Has there ever been a less-convincing title threat

[Guest Your Olympic Hero]

Because of all of this, I want to know why he isn't getting the biggest pops of the night - every night. Yes, even more than Cena. Because I haven't seen a better booked face in a WWE feud in at least a couple of years.

He's being booked well now, yes.

 

BUT, fans remember Sparky Plugg. They remember the super heavyweight Holly Cousins. They remember the fact that Holly has been around for ten years and has never done jack shit... so why will he be able to now?

[Guest bort]

WCW 94 starcade biggest card of the year who do they put in the main event slot.........Brutus the Butcher

[deancoles 0]

King Of the Ring 94 had Lawler and Piper.

[AndrewTS 0]

"Bob Holly has been served gold on a silver platter. He's made Big Show tap out. He never gets beat down like face challengers usually do. He's kicked out of MONSTER~! Matt Morgan's finisher. And he's made Brock pee his pants week in and week out, which no one else has been able to do since his debut."

 

...

 

I haven't been watching Smackdown. Yikes.

 

Does this mean that... *gulp*...his push isn't done for once Rumble comes and goes?

[Guest JumpinJackFlash]

I know that Brock will beat up Holly, however after the match, I believe Holly will beat the hell out of Lesnar. This will cause him to injure his neck, giving him an excuse to lose the title because of how weak he will become. Guerrero will kill the (crippled) monster. Lesnar is going to have a.....BROKEN-FREAKIN-NECK!

[MillenniumMan831 0]

I can't believe they haven't mentioned once that his debut came 10 years ago at the Royal Rumble and actually lasted approx. 30 minutes in the match. You'd think they could drop that tidbit in. Well, maybe they did and I didn't see it . . . I dunno.

[AndrewTS 0]

Did anyone buy King Mabel as a legitimate challenger? Sure, he was big and fat, but that's about it.

 

I recall that feud being the biggest disaster of the already-bad Diesel reign.

[Toxxic 0]

I think they've done it wrong. Holly is being booked strong, but is in no way a viable threat. What I think should be happening, after some reflection, is the following:

 

Holly comes back and goes after Lesnar. Lesnar is clearly nervous about the guy who wants to break his neck.

 

Heyman won't give Holly a title shot, so Holly says he doesn't want a title shot, he just wants Brock. So Holly gets Brock for the Rumble - he's so intent on maiming Brock that the title is a secondary consideration, or indeed that is ignored if it gets him a shot at Lesnar.

 

Lesnar is still worried. At the Royal Rumble... Holly beats Lesnar. Now calm your screams and listen. Holly doesn't beat him clean - some backfiring interference, or Lesnar bumps the ref intentionally and then Holly uses a chair, or whatever. Either way, Holly beats Lesnar, but the champ escapes with his title and before Holly can break his neck.

 

Now Holly has the taste of blood. He wants Lesnar again, NOW he wants the title, and since he holds a non-title victory over Lesnar he IS the number one contender. So two weeks later on, or at the equivalent SD! to No Way Out, whatvever, Heyman has no choice but to give him the shot.

 

People are thinking "the title won't change hands on Smackdown!", but no-one would have thought Holly could beat Lesnar. So the match starts with Holly going after Lesnar again - but this time, Lesnar switches back into "Monster" mode and starts destroying Holly. Faced with the possibility of losing his title, as opposed to just trying to get away from Holly, Lesnar goes apeshit and unloads on Hardcore, beating him cleanly.

 

Now Holly has had a half-decent run as top face, was probably in some minds at least a REAL title threat, and could if necessary be used in that way again (assuming a breakout of leprosy in the rest of the roster or something). Brock meanwhile has rediscovered his ability to kick ludicrous amounts of arse and is no longer booked like a pussy, giving him about 6 weeks or so to set up a feud for Mania against "real" opposition.

 

Thoughts?

[Guest Anglesault]

I can't believe they haven't mentioned once that his debut came 10 years ago at the Royal Rumble and actually lasted approx. 30 minutes in the match. You'd think they could drop that tidbit in. Well, maybe they did and I didn't see it . . . I dunno.

