger. But Kurt has more experience, is at a higher level in terms of being an olympic gold medalist, is smarter, and is quicker... so how do they play this up? BY HAVING ERIC ANGLE SUB-IN?! FUCKING CHRIST! BY HAVING THE FEUD STILL CENTRED ON HEYMAN vs. LESNAR? FUCKING FUCK! Angle/Lesnar was a simple feud to book. It was HANDED to them, and they had to do what they always do and that's fuck it up with their over-booking and formulaic bullshit. And that was just the first part of their feud. The Second part had Angle coming back to an awesome video package and all-of-a-sudden he's best friends with Brock Lesnar! OOOOOOK! "Brock called me on the phone and checked up on me and we talked in the hospital and became good friends" RIIIIGHT, and during the whole time Kurt was laid up in hospital did we see Brock on the phone talking to him? Would it have killed them to have Brock hang up the phone with "ok, talk to you later, hope you get better soon" a few times to PROVE that Brock and Kurt talked? We're supposed to take their word for it? Their relationship was built on a shakey foundation as we, the fans, had no actual connection and did not see their friendship form - so why should we care about it? We shouldn't and we didn't. The Brock/Angle friendship was just fucking bad. Then Angle turns on Team Angle for the same reason (in the opposite direction) that he is best buds with Brock - for off-screen reasons. Here's an idea WWE - SHOW, DON'T TELL! And that didn't even lead to a PPV match or anything. One would think that the break-up of a major part of Smackdown for a few months would warrant some sort of high-profile match. Nope. To make matters worse, Kurts "Big Comeback" where he was gunning for the title was botched when he didn't even gun for the title. He came back and his first target(s) were Big Show and Team Angle. Add that to "my-new-best-bud" Brock being the title holder and there was no emotional investment in his quest for the title. Fucking bullshit. Again, the WWE being handed something and them botching it through over-booking and formula. Adding to this was the fact that Big Show one-upped BOTH men and became the focus of the Vengeance match. So Kurt wins the title in a *3 way*, because lord-knows they have to stretch out Brock vs. Angle. 3 ways somehow take away from the fact that Brock and Angle were still wrestling each other in that match. And why not have Kurt make his triumphant title win in a disputed fashion? And then Brock turns heel. 3 Major Fuck ups. Another fuck up came when Angle tapped Brock with NO fanfare, NO hype, and NO point. The tap out factor alone was worth another match. So Brock becomes the pussy heel thus destroying a lot of the monster cred he built up a year earlier and he takes the title ON TV after a lacklustre Ironman match where he cheated several times to win the title *which they play up to this day*. There ends the feud, on TV, after 3 PPV matches... THIS is the Feud of the Year? The only reason this feud should be highlighted for anything is to show how NOT to book a feud. Edited December 10, 2003 by RavishingRickRudo Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest PowerPB13 Report post Posted December 10, 2003 Feud of the year? In terms of sheer mutual hatred for one another, my vote goes to WWE vs. Wrestling Fans. -Patrick Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RavishingRickRudo 0 Report post Posted December 10, 2003 I'd agree with that... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted December 10, 2003 What about WWE vs. Common Sense? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RavishingRickRudo 0 Report post Posted December 10, 2003 Ooooh, TOUGH CALL! WWE vs. Fans WWE vs. Common Sense. WWE vs. Common Sense, because that ultimately goes against the fans and should actually be easier to win for the WWE - since it's *Common* sense and they should have it, yet they still can't quite get it. Meanwhile, the fans are a bit harder to please. I mean, common sense would say that the McMahons should stay off TV; but the fans still cheer them... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest PowerPB13 Report post Posted December 10, 2003 (edited) What about WWE vs. Common Sense? I think that's my runner-up. Seriously, there has been no other wrestling organization EVER that has figuratively looked its fanbase straight in the eye and said "FUCK YOU, you'll take the crap we dish out and like it, and if you don't, then walk away and never see your precious little favorites again because they're only allowed to work OUR shows." -Patrick Edited December 10, 2003 by PowerPB13 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
