HarleyQuinn 0 Report post Posted February 17, 2004 Pokey's never hit better then .285 in a season FS... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest OctoberBlood Report post Posted February 17, 2004 Pokey Reese has hit around .300 and he can steal bases, good offense stuff in my mind. I know everything there is about Pokey Reese. He was and still is DREADFUL with the bat. He's never hit .300, hell - hes never had high than .747 OPS. He has one of the best gloves in the majors at 2nd base and short stop, and when he was with Cincy, he could run .. but he doesn't bring nothing but defense and decent speed to a team. I don't know where you got .300 at. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bored 0 Report post Posted February 17, 2004 Pokey Reese has hit around .300 and he can steal bases, good offense stuff in my mind. Nevermind that OBP is far more important than batting average, Reese has never hit higher than .285. The Red Sox aren't a running team so Reese isn't going to have many opportunites to steal. God damn third in line! Fine let me add something. Here is Reese's yearly OPS+ numbers. Of course an OPS+ of 100 means you were an average hitter for that year. 1997: 50 1998: 70 1999: 89 2000: 73 2001: 62 2002: 76 2003: 41 Yikes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HarleyQuinn 0 Report post Posted February 17, 2004 Also Pokey's a huge injury risk, having never played more then 149 games in a season and has played 130+ only 3 times in his career. I'm really not liking our 2B options... Bellhorn played 146 games in 2002 but otherwise has never played more then 100! games in his career(68, 11, 9, 38, 146, 99). The man if healthy would be a great OPS player but looking at both guys' histories I'm not too optomistic on either starting. I'd probably start Bellhorn just for his OBP skills and then take him out in the 7th/8th for Reese when defense becomes more important. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted February 17, 2004 Is that really all due to injuries, or managerial choice? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest OctoberBlood Report post Posted February 17, 2004 Is that really all due to injuries, or managerial choice? Managerial. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HarleyQuinn 0 Report post Posted February 17, 2004 I take back my Bellhorn being injured. He was placed on the 15 day DL on 8/2/2003 for right shoulder tendinitis but that's it. Reese's only injury came on 5/14/2003 where he missed 4 months due to a torn ligament in his left thumb. Still, kinda worries me that both guys have seen so little action in terms of playing a full season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted February 17, 2004 A-Rod will wear #13 for the Yankees. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ghettoman Report post Posted February 17, 2004 Man seeing him in that cap is gonna be hard to get used to.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HarleyQuinn 0 Report post Posted February 17, 2004 A-Rod's #'s last year vs Boston in General vs LHP: .250/.500/.250 vs RHP: .333/.486/.481 At Fenway vs Red Sox .111/.333/.111 At Arlington vs Red Sox .409/.552/.591 vs Yankees at Yankee Stadium .208/.345/.542 vs Yankees at Arlington .429/.429/.786 vs LHP Away in MLB .292/.370/.656 vs LHP Home in MLB .319/.436/.648 vs RHP Away in MLB .277/.390/.540 vs RHP Home in MLB .312/.394/.610 Hitting on Grass Away in MLB .294/.396/.605 Hitting on Grass Home at Arlington .314/.407/.621 Not exactly the most stellar numbers. Shows his numbers were greatly inflated by playing at Arlington Park. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted February 17, 2004 Could you elaborate on that point? You don't list home/away splits. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HarleyQuinn 0 Report post Posted February 17, 2004 Edited for ya Al, kind of amazing how different some of the splits are Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest OctoberBlood Report post Posted February 17, 2004 Alot of that probally has to do with facing last years Yankee pitching staff!!111 [/blah yankee fan] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HarleyQuinn 0 Report post Posted February 17, 2004 Man...such a difference in splits. He basically hit above .310 in the home splits of the categories listed and hit no better then .294 in the away splits of the categories listed. That's almost a .20 difference in terms of BA just between Arlington and every other stadium in the MLB/AL using the min. .310 and max. .294. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted February 17, 2004 At Arlington .409/.552/.591 Where does that come from? A-Rod hit 314/407/621 at Arlington last season. Man...such a difference in splits. He basically hit above .310 in the home splits of the categories listed and hit no better then .294 in the away splits of the categories listed. That's almost a .20 difference in terms of BA just between Arlington and every other stadium in the MLB/AL using the min. .310 and max. .294. His OBP and slugging are still very good. A-Rod didn't fall on his face on the road, by any measure. You can check these numbers yourself by checking out Yahoo's player page, or the one at ESPN. I actually prefer Yahoo's because they have splits from 1987 on. