Brett Favre 0 Report post Posted March 9, 2004 no one even know who the fuck HHH is. I'm talking about people who don't watch wrestling (like my parents), but they can definately point out The Rock. HHH over Rock? ..even Stephanie would disagree. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Deebo Report post Posted March 9, 2004 Fuck all this shit about Benoit NEEDING to win the title at Wrestlemania. That is just dumb. This is a match that probably won't be the Main Event and will probably be forgot about in a few years no matter who wins. It would be much more special for him to win in Canada. I don't care what anyone says, Eddie Guerrero's title win at the shitty little Cow Palace was much better than ANY Wrestlemania title win for him would have been. It doesn't matter what the event is, it's all about the emotion of the moment and the crowd reaction. And I guarentee it would be much more special for Benoit to win it at Backlash. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kahran Ramsus 0 Report post Posted March 9, 2004 HBK & HHH > Bret & Savage & Rocky? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tawren 0 Report post Posted March 9, 2004 Fuck all this shit about Benoit NEEDING to win the title at Wrestlemania. That is just dumb. This is a match that probably won't be the Main Event and will probably be forgot about in a few years no matter who wins. It would be much more special for him to win in Canada. I don't care what anyone says, Eddie Guerrero's title win at the shitty little Cow Palace was much better than ANY Wrestlemania title win for him would have been. It doesn't matter what the event is, it's all about the emotion of the moment and the crowd reaction. And I guarentee it would be much more special for Benoit to win it at Backlash. Yeah, who the hell wants logic and correct payoffs? In fact, HHH should beat Benoit at Backlash! Benoit's heat will be gone after losing at WMXX, nobody wants a heatless champ! HHH should beat Benoit at Backlash then feud with HBK again. But who wants HBK as champ? Come on, one more year of HHH, when he loses at WMXXI, then we'll have a good payoff! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Deebo Report post Posted March 9, 2004 Fuck all this shit about Benoit NEEDING to win the title at Wrestlemania. That is just dumb. This is a match that probably won't be the Main Event and will probably be forgot about in a few years no matter who wins. It would be much more special for him to win in Canada. I don't care what anyone says, Eddie Guerrero's title win at the shitty little Cow Palace was much better than ANY Wrestlemania title win for him would have been. It doesn't matter what the event is, it's all about the emotion of the moment and the crowd reaction. And I guarentee it would be much more special for Benoit to win it at Backlash. Yeah, who the hell wants logic and correct payoffs? In fact, HHH should beat Benoit at Backlash! Benoit's heat will be gone after losing at WMXX, nobody wants a heatless champ! HHH should beat Benoit at Backlash then feud with HBK again. But who wants HBK as champ? Come on, one more year of HHH, when he loses at WMXXI, then we'll have a good payoff! Well someone on here suggested it would be worth it for Benoit to job the title back to HHH at Backlash just if he could win it at 'Mania. Does that make sense? Hell no that is fucking retarded. Nobody is going to look at it as "Benoit losing", HHH is going to pin HBK, and probably after something like..Benoit hits the headbutt, then rolls off to the side in pain, then HHH makes a cheap cover and pins HBK. Benoit doesn't lose anything from that, despite what some of you paranoid people would like to think. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted March 9, 2004 Fuck all this shit about Benoit NEEDING to win the title at Wrestlemania. That is just dumb. Sure, building a guy up as the Mania challenger for five months and then jobbing him out is smart. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brett Favre 0 Report post Posted March 9, 2004 Fuck all this shit about Benoit NEEDING to win the title at Wrestlemania. That is just dumb. Sure, building a guy up as the Mania challenger for five months and then jobbing him out is smart. Vince McMahon: Finally, someone who gets me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted March 9, 2004 Benoit doesn't lose anything from that, despite what some of you paranoid people would like to think. No, it will just be the SIXTH time he blew a major title shot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zetterberg is God 0 Report post Posted March 9, 2004 To me, this is a great build-up to the three way. I can't honestly remember the last time there was this much discussion on who could/should win a WM main event match because every year before, it was so predictable. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest PowerPB13 Report post Posted March 9, 2004 You know...just do like I'm going to do: Don't waste your money on this pay-per-view. Why bother when there's absolutely nothing they could book that could possibly be "satisfactory"? -Patrick Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Deebo Report post Posted March 9, 2004 Benoit doesn't lose anything from that, despite what some of you paranoid people would like to think. No, it will just be the SIXTH time he blew a major title shot. How? When they do the angle, which they are certainly going to do, about Benoit not actually getting pinned at Wrestlemania, how does that make him look weak? The only people who it makes him look weak to are cynical fucks like you who had it set in your minds from day one that Benoit had to go over HHH and HBK every week and then pin them at WM and Backlash in succession for Vince to REALLY be pushing him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tawren 0 Report post Posted March 9, 2004 Benoit doesn't lose anything from that, despite what some of you paranoid people would like to think. No, it will just be the SIXTH time he blew a major title shot. How? When they do the angle, which they are certainly going to do, about Benoit not actually getting pinned at Wrestlemania, how does that make him look weak? The only people who it makes him look weak to are cynical fucks like you who had it set in your minds from day one that Benoit had to go over HHH and HBK every week and then pin them at WM and Backlash in succession for Vince to REALLY be pushing him. I'm going to bump this post after Benoit loses at Backlash. You're wrong. It's not cynical to be right. