Guest Ray Posted February 20, 2004 Report Posted February 20, 2004 Just like that "pretty good" Flair/Benoit match, right?
Guest Anglesault Posted February 20, 2004 Report Posted February 20, 2004 Well, no, I didn't like that match. The pretty good Flair/HBK match, or the pretty good Flair/HHH match, or Jericho at Summerslam. Not great, but pretty good.
Guest Ray Posted February 20, 2004 Report Posted February 20, 2004 Well, no, I didn't like that match. Since you didn't like it...then you obviously saw it...which means you should have seen Flair looking 900 years old and getting blown up doing chops. He's done. The pretty good Flair/HBK match, or the pretty good Flair/HHH match, or Jericho at Summerslam. Not great, but pretty good. It's been a while since those...and Flair is fading fast. I highly doubt Flair/Angle, in 2004, would be "pretty good."
Guest Anglesault Posted February 20, 2004 Report Posted February 20, 2004 Well, Angle/HBK is still better than anything on SD!.
Guest Ray Posted February 20, 2004 Report Posted February 20, 2004 Well, Angle/HBK is still better than anything on SD!. Yeah, because Shawn worked SO hard in his match with Benoit... Oh wait. -Ray, master of sarcasm.
Guest Anglesault Posted February 20, 2004 Report Posted February 20, 2004 The Kliq gets off on fucking Benoit. That's not news. I don't think Vince would let him pull it on his golden boy. Can you name something better on Smackdown?
Guest Ray Posted February 20, 2004 Report Posted February 20, 2004 The Kliq gets off on fucking Benoit. That's not news. I don't think Vince would let him pull it on his golden boy. Yeah, because we can all trust Vince. Yeah. Can you name something better on Smackdown? Lesnar/Guerrero.
Guest Ray Posted February 20, 2004 Report Posted February 20, 2004 Lesnar/Guerrero. For Angle Angle/Guerrero
Guest Anglesault Posted February 20, 2004 Report Posted February 20, 2004 Nah. Multi-Month angles where the heel chases the face and never wins suck.
Austin3164life Posted February 20, 2004 Report Posted February 20, 2004 The Angle/Cena feud was not as bad as it seemed, it's just that when Angle tried to be a thug, that's what sucked. They took away the elements that made these guys appealing and it became a clusterfuck, until their very good match saved it. The best Angle/Cena segment was in Toronto before Vengeance, where Cena came out and denounced Angle's comeback and claimed he was the main event, and Angle dissed him and then got right in his face "What are you gonna do Cena? Huh?". Great segment showcasing their strengths. That segment, and the one SD in Hartford where Cena ripped Angle in a rap, and Angle came right back at him, and then clotheslined him. They do have chemistry together, but they need the feud to be booked right.
Guest Anglesault Posted February 20, 2004 Report Posted February 20, 2004 The Angle/Cena feud was not as bad as it seemed, Oh, but it was.
Austin3164life Posted February 20, 2004 Report Posted February 20, 2004 I'm not apologizing for the over-the-top goofiness of the feud, but they did have some good chemistry, in and out of the ring. It was just badly booked. That segment in Hartford captured both men very well, and their personas (Cena as the punk heel who doesn't give a fuck, Angle as the stalwart veteran who upholds his beliefs).
Guest Ray Posted February 20, 2004 Report Posted February 20, 2004 Nah. Multi-Month angles where the heel chases the face and never wins suck. Who says the heel wouldn't win?
Guest Anglesault Posted February 20, 2004 Report Posted February 20, 2004 Nah. Multi-Month angles where the heel chases the face and never wins suck. Who says the heel wouldn't win? You want to take the belt off Guerrero so early?
Guest Ray Posted February 20, 2004 Report Posted February 20, 2004 Nah. Multi-Month angles where the heel chases the face and never wins suck. Who says the heel wouldn't win? You want to take the belt off Guerrero so early? No. But that doesn't mean the heel would never win during the feud.
Austin3164life Posted February 20, 2004 Report Posted February 20, 2004 From March until August isn't exactly a short amount of time. They don't have to have a direct feud, but always be on the lookout for each other. Then have it culminate, where Heel Angle defeats Eddie, using Eddie's own cheating methods. A five month reign for Eddy isn't really short at all.
Guest Anglesault Posted February 20, 2004 Report Posted February 20, 2004 Nah. Multi-Month angles where the heel chases the face and never wins suck. Who says the heel wouldn't win? You want to take the belt off Guerrero so early? No. But that doesn't mean the heel would never win during the feud. How do you win during a world title feud without winnng the title?
