Rob van dam

[Guest]

I'm not trying to deny Benoit's mad crazy high flying skills, but I don't know if anybody can keep up with RVD's spots, it's all he does after all.

 

My favorite RVD promo: RVD, tv champion and tag champs with Sabu, is talking about Sabu's match for the ECW and FTW title with Taz. RVD says "of course, Sabu will beat Taz. The only question is, how will RVD carry his partner and all 5 titles at the same time?"

 

I think RVD is in a good spot with the IC title. I know us ECW fanboys are getting all weapy about the TV title run, but he really can add some importance to a title that was fought over by Goldust and Godfather a few years ago. In a few years, Jericho, Angle, and Benoit will move up to the top spots, and RVD will probably go with them. If you look at the main event right now, it looks like in 3 years HHH will be the only guy still up there. I'm sure Test and Stephanie will join him.

 

Rock will show up every few months, and Austin, Taker, and Hogan will be gone. We can only hope that Bradshaw and Pac are either fired or killed by angry mobs at that point.

 

Of course, let's also remember that in 3 years, RVD might be living in Japan. ???

[Guest Kahran Ramsus]

1)  I don't think RVD has a problem with this.  I mean, hell... some of his promos on ECW on TNN were "serious" and progressed the storyline.  The thing is... RVD's *character* really doesn't call for such a thing.  RVD is suppose to be a laid-back ass-kicking guy who's always "cool".  He's job isn't to talk.. it's to win.  That's why I say RVD needs someone like Heyman or Alfonso to be in his corner, although he's doing damned good by himself right now.

 

2) That is something I can agree on.  They should've put the title on him when it was Benoit w/ Shane against the Rock, IMHO.  Though, I don't know if his neck was bothering him then or not...

 

3) This is other thing that I can agree on, but if the WWF keeps building up RVD like they are... showing him stuff, improving his style, RVD could easily show how ready he was for the main event.

 

4)  Brock Lesnar... is well Brock.  It really boils down to how the WWF builds up Brock and how long RVD has held the title.  Maybe when the WWF is ABOUT to elevate RVD to the main-event then he could lose to someone like Brock Lesnar.  

 

5) No one knows why he didn't sign the contract extension--not enough money... not a gurateeded title shot/reign.. whatever.  This could leave an ill taste in Vince's mouth and effect RVD's "push"...

 

6)  Yes, there are a shitload of faces.  But, let's face it... who's really MORE over than RVD?  I'd say Rock (BARELY), Austin, and Hogan.  RVD is more over than some of the "top" WWF faces.  Let's analyze... Rock:  He's more over than RVD in.. what?  Promos.  Entrances.  Generally, right?  But everytime there was a RVD/Rocky match I thought the chants for each were about even.

 

Sorry... that rant didn't have anything to do with RVD's main-eventing anytime soon or not.  That was just a huge RVD-mark maturly posting to a RVD-hater.  

 

1)  I agree that RVD needs a manager.  Benoit isn't a good talker either, but he brings a certain intensity that works for him.  With RVD I get the sense that he isn't really focused enough to ever win the WWF Title.

 

2) I don't think his neck was hurt then, but the WWF made the decision to put it on Angle instead.

 

3)  Yes, I agree with this.

 

4)  It doesn't have to be Brock, and it doesn't have to be clean.  But trust me, if RVD just throws the belt away it will kill the IC Title.  He has to job it to someone.

 

5)  RVD could be right.  Just because Vince has a monopoly doesn't mean he has the right to screw the wrestlers.  However, in the WWF environment Vince is ALWAYS right.

 

6)  This isn't about overness.  If it was, then HHH would not be champ.  These guys are viewed as the top guys in the WWF.  There is no way that RVD will ever knock off Austin, Taker, Rock or HHH.  Vince won't allow it.  For RVD to move up, someone has to leave.  Benoit seems to have the next spot waiting for him, that means for RVD to move up, two of the above guys would either have be injured, leave the WWF, or turn heel.

 

I'm trying to be as impartial as I can.  All of my points, other than the first, are based on something other than my opinion.  I would admit if RVD was moving up, even if I don't like him, but I just don't see it happening.  Two to three years is about when I think the WWF would be prepared to make him a permanent main eventer.  That is around the time his contract runs out.  If he doesn't resign, I just cannot see a main event push happening.

