Nemo Stolen?

[Guest BrokenWings]

I apologize if this has been posted before:

 

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Nemo The White Lion?

Here we go again. Disney hit with another plagiarism accusation.

 

January 30, 2004 - A Paris court will hear a suit on February 17 brought by a French author who claims that Pixar Animation Studios stole the ideas in his children's book for the movie Finding Nemo.

 

 

The story hit in late December when Author Franck le Calvez demanded an explanation from Disney, which distributed the film, and has been covered much more extensively in the foreign press than in the U.S.

 

le Calvez lodged an outline of his work Pierrot Le Poisson Clown (Pierrot the Clown Fish) with a French authors' copyright association in 1995. The illustrated book had a number of elements similar to the Oscar-nominated Pixar film.

 

In it, Pierrot loses a parent - in this case his father - to an evil predator and is separated from his remaining parent. After a journey described in one report as "enormous in its Homeric proportions," where he meets a surgeon fish and a cleaner shrimp, he is reunited with his mother.

 

le Calvez made the rounds to French studios trying to sell the idea but gave up in 2000 and decided to publish it himself. He paid $71,000 of his own money to published 2,000 copies of the book in November 2002, with illustrations by Robin Delpuech and Thierry Jagodzinski. The book was published by France's Editions Flaven Scene, and the entire print run sold out in a month.

 

le Calvez told the European press he was forced to take legal action after French bookshops stopped stocking his children's book because of fears they might be sued by Disney, even though his book came out before the film. At least one European Web site was still selling it, though, for 14.50 Euros.

 

Even though the book was published in 2002 and Finding Nemo came one year later, it took Pixar several years to develop the film. le Calvaz's attorney Pascal Kamina told a reporter for The Hollywood Reporter he believes the story found its way to the U.S. after it was submitted to French studios in 1995.

 

This has not been a good week for Walt Disney Studios as it is. Yesterday, Pixar announced it was ending its lucrative (for Disney) business arrangement and seeking a new distribution partner. When asked for a comment, a Disney representative said he would get back to us on Monday.

 

 

The cover of Franck le Calvez's book Pierrot le Poisson Clown.

 

-Credit IGN.com

[Guest Krazy Karter]

I'm laughing my ass off right now.

 

I guess this thwarts Disney's plans for the next five direct-to-video "Finding Nemo" sequels.

[2GOLD 0]

I'm laughing my ass off right now.

 

I guess this thwarts Disney's plans for the next five direct-to-video "Finding Nemo" sequels.

 

I'd like to know how Disney would have made the sequels without Pixar anyway. Disney essentially lost Nemo sequels when they lost PIXAR.

 

But screw Disney. They let their animation department come unglued and I won't feel sorry if they get sued to hell considering the over the top prices in their Disney stores.

 

Walt would turning over in his grave if he wasn't an ice cube right now

[razazteca 0]

All Disney does is get influenced by books to make its musical animated features, its not like the company had an orginal idea before.

[Mole 0]

Woah, now that is a blow to Disney.

 

Actually, it is more of a blow to Andrew Stanton. He was the one who wrote Nemo, and some were thinking he couldn't write a good movie by himself.

[Guest JMA]

This is nothing new. Disney has ripped off countless ideas before.

 

Some examples are "The Lion King" and "Atlantis: The Lost Empire."

[Guest El Satanico]

I'm laughing my ass off right now.

 

I guess this thwarts Disney's plans for the next five direct-to-video "Finding Nemo" sequels.

 

I'd like to know how Disney would have made the sequels without Pixar anyway. Disney essentially lost Nemo sequels when they lost PIXAR.

Disney doesn't lose Nemo, Pixar does.

 

Disney would still have the rights to produce stuff from their stolen idea. That is unless this author takes them to court and wins.

[Damaramu 0]

Well Disney had a history of taking classic stories then turning them into a happy go lucky everything goes right movie even if it goes against history. So yeah.....I was getting tired of them trying to paint such a happy happy world on everything.

[Guest Anglesault]

Some examples are "The Lion King"

The impression I always got from the Lion King fiasco is that someone in Disney's employ saw some barely known (outside of a cult fanbase) anime flick from like 50 years ago and passed it off as his own to Disney. By the time they were alerted, they had already gone though all that "our very own idea" business and since, like I said, all of eight people knew of Kimba or whatever it's called, they didn't feel compelled to correct it.

[Damaramu 0]

Oh....remember Jungle 2 Jungle? There was a french movie called "Little Indian, Big City". I can't figure out which one came first....but they are pretty much the same movie with almost the exact same scenes.

[Insane Bump Machine 0]

Disney doesn't lose Nemo, Pixar does.

 

Disney would still have the rights to produce stuff from their stolen idea. That is unless this author takes them to court and wins.

I don't think he was talking about the rights issue. Without Pixar there's basically no chance of a watchable sequel to Nemo, because who else should do it for them?

 

Heh, they could ask Dreamworks

[Insane Bump Machine 0]

Oh....remember Jungle 2 Jungle? There was a french movie called "Little Indian, Big City". I can't figure out which one came first....but they are pretty much the same movie with almost the exact same scenes.

The french movie came first.

[Guest El Satanico]

Disney doesn't lose Nemo, Pixar does.

