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Inc, what is Dan The Automators best album?

 

I'm split between Deltron 3030 and Loveage.

My dislike of Del prevents me from enjoying Deltron; never heard Loveage.

 

So I gonna go with the Handsome Boy Modeling School album.

You dislike Del?

 

Wierd...

Dude's got talent, but he doesn't know when to quit. The way he turns practically every fucking track into a quasi-freestyle thing is gratingly self-indulgent.

 

He managed to reign it in during his two appearences on So...How's Your Girl?, so I can enjoy him, but only in moderation.

At the Helm is the greatest hip hop track off all-time. I guess it may be considered self-indulgent.

 

No need For Alarm is the angriest album I've personally ever heard. Its beautiful. I Wish my Brother Geroge Was Here was tight.

 

Del = Goodness

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Dear Incandenza....what do you think about Extreme Fireball?

I always love it when other people needlessly endanger their lives.

 

Seriously, though, the first post in that thread is, by far, the most entertaining thing to appear HD in some time.

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Seriously, though, the first post in that thread is, by far, the most entertaining thing to appear HD in some time.

I'm so honored....alright, one more question. What's up Chave's ass?

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Seriously, though, the first post in that thread is, by far, the most entertaining thing to appear HD in some time.

I'm so honored....alright, one more question. What's up Chave's ass?

yo momma

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i've fretted over this question for many a night...

 

miles davis or john coltrane: which, at his peak, is better & why?

 

and i dare to to answer this before banky does.

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i've fretted over this question for many a night...

 

miles davis or john coltrane: which, at his peak, is better & why?

 

and i dare to to answer this before banky does.

Heh. I have my answer, I'll allow Squirtle to have his say first.

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Coltrane's mid sixties work is far greater than anything else Davis ever did. Davis pretty much just went with the flow and made excellent music. But during the Coltrane Quartet years, Coltrane was an innovator. He was doing things no one had ever done before and taking jazz to a whole different level. He completely disassembled how everyone lisatened to jazz...or even popular music.

 

Davis was surely more prolific and had more great albums than Coltrane. But with Crescent, A Love Supreme, and Live at Birdland - he had three landmark albums in under 2 years...something Miles never did.

 

Even had Coltrane lived longer, I'd still consider Miles to be the superior player as his music was slowly beginning to grow wilder and wilder. Had he taken a sharp 180, Coltrane's legacy would've been ruined by his increasingly avant-garde and challenging music.

 

Miles Davis = Better musician and overall genius.

 

John Coltrane = Greater in his peak.

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you think davis was a better trumpeter than coltrane was a saxophonist? i never really thought of miles as a really great trumpeter per se, he just had a very distinctive sound & never really showed off.

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You have to consider that the trumpet can be a far more limiting/less expressive instrument than the saxophone. Given that, Davis worked superbly within those boundaries.

Nah, even Miles knew that there were better technical trumpet players than himself, and that says a lot. He knew how to make it sound beautiful, like a ballad by Miles was beyond compare - look at all of Spanish Sketches.

 

And I screwed up earlier. I said Miles didn't have 3 landmark albums in under a two year span, and I think I was wrong.

 

Porgy and Bess, Sketches of Spain, and Kind of Blue were all within the 1958-1959 range. Miles was collaborating with both Coltrane and Gil Evans at this point. Thats pretty impressive too. Most jazz folk would say Miles was better at his peak, so maybe he was? I just prefer Coltrane's Quartet from '61-'67 (?).

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you think davis was a better trumpeter than coltrane was a saxophonist? i never really thought of miles as a really great trumpeter per se, he just had a very distinctive sound & never really showed off.

For me, the sign of a great musician is making great music without showing off.

 

Also, Inc, have you heard of Franz Ferdinand yet? What do you think?

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I know it's not 'Ask Saturnmark' but I can't go without saying how much I despise Franz Ferdinand. Soon as we quietly forget about the sheer banal horror of Jet and The Thrills these twats slide in. One of them loves Sparks though, so he's not totally criminally useless.

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I know it's not 'Ask Saturnmark' but I can't go without saying how much I despise Franz Ferdinand. Soon as we quietly forget about the sheer banal horror of Jet and The Thrills these twats slide in. One of them loves Sparks though, so he's not totally criminally useless.

Franz Ferdinand > The Jets and The Thrills. By a long fucking way.

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you think davis was a better trumpeter than coltrane was a saxophonist?  i never really thought of miles as a really great trumpeter per se, he just had a very distinctive sound & never really showed off.

For me, the sign of a great musician is making great music without showing off.

 

Also, Inc, have you heard of Franz Ferdinand yet? What do you think?

possibly the sign of a great music-maker, but it's impossible to gauge someone's pure musicianship (i.e., skill in playing one's instrument) if they don't show it off a little. if hendrix had made all his music by only playing three chords, no one would be able to justify that he was a great guitarist. i can't think of any examples of miles being flamboyant with his instrument; if coltrane would take one measure and fill it with 16 different notes all over the place, miles would take the same measure & play maybe three narrow-range notes and leave a beat or two of empty space.

 

about 'sketches' & 'porgy and bess': a) i don't really consider 'porgy' to be that great an album (too "big band"-sounding for me), and b) i consider them both, more than anything, to be gil evans records that miles played on. miles is featured prominently as hell, but evans was the mastermind--he wrote the arrangements, he conducted the session players, etc. all miles did was show up and improvise, ultimately putting less time into it than the session players (as he was prone to showing up late, or not showing up at all).

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What's your favourite Dead Milkmen song?

"Stuart"

 

And chave, I haven't heard Franz Ferdinand. Nothing I've read about them interests me enough to check them out. (Mentioning Jet and The Thrills in the same category only turns me off more.)

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