[Guest]

Of course, let's also remember that in 3 years, RVD might be living in Japan. ???

Huh?

 

RVD will be a main eventer in due time. They dont want to over-expose him with a quick mai nevent push. He will probably have the Interciontinental Title for a while and then move up to the mains.

[Guest]

Rob Van Dam? BIG F'N DEAL!

 

SERIOUSLY, what is so damn good about RVD? So what, he can pull off a few high flying moves here and there but when you look at guys WHO ACTUALLY main event the PPV's, i.e Angle, Austin, Rock, Taker, they all have become stars by either a VERY successful gimmick (Taker) or by killer TALENT (Talent doesn't = high flying moves people). When it comes down to it, RVD relies on high flying moves to win over crowds...and with high flying moves, comes high risks...

 

Therefore RVD will NEVER be the WWF Champion BECAUSE...

 

A) I'm sure Vince doesn't like guys such as RVD in main events who are potentially dangerous - just ask the numerous wrestlers who have suffered concussions due to Van Dam's kicks.

 

B) Check out his size and then compare it to Angle, Taker & Rock.

 

C) Give Van Dam a mic...and marvel at his mic skills (i believe this has been covered)

 

D) He is accustomed to ONE style and ONE style alone, where as MAIN EVENTER's headline PPV's for a reason...they can, in most cases, adapt their style to bring out the best in a match.

 

I'm sorry Rob...but get used to the IC Division buddy.

 

This has been the Taker Mark...who can do two things at once

[Guest]

I hope not, RVD blows.  He gets his ass licked by all you internet fan boys because he does flips and shit.  I never see him do one wrestling hold at all.  He is just a glorified spot machine, and just as everyone used to suck jeff hardys dick eventuall the new spot guy will come and take RVD's place.  He fit in well in ecw becaus ethe time he came into his own late 97 early 98 ecw was not really wrestling anymore and because a huge spot machine.  If he does infact get a world title run it will be a real shame considering how many toher people I can see holding it before him that won;t get a shot either.

 

--Rob

[Guest Cataclysm911]

I hope not, RVD blows.  He gets his ass licked by all you internet fan boys because he does flips and shit.  I never see him do one wrestling hold at all.  He is just a glorified spot machine, and just as everyone used to suck jeff hardys dick eventuall the new spot guy will come and take RVD's place.  He fit in well in ecw becaus ethe time he came into his own late 97 early 98 ecw was not really wrestling anymore and because a huge spot machine.  If he does infact get a world title run it will be a real shame considering how many toher people I can see holding it before him that won;t get a shot either.

 

--Rob

He does an inverted mexican surfboard all the time. There is at least one hold. Good thing you don't watch his matches. He also did a figure four leg lock on an episode of RAW, so maybe you just don't want to see it. Everyone in the WWF just uses certain spots, it's not like they get ring time.

[Guest]

He does an inverted mexican surfboard all the time. There is at least one hold. Good thing you don't watch his matches. He also did a figure four leg lock on an episode of RAW, so maybe you just don't want to see it. Everyone in the WWF just uses certain spots, it's not like they get ring time.

HE CAN DO A FIGURE FOUR??? GIVE THE MAN A PUSH!!!!!

[Guest Cataclysm911]

He does an inverted mexican surfboard all the time. There is at least one hold. Good thing you don't watch his matches. He also did a figure four leg lock on an episode of RAW, so maybe you just don't want to see it. Everyone in the WWF just uses certain spots, it's not like they get ring time.

HE CAN DO A FIGURE FOUR??? GIVE THE MAN A PUSH!!!!!

Rikishi can't do a figure four, and he got a push. The Big Show can't do a figure four and he is former world champion.

 

It was just an example anyway. There is nothing wrong with RVD.

[Guest]

He does an inverted mexican surfboard all the time. There is at least one hold. Good thing you don't watch his matches. He also did a figure four leg lock on an episode of RAW, so maybe you just don't want to see it. Everyone in the WWF just uses certain spots, it's not like they get ring time.

HE CAN DO A FIGURE FOUR??? GIVE THE MAN A PUSH!!!!!

Rikishi can't do a figure four, and he got a push. The Big Show can't do a figure four and he is former world champion.

 

It was just an example anyway. There is nothing wrong with RVD.

Tell me what happend to Rikishi and The Big Show?

 

And YES that is a rhetorical question.