 

Disney would still have the rights to produce stuff from their stolen idea. That is unless this author takes them to court and wins.

I don't think he was talking about the rights issue. Without Pixar there's basically no chance of a watchable sequel to Nemo

Like that matters

[Tawren 0]

Wait, Lion King is an anime ripoff? Explain, please...

[Damaramu 0]

Oh....remember Jungle 2 Jungle? There was a french movie called "Little Indian, Big City". I can't figure out which one came first....but they are pretty much the same movie with almost the exact same scenes.

The french movie came first.

I knew it.

[Max Danger 0]

Wait, Lion King is an anime ripoff? Explain, please...

http://www.kimbawlion.com/rant2.htm

[Tawren 0]

Wait, Lion King is an anime ripoff? Explain, please...

http://www.kimbawlion.com/rant2.htm

...Whoa.

[Guest El Satanico]

Yeah...Disney can't deny that they knowlingly ripped that off. Maybe the higher ups weren't aware, but someone within Disney knew it. There's no way Disney can explain it away as coincidences.

 

Now I don't have a problem with Disney basing it on something that hadn't been seen in the US for 20+ years, but not in the underhanded way Disney did it. Paying for premission and not hiding the fact that it's not an original creation is acceptable, but just stealing it and claiming it's your creation isn't.

[Guest Krazy Karter]

Wait, Lion King is an anime ripoff? Explain, please...

http://www.kimbawlion.com/rant2.htm

damn

[Guest Anglesault]

 

This was passed off as a lion?

 

I think it's some kind of rat.

[Guest El Satanico]

Actually it looks like a lamb

 

It's not like young Simba looked much like a lion.

[Guest Anglesault]

Actually it looks like a sheep

 

It's not like young Simba looked much like a lion.

Young Simba looked like a cat.

[Tawren 0]

 

This was passed off as a lion?

 

I think it's some kind of rat.

Oh come on man, that thing is ferocious! I'm cowering in fear. What a lion.

[Guest Krazy Karter]

Oh wait...

 

Now that joke in the Simpsons episode where Bleeding Gums Murphy dies makes sense to me.

 

"You must avenge my death Kimba...I MEAN...Simba..."

[Tawren 0]

Oh wait...

 

Now that joke in the Simpsons episode where Bleeding Gums Murphy dies makes sense to me.

 

"You must avenge my death Kimba...I MEAN...Simba..."

Oh my god that's it! That is SO MUCH funnier now!

[2GOLD 0]

I'm laughing my ass off right now.

 

I guess this thwarts Disney's plans for the next five direct-to-video "Finding Nemo" sequels.

 

I'd like to know how Disney would have made the sequels without Pixar anyway. Disney essentially lost Nemo sequels when they lost PIXAR.

Disney doesn't lose Nemo, Pixar does.

 

Disney would still have the rights to produce stuff from their stolen idea. That is unless this author takes them to court and wins.

 

Yeah, but my point was how would they even MAKE the sequels without PIXAR? Disney got lucky to find Pixar studios.

[Guest El Satanico]

Yeah but my point was that they will likely still do a sequel even without Pixar.

 

Of course that doesn't mean it will be a good move.

[Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes]

I'm laughing my ass off right now.

 

I guess this thwarts Disney's plans for the next five direct-to-video "Finding Nemo" sequels.

 

I'd like to know how Disney would have made the sequels without Pixar anyway. Disney essentially lost Nemo sequels when they lost PIXAR.

 

But screw Disney. They let their animation department come unglued and I won't feel sorry if they get sued to hell considering the over the top prices in their Disney stores.

 

Walt would turning over in his grave if he wasn't an ice cube right now

In that case "Walt Disney would be swirling around in someone's drink".

[The Amazing Rando 0]

*walks into thread*

 

*reads*

 

*chuckles slightly*

 

*reads more*

 

*becomes angered*

 

Walt Disney is not frozen. In fact...quite the reverse... as I believe he was cremated...etiher way... whatever remains of him is buried in southern California... it's on Snopes.com somewhere listed.

 

*reads longer*

 

*chuckles*

 

I am pretty sure that Dreamworks comment was sarcasm...or it should be... though I'd love to watch Katzenberg tear Eisner a new asshole

 

...for those that might not know... Katz basically credits Eisner with stealing his job as Disney CEO right out from under his nose after the last CEO died in the mid 80s ...for the most part Katz has a pretty good case, as most of the management just below CEO was fully expecting Katz to get the job, and some were highly highly shocked when it was given to Eisner after he basically became a kiss ass to everyone in the company he could.

 

On the positive side - this led to Dreamworks being created

 

On the negative side - Disney has been on quite the downward trend since Eisner took over. It's one of the main reasons I don't like Eisner right now and would like to see someone like Walt come back into the company... a person that knows what makes money - but also what truly entertains.

 

 

 

 

There is a story I love... it's about a meeting a few of the people working on Mary Poppins had with Walt just before he died in 1966.

 

Walt suggested (for the "Supercalifragilistic----" scene) that the waiters be penguins. The people in the meeting mentioned it would probably be best if they wre animated. And Walt just looked up and said "Animate the whole scene! It'd be great!" ...and the others knew he had came up with something special - and it was done. It's now one of the most famous and memorable Disney scenes ever.

[Guest JMA]

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