Austin3164life Posted February 20, 2004 Report Posted February 20, 2004 Well, the WWE better put some working hats on, because it won't be easy booking Smackdown after WM. Assuming Undertaker comes back, I'm thinking he feuds with Angle for some strange reason. Most likely, both guys will lose their match at WM, and will want to take it all out on someone (I'm assuming). Edge is coming back (and could be behind the backstage attacks), however the rumos of him jumping to Raw might be true, so what does Edge do if he doesnt? Feud with Cena for the U.S. Title? Not sure about that one. This is what the scene will look like Smackdown's Higher-ups: FACES- Eddy, Cena HEELS- Angle, Show, Brock Eddy retains the WWE Title, who does he feud with? Big Show? Cena wins the U.S. Title, who does he feud with? A returning Edge? If that's not possible, Angle (Angle's above Cena right about now though). Edge should stay a face, because they need at least one more main event face on SD.
Guest Loss Posted February 20, 2004 Report Posted February 20, 2004 How do you win during a world title feud without winnng the title? Tag matches, unsanctioned brawls, non-title matches ... there are several ways to keep a feud interesting and still have the babyface win all the matches that count. The best part is that the heel doesn't even have to die in the meantime. Austin/Rock and Austin/Bret both went on for quite a while without Rock getting the win in the first case or Austin getting the win in the second case. It can happen. There is more to wrestling than winning and losing. Great matches elevate wrestlers.
Guest Anglesault Posted February 20, 2004 Report Posted February 20, 2004 How do you win during a world title feud without winnng the title? Tag matches, unsanctioned brawls, non-title matches ... there are several ways to keep a feud interesting and still have the babyface win all the matches that count. Not in my opinion. Say, just for the sake of naming an example, the Eddie/Angle feud blows off at vengeance. That's around FOUR months of Angle continuously chasing Eddie for one reason. Not to beat him in tag matches or unsanctioned brawls or what have you. He's trying to win the WWE title. In that period of time, he'll have at the very least, two PPV title shots (Vengeance and Mania) with a possible third (J-Day) and God knows how many SD! shots. If he comes out of that feud with ALL those opportunities empty handed, he looks like the biggest loser.
Austin3164life Posted February 20, 2004 Report Posted February 20, 2004 Until he gets a final shot at Summerslam (after their feud cools off), and then Angle finally dethrones Eddy for the Smackdown crown. Take away a Judgement Day title shot (or a Smackdown shot), and put in the big money match at Summerslam where Kurt finally wins. To keep their feud fresh and not have it as constant, have Kurt in a #1 contendership feud with someone like Edge, for example.
Guest Goodear Posted February 20, 2004 Report Posted February 20, 2004 Honestly, I think Angle is winning the belt at Mania, and Eddy will start his legitimate chase that everyone bitched for a few days ago. Clearly, Eddy is money, and the win over Brock cements him as a main eventer, it's now time to make the fans die to see Eddy get the belt back in a long chase. No NO NOOOOOOOOOO! God I am so freaking sick of watching 'the chase'. Thats been like every major feud in the WWE for the last... forever. I want a feel good, face champion holds off his challengers for 8 months and beats the bad guys convincingly for that whole period. Seriously, when was the last time you had a underdog fight the odds champion that people could route for? Mankind? Please, let us have a few happy endings for a while and leave the chase to the heels for a while.
Austin3164life Posted February 20, 2004 Report Posted February 20, 2004 So who becomes the next major World Champion after Eddy (assuming he has a long, substantial World Title reign)?
Guest Anglesault Posted February 20, 2004 Report Posted February 20, 2004 God I am so freaking sick of watching 'the chase'. Thats been like every major feud in the WWE for the last... forever. I want a feel good, face champion holds off his challengers for 8 months and beats the bad guys convincingly for that whole period. Seriously, when was the last time you had a underdog fight the odds champion that people could route for? Mankind? Please, let us have a few happy endings for a while and leave the chase to the heels for a while. Like HBK in 96?
Austin3164life Posted February 20, 2004 Report Posted February 20, 2004 God I am so freaking sick of watching 'the chase'. Thats been like every major feud in the WWE for the last... forever. I want a feel good, face champion holds off his challengers for 8 months and beats the bad guys convincingly for that whole period. Seriously, when was the last time you had a underdog fight the odds champion that people could route for? Mankind? Please, let us have a few happy endings for a while and leave the chase to the heels for a while. Like HBK in 96? Precisely, save for the fact that towards the end of Shawn's run, he was getting a lot of heel heat, especially at MSG.
Guest Goodear Posted February 20, 2004 Report Posted February 20, 2004 Or Hogan in the 80s? Or Austin in the 90s? Did those manage to make any money?
Austin3164life Posted February 20, 2004 Report Posted February 20, 2004 Ironically, Austin's 6 month reign in 1998 (not counting the one day hiccup from Kane) was the last substantially long title run for a LONG time.
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