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Deebo Report post Posted March 9, 2004 Benoit doesn't lose anything from that, despite what some of you paranoid people would like to think. No, it will just be the SIXTH time he blew a major title shot. How? When they do the angle, which they are certainly going to do, about Benoit not actually getting pinned at Wrestlemania, how does that make him look weak? The only people who it makes him look weak to are cynical fucks like you who had it set in your minds from day one that Benoit had to go over HHH and HBK every week and then pin them at WM and Backlash in succession for Vince to REALLY be pushing him. I'm going to bump this post after Benoit loses at Backlash. You're wrong. It's not cynical to be right. I look forward to it. I'll be bumping it after he wins, however. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tawren 0 Report post Posted March 9, 2004 Benoit doesn't lose anything from that, despite what some of you paranoid people would like to think. No, it will just be the SIXTH time he blew a major title shot. How? When they do the angle, which they are certainly going to do, about Benoit not actually getting pinned at Wrestlemania, how does that make him look weak? The only people who it makes him look weak to are cynical fucks like you who had it set in your minds from day one that Benoit had to go over HHH and HBK every week and then pin them at WM and Backlash in succession for Vince to REALLY be pushing him. I'm going to bump this post after Benoit loses at Backlash. You're wrong. It's not cynical to be right. I look forward to it. I'll be bumping it after he wins, however. Just like RVD won? How about Kane? How about Steiner? How about Booker? How about Nash? How about Goldberg? Even Micheals? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted March 9, 2004 Benoit doesn't lose anything from that, despite what some of you paranoid people would like to think. No, it will just be the SIXTH time he blew a major title shot. How? When they do the angle, which they are certainly going to do, about Benoit not actually getting pinned at Wrestlemania, how does that make him look weak? He blew it. Again. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Deebo Report post Posted March 9, 2004 Benoit doesn't lose anything from that, despite what some of you paranoid people would like to think. No, it will just be the SIXTH time he blew a major title shot. How? When they do the angle, which they are certainly going to do, about Benoit not actually getting pinned at Wrestlemania, how does that make him look weak? The only people who it makes him look weak to are cynical fucks like you who had it set in your minds from day one that Benoit had to go over HHH and HBK every week and then pin them at WM and Backlash in succession for Vince to REALLY be pushing him. I'm going to bump this post after Benoit loses at Backlash. You're wrong. It's not cynical to be right. I look forward to it. I'll be bumping it after he wins, however. Just like RVD won? How about Kane? How about Steiner? How about Booker? How about Nash? How about Goldberg? Even Micheals? Goldberg and Michaels won the title, and there was never any reports saying those other guys were going to win the title. They were just challengers for the belt. He blew it. Again. Nobody is going to say "Triple H pinned Shawn Michaels..well, Chris Benoit blew it again" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Enigma 0 Report post Posted March 9, 2004 I don't understand how HHH pinning HBK hurts Benoit at all, but whatever. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Brian Report post Posted March 9, 2004 Benoit's quest was to pin HHH at WrestleMania. That's why he left SmackDown. The sacrifice. The glory. And normally I'd agree, that one can sacrifice a shitty, inadvertant loss in a forgettable match in the middle of the card, even on Mania, for the win at the right time in the right place. But they've built up to this. If he doesn't win he's going to llok real bad. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted March 9, 2004 Benoit doesn't lose anything from that, despite what some of you paranoid people would like to think. No, it will just be the SIXTH time he blew a major title shot. How? When they do the angle, which they are certainly going to do, about Benoit not actually getting pinned at Wrestlemania, how does that make him look weak? The only people who it makes him look weak to are cynical fucks like you who had it set in your minds from day one that Benoit had to go over HHH and HBK every week and then pin them at WM and Backlash in succession for Vince to REALLY be pushing him. I'm going to bump this post after Benoit loses at Backlash. You're wrong. It's not cynical to be right. I look forward to it. I'll be bumping it after he wins, however. Just like RVD won? How about Kane? How about Steiner? How about Booker? How about Nash? How about Goldberg? Even Micheals? and there was never any reports saying those other guys were going to win the title. They were just challengers for the belt. Nash absolutely did, as did Steiner. Nobody is going to say "Triple H pinned Shawn Michaels..well, Chris Benoit blew it again" He's walking away from his sixth major title shot once again, titleless. People aren't gonna notice that? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Deebo Report post Posted March 9, 2004 No, because nobody looks at the situation as vague as you seem to be doing. For you it's either..."Well if he walks out with the title, it's fine, if he doesn't he blew it, no matter what the circumstances are surrounding it". Most everyone else who is watching RAW the next night is going to see it planted into their heads that Benoit never got pinned. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Brian Report post Posted March 9, 2004 But most everyone tuning into RAW sees WrestleMania as Benoit's quest, not BackLash. His goal was to win there. That's why he won the rumble, that's why he jumped. It's the story of his career. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Deebo Report post Posted March 9, 2004 He didn't jump to RAW at Wrestlemania, he jumped to RAW to win the World Heavyweight Title and beat Triple H, who they hyped as "The Best". That makes no fucking sense.. what, is RAW the only place where you can challenge for the title at Wrestlemania? He couldn't have wrestled at Wrestlemania if he stayed on SD? It was about the World Heavyweight Title and Triple H. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted March 9, 2004 No, because nobody looks at the situation as vague as you seem to be doing. For you it's either..."Well if he walks out with the title, it's fine, if he doesn't he blew it, no matter what the circumstances are surrounding it". That's the way the kayfabed wrestlers look at it. You ever see someone go "Well, I didn't win the belt, but I didn't get pinned! Go me!" Most everyone else who is watching RAW the next night is going to see it planted into their heads that Benoit never got pinned. So, where is Benoit when HHH is pinning Shawn? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Brian Report post Posted March 9, 2004 And he couldn't beat him on the biggest stage. Let's face it, Benoit doesn't want to beat him on a third rate PPV. That's why his quest was to win the rumble. He wanted to win at WrestleMania. Benoit's been playing up to winning this at WrestleMania. Like I said, this story they've got set up for him is about his career, pain and sacrifice. And he's going after the best at WrestleMania, the big stage and the big match. That World title, at WrestleMania is the culmination of his career. And Triple H and Evolution have tried to keep him away from it. Michaels did. SmackDown was keeping him away from it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EdwardKnoxII 0 Report post Posted March 9, 2004 Just like RVD won? How about Kane? How about Steiner? How about Booker? How about Nash? How about Goldberg? Even Micheals? and there was never any reports saying those other guys were going to win the title. They were just challengers for the belt. There was reports that Booker was going to win the title at WM19 but, SOMEBODY lobbied to have it changed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lil' Bitch 0 Report post Posted March 9, 2004 At this point there are no plans for Jeff Hardy to return This made my night. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Ghost of bps21 0 Report post Posted March 9, 2004 Well...I was wrong. The apologists came out a week before Mania instead of waiting until after. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RavishingRickRudo 0 Report post Posted March 9, 2004 I wish I knew what it felt like to be wrong. Because being right sucks so much ass in this instance. Could Benoit have any less momentum going into WM? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Goodear Report post Posted March 9, 2004 I really don't think he could. Benoit has been exposed on the microphone about seventeen different ways and its really not even the bookers' fault since they have to try to promote a match with people that won't or can't work every week. Think about it, in the same timeframe that Benoit has faced Batista, Mark Henry, Matt Hardy, Flair and Michaels all Triple H has done is squash Spike Dudley. Yet I'm still left with the impression that Hunter is the favorite because every time he and Benoit come face-to-face, Triple H 'wins' either because he can talk much more effectively or because he's running in at the end of one of Chris' matches. But by the same token, it doesn't seem like Benoit is getting any heat despite beating half of the RAW roster in the last two months by submission. So I'm basically troubled on every level regarding the Triple Threat. This talk about winning the strap in Canada is especially troubling since... well... because venue really shouldn't matter that much that it effects major booking plans. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RavishingRickRudo 0 Report post Posted March 9, 2004 They haven't given a single reason for fans to cheer Benoit. The only thing they've been saying is "he's wrestled for a long time and hasn't won 'the big one'" (as if people like cheering a loser) and they haven't followed that up with footage of him wrestling for a long time; they haven't put it in perspective. He's been wrestling longer than the Undertaker, you know? He has held titles in ECW, WCW, and the WWE. He was a 4 horsemen. He had Jesse Ventura predicting great things for him more than a decade ago (vs. Scott Armstrong). He has come close to winning the title on multiple occasions and has actually held the title in his hands before. He left WCW and threw away a guarantee at being their top dog because he wanted a chance at being the top dog in the WWE. HOW many things have I listed here? HOW many of these things have been brought up? How can the fans get behind him if they don't know what he has been through? Oh yeah, and he's "The best Technical wrestler in the WWE"; oh, those mat classics against Mark Henry, Ric Flair, Matt Hardy, Batista, and Shawn Michaels. Why, they'll sing poems and hymns about them. The only thing the fans respond well to is the crossface and that hasn't really made them jump out of their seats when Benoit comes out. God, the crowds response to Benoit has been horrid; and why shouldn't it be? He hasn't been positioned as anything but a whining loser since RR. Right now it's not positioned as "Benoit winning the title", it's being positioned as "HHH could lose; HBK and Benoit have to coexist"; Benoit has shown NO power in this feud. No control. He is the weakest of the 3 and he has been punked out by the other two on multiple occasions. It also doesn't help that the announcers treat him like shit either. It really doesn't help that not only is this match not the top match at Mania, it's not even the top match of RAW. Foley/Rock is clearly ahead of it, as is Goldberg/Brock/Austin. Hell, this is right around Jericho/Christian levels. Anyone who says that this feud is good is a fucking moron. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