 

This has been the Taker Mark...Gone Mark Slashin'

 

P.S I never said there was anything WRONG with RVD, i simply claimed he didnt have what it takes to become a World Champion...SAD BUT TRUE Brother.

[Guest Cataclysm911]

He does an inverted mexican surfboard all the time. There is at least one hold. Good thing you don't watch his matches. He also did a figure four leg lock on an episode of RAW, so maybe you just don't want to see it. Everyone in the WWF just uses certain spots, it's not like they get ring time.

HE CAN DO A FIGURE FOUR??? GIVE THE MAN A PUSH!!!!!

Rikishi can't do a figure four, and he got a push. The Big Show can't do a figure four and he is former world champion.

 

It was just an example anyway. There is nothing wrong with RVD.

Tell me what happend to Rikishi and The Big Show?

 

And YES that is a rhetorical question.

 

This has been the Taker Mark...Gone Mark Slashin'

 

P.S I never said there was anything WRONG with RVD, i simply claimed he didnt have what it takes to become a World Champion...SAD BUT TRUE Brother.

Of course, this is all taken with a grain of salt, seeing as you're an Undertaker mark. Then again, I'm a Corino mark, so..

[Guest]

He does an inverted mexican surfboard all the time. There is at least one hold. Good thing you don't watch his matches. He also did a figure four leg lock on an episode of RAW, so maybe you just don't want to see it. Everyone in the WWF just uses certain spots, it's not like they get ring time.

HE CAN DO A FIGURE FOUR??? GIVE THE MAN A PUSH!!!!!

Rikishi can't do a figure four, and he got a push. The Big Show can't do a figure four and he is former world champion.

 

It was just an example anyway. There is nothing wrong with RVD.

Tell me what happend to Rikishi and The Big Show?

 

And YES that is a rhetorical question.

 

This has been the Taker Mark...Gone Mark Slashin'

 

P.S I never said there was anything WRONG with RVD, i simply claimed he didnt have what it takes to become a World Champion...SAD BUT TRUE Brother.

Of course, this is all taken with a grain of salt, seeing as you're an Undertaker mark. Then again, I'm a Corino mark, so..

How does being a fan of the Undertaker change anything? How does it affect the fact WE ARE TALKING ABOUT what makes a main eventer? Anyone can basically speak out on what makes or breaks a headliner, fan of the Taker or not.

 

This has been the Taker Mark...who doesn't understand some people's logic.

[Guest Flyboy]

I hope not, RVD blows.  He gets his ass licked by all you internet fan boys because he does flips and shit.  I never see him do one wrestling hold at all.  He is just a glorified spot machine, and just as everyone used to suck jeff hardys dick eventuall the new spot guy will come and take RVD's place.  He fit in well in ecw becaus ethe time he came into his own late 97 early 98 ecw was not really wrestling anymore and because a huge spot machine.  If he does infact get a world title run it will be a real shame considering how many toher people I can see holding it before him that won;t get a shot either.

 

--Rob

Since I'm a huge RVD-mark I'm not going to even try to rant on this one...

[Guest Mystery Eskimo]

How does being a fan of the Undertaker change anything? How does it affect the fact WE ARE TALKING ABOUT what makes a main eventer? Anyone can basically speak out on what makes or breaks a headliner, fan of the Taker or not.

Well, you shove the UT so far down our throats in every post you make, you have to expect people to comment on him.

 

As for RVD, I don't know how anyone can say he dosn't have good mic skills. And all this "he dosn't know any moves" is a load of crap too. Are you talking about great moves such as punching and kicking and a body slam which is what most of the roster is limited to?

[Guest]

You shove the UT so far down our throats in every post you make, you have to expect people to comment on him.

Excuse me? Do i sit here and type in every post YOU MUST LIKE THE UNDERTAKER! YOU MUST PRAISE HIS EVERY MOVE!?

 

I HARDLY think so, i embrace a wrestler who gave me my passion for wrestling...there is nothing wrong with that and that still does not answer my question how being a fan of the Taker, or any other wrestler for that matter, makes a difference when commenting on the main event qualities of wrestlers.

 

Oh well...why bother.

 

This has been the Taker Mark...standing by the Deadman

[Guest Mystery Eskimo]

Excuse me? Do i sit here and type in every post YOU MUST LIKE THE UNDERTAKER! YOU MUST PRAISE HIS EVERY MOVE!?