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HarleyQuinn 0 Report post Posted February 17, 2004 Those were the #'s vs the Red Sox in Arlington. The #'s at Arlington in general was listed in the Hitting on Grass at Home category. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fökai 0 Report post Posted February 17, 2004 EDIT: Harley corrected himself. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted February 17, 2004 Here's the trap you fall into. A-Rod faced the Sox 31 times total last season. That's too small of a sample size to make an accurate assessment. The more data you have, the better off you are. A lot of this is more random than any kind of ability. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ghettoman Report post Posted February 17, 2004 Harley do you have those stats for other players for a point of comparison? I think that would help. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest cpac Report post Posted February 17, 2004 Arod doesn't have 300 plus homeruns, 1000 rbi's and a career batting average of over .300 because of the ballpark in Arlington. It's because he has talent. Of course it is a hitters park but the guy hit's everywhere. There are reasons why his numbers might be lower against the red sox and the yankees compared to everybody else. Has anybody seen the pitching staffs on those two teams? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HarleyQuinn 0 Report post Posted February 17, 2004 Any players in mind? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
treble 0 Report post Posted February 17, 2004 You know, the Yankees and Red Sox will be playing other teams this year, so I don't really understand what showing his numbers vs. Boston shows. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HarleyQuinn 0 Report post Posted February 17, 2004 It's more just to compare how he did vs the Sox in case they meet in the playoffs and end up playing each other another 15 games or whatever it was last season. Anyways here's stats since 1987 vs AL East teams. vs Red Sox(85 games, 329 AB's) .289/.368/.514/.881 vs Orioles(83 games, 332 AB's) .328/.398/.620/1.019 vs Blue Jays(76 games, 304 AB's) .345/.410/.711/1.121 vs Devil Rays(59 games, 240 AB's) .254/.323/.508/.832 That's including both home & away games. Here's his rates vs other AL teams also incl. home & away games as requested by TC, didn't incl. NL teams since I don't know the interleague schedule. vs Angels(117 games, 455 AB's) .336/.415/.695/1.109 vs White Sox(89 games, 333 AB's) .243/.320/.435/.755 vs Indians(77 games, 299 AB's) .304/.393/.559/.952 vs Tigers(78 games, 310 AB's) .348/.402/.648/1.050 vs Royals(89 games, 341 AB's) .311/.409/.610/1.019 vs Twins(83 games, 317 AB's) .331/.401/.650/1.050 vs Athletics(114 games, 453 AB's) .274/.342/.528/.870 vs Mariners(60 games, 224 AB's) .286/.390/.603/.992 vs Rangers(51 games, 195 AB's) .318/.398/.508/.906 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
treble 0 Report post Posted February 17, 2004 vs Blue Jays(76 games, 304 AB's) .345/.410/.711/1.121 And he's going to play at SkyDome just as much as he is at Fenway, so this worries me a lot. He owns the Jays. The AL East is playing the NL West this season, but I'm not sure which team the Yankees will avoid in order to play their 2 series against the Mets. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanadianChris 0 Report post Posted February 17, 2004 vs Blue Jays(76 games, 304 AB's) .345/.410/.711/1.121 And he's going to play at SkyDome just as much as he is at Fenway, so this worries me a lot. He owns the Jays. They've turned over their pitching staff quite a bit from last year, though. Only two of last year's starters are returning (Halladay and Towers), and there are a few new relievers as well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HarleyQuinn 0 Report post Posted February 17, 2004 I can't get ever the fact that he does so poorly going up against the freaking DEVIL RAYS! Man...he does worse against them then he has against the Red Sox and Athletics who both have great pitching staffs. Only team he's done worse against is the White Sox. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob E Dangerously 0 Report post Posted February 17, 2004 Adjusting ARod's 2003 numbers from Arlington to the Bronx ARod loses 5 home runs, 14 hits, 17 runs, 3 doubles, 1 triple, 3 walks and 17 points off of his batting average. He adds one strikeout. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HarleyQuinn 0 Report post Posted February 17, 2004 Just curious, how'd you manage to figure that Rob? That'd give him 42 HR's, 167 Hits, 107 Runs, 27 Doubles, 5 Triples, 84 Walks and a .281 BA Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob E Dangerously 0 Report post Posted February 17, 2004 Using park factors from the 2003 Bill James Handbook. I adjusted Arlington to the average, and then adjusted to Yankee Stadium. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HarleyQuinn 0 Report post Posted February 17, 2004 Ah...cool Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