Perhaps they realized no one would care.

[Guest Anglesault]

At the Royal Rumble... Holly beats Lesnar.

Absolutely not.

 

Getting Bob Fucking Holly over isn't so important that it's worth that.

[AndrewTS 0]

Lesnar is still worried. At the Royal Rumble... Holly beats Lesnar. Now calm your screams and listen. Holly doesn't beat him clean - some backfiring interference, or Lesnar bumps the ref intentionally and then Holly uses a chair, or whatever. Either way, Holly beats Lesnar, but the champ escapes with his title and before Holly can break his neck.

 

No.

[Guest Mulatto Heat]

So two weeks later on, or at the equivalent SD! to No Way Out, whatvever, Heyman has no choice but to give him the shot.

SD equivalent? No Way Out is a SD PPV.

 

Anyway, Brock/Eddie has already been announced. The cat's out of the bag.

[Lil' Bitch 0]

The only reason Brock is being booked like such a pussy is to display that Holly might actually have a chance of winning.

 

 

I'm not worried though. Bob fucking Holly ain't winning the title, and if he did, it would another one of the biggest laughing stocks in WWE history.

[Guest The Midnight Rocking Warrior]

Holly has beaten the Rock and Foley? I remember him pinning Kane, holding the Hardcore title before the 24/7 rule totally destroyed it's credibility, and making the Big show tap out ( Obviously), but when has he defeated The Rock and/or Foley?

[Toxxic 0]

At the Royal Rumble... Holly beats Lesnar.

Absolutely not.

 

Getting Bob Fucking Holly over isn't so important that it's worth that.

I'm not bothered about getting Holly over - I'm trying to give the feud some conceivable possibility that Holly will win the title and incidently kick-start Lesnar's reversion to arse-kicking monster. Otherwise the entire feud will have been pointless.

 

You know, I think I just realised something...

 

 

Although what you were saying about Brock having no need to worry about Holly because he's already taken out the bigger Show - size isn't important (past a certain point) here. Sure, Show is a threat to Lesnar in a match. So's Rey Mysterio when booked correctly. Both are trying to *beat* Lesnar. But Holly isn't necessarily going to try that. If I was storyline Lesnar I would be expecting Holly to go for my neck the moment the bell rings, or before, and try and break it whether or not he gets disqualified. Show wouldn't do that because then he wouldn't win the title, but Holly doesn't give a shit. The only size Holly needs to be is big enough to conceivably break Brock's neck, which he is and someone like Mysterio wouldn't be.

[Guest Anglesault]

At the Royal Rumble... Holly beats Lesnar.

Absolutely not.

 

Getting Bob Fucking Holly over isn't so important that it's worth that.

I'm not bothered about getting Holly over - I'm trying to give the feud some conceivable possibility that Holly will win the title

It's not so important to make Bob Holly look credible that you sacrifice Brock.

 

They should have had Bob Come out the first week, whine and get KILLED by Brock, and of story.

 

Although what you were saying about Brock having no need to worry about Holly because he's already taken out the bigger Show

 

And because he's already taken out Holly.

[Lil' Bitch 0]

Its Holly's own damn fault for getting his neck broken, so he gets no sympathy from me. I just HOPE Holly doesn't actually try to potato Brock (or worse).

[Downhome 0]

Its Holly's own damn fault for getting his neck broken, so he gets no sympathy from me. I just HOPE Holly doesn't actually try to potato Brock (or worse).

Remember...Brock wins by D/Q.

 

I think Mable is the most unlikely guy to win the title, I never expected it to happen even for a second.

[J. Hungerford Smith 0]

Back when the Rock was in the Corporation, I remember him defending against the likes of X-Pac and Al Snow.

[Guest Dids]

They've never booked Holly as a threat to the title, they've booked him as someone who doesn't give a fuck and will hurt Brock if he's got the chance. I don't think he's supposed to be credible. He's supposed to make the next person that beats Brock look credible because they've book themselves into a corner by making Brock as powerful as he is.