No, but you have a really big picture of him

 

I wasn't being particularly serious. Don't take it personally

[Guest]

Excuse me? Do i sit here and type in every post YOU MUST LIKE THE UNDERTAKER! YOU MUST PRAISE HIS EVERY MOVE!?

No, but you have a really big picture of him

 

I wasn't being particularly serious. Don't take it personally

.....'Spose i could ditch the mega ultra super large pic of Mean Mark and replace it with a mega ultra one...makes sense to me!

 

This has been the Taker Mark...for no particular reason

[Guest Ripper]

You say Rob doesn't have what it takes to be a Main eventer, huh...Lets see, he can carry a old, over the hill guy that hadn't had a good match in over year to a pretty good Hardcore match...He can pop crowd and sell more merchandise than that individual...he can go for longer, has a bigger offensive moveset, people would actually tune in to see him... Has talent coming out the wazzu....has been wrestling for over 10 years...Yeah, thats not Main event material at all.  

 

BTW, could you, um name all the wrestlers that have gotten concussions from Robs kicks.  If we went out and asked them all, I think it would be pretty quick seeing that we would only have to ask Test...  JEEEbus look at all the people.  This guy should be destroyed...

 

Non Taker mark...remembering Taker rupturing Rikishi's eardrum, and busting Austin open hard way by dropping a chair on him...but a concussion to Test who worked the next day is HORRIBLE.

[Guest Brian]

I don't know what it's going to take for people to realize Undertaker's been working his ass off for the last six months or so. Undertaker pre-Backlash 2001 was a feat. Undertaker right now is decent, and he got a decent match out of him. Nothing special.

 

We could use that criteria for a ton of guys given the right push or gimmick, who are all much more talented and marketable than RVD (maybe not the latter as much, but it'll be easier to put over with at least decent mic skills).

[Guest Coffin Surfer]

RVD doesn't need to be in the crowded Main Event.  Sure he is over but you don't want to rush him into the ME scene, cause wants he's there, what now?  He'll be just like Angle(despite his incredable potential I think his ME push was to rushed), go from a World Champion to pointless midcard fueds with Kane and Edge.  

 

Guys like Rude, Warrior, Perfect, Steamboat, and Savage were ME level over as IC champions.  They did just fine at the IC level for about year, and gave the title high credability that it lacked today.  Though the WWF did fail to ME push Steamboat, Perfect and Rude. The point is give RVD a year or two at the IC level before blowing their wad and making him the champion.  

 

As far RVD's skills go.  He is a decent worker that continues to improve. And pretty much every wrestler knows how to do most basic moves(from RVD to freaking Albert).  Its just of question on figuring out to incorporate them into a match.  Match pacing and timing has always been RVD's biggest inring problem, not mat skills. Besides RVD doesn't belong on the mat anyway, he belongs in the air. Thats like saying Dean Malenko needs to do more high flying.

 

RVD stiff? Your joking right. Go watch some early 90s All Japan, that shit is stiff.  Besides whats wrong with working stiff.  I love stiff matches.  

 

And Benoit could outspot RVD. Spots doesn't always equal high flying moves.

[Guest]

You say Rob doesn't have what it takes to be a Main eventer, huh...Lets see, he can carry a old, over the hill guy that hadn't had a good match in over year to a pretty good Hardcore match...He can pop crowd and sell more merchandise than that individual...he can go for longer, has a bigger offensive moveset, people would actually tune in to see him... Has talent coming out the wazzu....has been wrestling for over 10 years...Yeah, thats not Main event material at all.  

 

BTW, could you, um name all the wrestlers that have gotten concussions from Robs kicks.  If we went out and asked them all, I think it would be pretty quick seeing that we would only have to ask Test...  JEEEbus look at all the people.  This guy should be destroyed...

 

Non Taker mark...remembering Taker rupturing Rikishi's eardrum, and busting Austin open hard way by dropping a chair on him...but a concussion to Test who worked the next day is HORRIBLE.

I agree, I love rvd's huge moveset, all those flips are amazing.  But for real, with only 1 wrestling hold in his arsenal, hogan has more moves than him, thats pretty bad.  I will maybe give RVD credit if he acually wrestles  a match for once instead of gymnastics.  All you RVd dick suckers list off his "wrestling" holds so we can see how many he has.

