JoeDirt 0 Report post Posted February 20, 2004 Off Cawthon's awesome site: The Mountie pinned WWF IC Champion Bret Hart to win the title by reversing an inside cradle; after the bout, Roddy Piper made the save after the Mountie repeatedly hit Hart with the title belt; the kayfabed reason for Hart's title loss was a high fever, but it actually came about due to contract negotiations. Can you elaborate exactly what the situation was? Thanks! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest wayzing Report post Posted February 20, 2004 I'm sure we'll get a bigger picture in this thread but from what I've heard, S:t Hitman Hart considered jumping to WCW with the IC belt. Every now and then this is brought up in the Montreal debate as proof that Vince couldn't be sure if Bret was going to let go of the title if he was allowed to retain at Survivor Series. I just see it as an unconfirmed rumour but it's tempting to jump on it, isn't it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes Report post Posted February 20, 2004 I'm sure we'll get a bigger picture in this thread but from what I've heard, S:t Hitman Hart considered jumping to WCW with the IC belt. Every now and then this is brought up in the Montreal debate as proof that Vince couldn't be sure if Bret was going to let go of the title if he was allowed to retain at Survivor Series. I just see it as an unconfirmed rumour but it's tempting to jump on it, isn't it Bret was negotiating a new contract so WWF wasn't sure if he'd skip out on them with so little time left on his original one, so they thought best to take it off him until WM VIII. Ditto HBK in 1993. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeDirt 0 Report post Posted February 20, 2004 Was this the same reason that LOD dropped the tag titles around the same time to Money Inc? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes Report post Posted February 21, 2004 Was this the same reason that LOD dropped the tag titles around the same time to Money Inc? They were under contract until Fall 1992. So No. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeDirt 0 Report post Posted February 21, 2004 Was this the same reason that LOD dropped the tag titles around the same time to Money Inc? They were under contract until Fall 1992. So No. So then why did they drop the tag team titles then instead of just doing it at Wrestlemania? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes Report post Posted February 21, 2004 Was this the same reason that LOD dropped the tag titles around the same time to Money Inc? They were under contract until Fall 1992. So No. So then why did they drop the tag team titles then instead of just doing it at Wrestlemania? Easy answer: Vince McMahon didn't always agree with LOD (read their shoot interview from way back) and didn't think highly of them since they weren't "his". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Report post Posted February 21, 2004 As a reason to turn the Natural Disasters face and also as a reason to bring Paul Ellering into the picture. You wouldn't have a new manager unless something is wrong, right? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Astro Report post Posted February 21, 2004 The Original WWF Magazine WM 8 Line up included LOD vs Money Inc in a street fight + Hacksaw/Sarge vs Natural Disasters I should dig that up to see if their were any other changes Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest DR PHIL Report post Posted February 21, 2004 Did bret actually own the IC belt ala flair in wcw 91? I can't understand how he could physically take off with the belt if he didn't own it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes Report post Posted February 21, 2004 Did bret actually own the IC belt ala flair in wcw 91? I can't understand how he could physically take off with the belt if he didn't own it. WWE trusted people when they were champions to keep the title in their posession. So Bret could easily jump to WCW and toss it in the trash. See also: Alundra Blayze/Madusa from 1995. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest wildpegasus Report post Posted February 21, 2004 Did bret actually own the IC belt ala flair in wcw 91? I can't understand how he could physically take off with the belt if he didn't own it. WWE trusted people when they were champions to keep the title in their posession. So Bret could easily jump to WCW and toss it in the trash. See also: Alundra Blayze/Madusa from 1995. Not the same thing as the Alundra incident. I know it was impossable for Bret to take the WWF heavy title to WCW because of legal stuff. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes Report post Posted February 21, 2004 Did bret actually own the IC belt ala flair in wcw 91? I can't understand how he could physically take off with the belt if he didn't own it. WWE trusted people when they were champions to keep the title in their posession. So Bret could easily jump to WCW and toss it in the trash. See also: Alundra Blayze/Madusa from 1995. Not the same thing as the Alundra incident. I know it was impossable for Bret to take the WWF heavy title to WCW because of legal stuff. Now the HTM 88 situation pops up. He WAS going to show up on NWA TV with the IC Title if he was booked to job to Savage. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cawthon777 0 Report post Posted February 21, 2004 Here's the thing. In Flair's case, as well as many many others, he put up a large amount of his own money as a deposit on the championship belt. So until he lost it, I guess you could argue it was technically his. I know for a fact Bret has a number of WWF title belts framed and hanging in his home. The same is true for Hogan and I'm sure countless others. So I don't understand the issue about being afraid to have a champion jump with the belt (it couldn't be stopped) - unless of course the company is afraid of having no IC title, world title, etc to show on TV. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