[Guest Mulatto Heat]

They've never booked Holly as a threat to the title, they've booked him as someone who doesn't give a fuck and will hurt Brock if he's got the chance.

They've been doing that and booking him as the next possible champion.

 

That is why Holly's been saying that he'll take Brock's title and why Cole has been hyping him as the next champion. It was way back in November when it "wasn't about titles". It's not the case today.

[Guest Pigsy]

At the Royal Rumble... Holly beats Lesnar. Now calm your screams and listen. Holly doesn't beat him clean - some backfiring interference, or Lesnar bumps the ref intentionally and then Holly uses a chair, or whatever. Either way, Holly beats Lesnar, but the champ escapes with his title and before Holly can break his neck.

I think your idea would work better if they did that on Smackdown and had the "Brock kills Holly" rematch at the Rumble, rather than dragging the Brock/Holly feud past the Rumble. Plus it would give them longer for the build up to No Way Out.

 

Having said that, there is one fundamental problem with this whole Bob Holly thing.

I, and I can only speak for myself, don't care how many people Holly beats or how much he wants to kill Brock, I just don't want to pay to see the man wrestle.

[Guest Ghettoman]

And when Brock is fed a protected Holly it'll mean his drive to keep that title was not only just as strong, but stronger than Holly's drive to get revenge.

 

I like it. Works, and is good for Brock.

[Guest Anglesault]

I like it. Works, and is good for Brock.

:::Buzzers go off and a sign flashing "wrong" lowers from the ceiling::

 

Losing to Bob Holly in any way shape or form for any reason whatsoever is not good for anyone.

 

How can you tell me that jobbing to Sparky Plug is better than destroying him?

[Masked Man of Mystery 0]

I think the least credible threat to the title ever was Gillberg when he fought HHH during Hunter's awesome run with the title in 2000 or so

[AndrewTS 0]

I get what the point of what Mike's saying, and it's a good storyline. The problem is..it's Holly.

 

He's still bland in the ring, only good on the mic as the "Big Shot" comedy character, unmarketable, bitter undeserving bastard ex-Sparky Plugg Bob Holly.

 

He can...uh, dropkick pretty well. Big deal, the OVW guys can do that but I wouldn't push them either.

 

It's not the worst idea in the world for a storyline, because it takes advantage of continuity and makes sense. Unfortunately, you're rewarding a prick who should have been fired for his unprofessional behavior years ago, and you're attempting a push that has a slightly higher chance of success as a Billy Gunn push.

 

Incidentally, it looks like we're in for another Billy Gunn push.

 

Although, Mabel's the least convincing, then?

 

I think the least credible threat to the title ever was Gillberg when he fought HHH during Hunter's awesome run with the title in 2000 or so

 

That was a complete joke, though, so it doesn't count. He was never built up and pushed as a credible challenger by the WWF.

[Guest Mulatto Heat]

Like I said before, the best booked upper-level face since who-knows-when has gone to.... Bob Holly. It boggles the mind.

 

Funny you mentioned Billy Gunn. At least Gunn would get quickly depushed when the blinders over his general uselessness were removed. He also never, ever got a push like Holly's current one.

 

I'll be very glad when the Rumble is over, and this is a big reason for that.

[AndrewTS 0]

Funny you mentioned Billy Gunn. At least Gunn would get quickly depushed when the blinders over his general uselessness were removed. He also never, ever got a push like Holly's current one.

He won King of the Ring, turned on DX, got a decent string of wins, and a feud with the Rock, didn't he?

 

Of course, the Rock feud was mostly Rock humiliating and beating him, but I think at that point they decided to cut their losses and just use him to put over Rock.

[Guest Mulatto Heat]

He won King of the Ring, turned on DX, got a decent string of wins, and a feud with the Rock, didn't he?

Yes he did. But nowhere in there did he get a title feud where he made the champion afraid of him (funny concept... someone afraid of Gunn....), and that was his biggest singles push of them all.

[Guest Quik]

Razor Ramon in his early years, when he faced Bret Hart at Rumble '93. Did he really have a shot in hell of winning? Nah.