 

--Rob

[Guest Mystery Eskimo]

The thing is, I'm sure RVD *has* loads of wrestling moves, they just don't fit into this unique style. People seem to be implying RVD *can't* do a wristlock or something, which is absurd.

[Guest cabbageboy]

Some of your dumbasses are pissing me off, so now I will clear up a few things.  RVD knows a shitload of moves.  I will now name them and where I saw them.

 

German suplex:  beat Storm with it at Guilty as Charged 99.  Also used a double arm suplex facebuster type thing in that match that he uses to this date.  And the aforementioned surfboard move.

 

Figure Four, which was mentioned already....he just did it that one time with Flair though.

 

Northern Lights Suplex:  he does it better than anyone I've ever seen, check out one against Jerry Lynn from ECW TV circa 1998.

 

Powerbomb:  Hit Sabu with it when they feuded in 1996.

 

Fisherman's Buster:  A sick perfectplex/brainbuster combo move that he used on Sabu's injured neck during the 96 feud (and yes, that is psychology).  

 

Five Star Frog Splash:  that one is obvious.

 

Split legged moonsault:  he invented it.

 

Leg scissors takedown:  uses it mostly against D'Von for some reason, it's where he grabs a guy's arm and kicks his ribs repeatedly, then takes him down with his legs for a 2 count.

 

Sommersault into the crowd:  not so much a hold, but I went batshit when I saw him do it against Bigelow in 1998.

 

Fireman's carry into the moonsault:  great mix of strength and flying.

 

Those are a few I can name of the top of my head.  Add that stuff to his spots like Rolling Thunder, the Van Daminator, the spinning kick to the guardrail, and the yet to be used in the WWF Van Terminator (not used by RVD anyway) and that is a hell of a moveset.

 

Everyone satisfied, or do I need to list all of his interviews now?

[Guest]

quote "All you RVd dick suckers list off his "wrestling" holds so we can see how many he has."    so, it appears one person is an rvd dick rider.

 

--Rob

[Guest Brian]

Anyone want to list moves RVD uses now, let alone in the last three years?

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

Face buster on the knee

High knee

Spinebuster

Neckbreaker

Pedigree

 

 

Thats it.

 

and this guy is champ...without any heat.

[Guest Coffin Surfer]

Implying RVD sucks because he doesn't use alot of moves is very dumbass. He is just weak at pacing and putting together matches.  Which is the hardest thing in wrestling to master, not the moves.  

 

Some wrestlers IMO better than RVD but don't use nowhere near as many moves as him.  Cause its not about how many moves you use, its how you use them.

 

Bret Hart

Ric Flair

Kawada

Misawa

Kobashi

Ricky Steamboat

[Guest]

Don't forget:

 

Flex

Snarl

Ramble-uh

Spit Water

 

 

Let's be fair here, every (almost) guy in the WWF has a very large moveset. The problem is WWF matches have degenerated to a guy having 5 or 6 trademark spots, which he must try and cram into a 4 minute match. Maybe it's to leave room for vignettes, or maybe it's not to make other guys look bad, as it seems like the few guys who really do have limited movesets are high up on the card. The point is, it's ridiculous to talk about small movesets as a reason not to put a guy in the ME, because lots of guys in the ME have limited movesets, lots of guys looking to move up to ME have very large movesets (like RVD), and they won't get the chance to do more than 5-6 moves anyway, unless the're headlining a PPV.

[Guest Kahran Ramsus]

Face buster on the knee

High knee

Spinebuster

Neckbreaker

Pedigree

 

 

Thats it.

 

and this guy is champ...without any heat.

 

He used to do moves.  Just look at his match with Benoit at No Mercy 2000.  The problem is he doesn't do those moves now.  He also moves like Big Slow, and as you said he has no heat.  Trip's last great singles match was at No Way Out 2001.  He was having these problems before the injury, just they are far worse now.

[Guest Kahran Ramsus]

Implying RVD sucks because he doesn't use alot of moves is very dumbass. He is just weak at pacing and putting together matches.  Which is the hardest thing in wrestling to master, not the moves.  

 

Exactly.

[Guest Brian]

Well, Triple H also was working everyday back then, so he was in much better ring shape. There's ups and downs to having him defend the title more often. There's also a big plus to him being a heel, in that there's a chase for the title. Triple H was really unmotivated post-WrestleMania when he realized he wasn't going to get his face run. Now he's motivated but pretty useless.