ANOTHER Barry Bonds thread

[Guest Anglesault]

Wasn't the Clipper in the war?

[Guest Anglesault]

Wasn't the Clipper in the war?

[Chuck Woolery 0]

To the guy who said it took Bonds longer than Ruth this is true, but it also took Bonds about a thousand less strikeouts, over 350 more stolen bases, and playing in a much tougher era considering Ruth still played in the time of segregation in baseball.

Because the white Ruth was really affected by segregation.

 

In all seriousness... like someone else said, I couldn't care less at this point about Barry Bonds, I'm much more interested in my team (the Sox, bitch). When he comes around here, I'll be more excited, but because I want to see Pedro/Schilling/Lowe/Wakefield strike his ass out.

 

Bonds is a great player, sure, and he hits a ton of homers, but until he's within striking distance of Aaron (I'm talking five homers or so), I don't care one way or another about it. He could die tomorrow, you know, and forever be nearly a hundred runs behind Aaron. Wait until he's really close, then we'll talk seriously.

[Vern Gagne 0]

Wasn't the Clipper in the war?

Yep he missed 2 or 3 years.

 

Interesting note from ESPN. Aaron, Ruth, Bonds, and Mays have combined for only two 100 strikeout seasons.

[Kahran Ramsus 0]

Wasn't the Clipper in the war?

It was Williams that got most of the publicity though. Especially after he also served in Korea.

[Guest MikeSC]

Wasn't the Clipper in the war?

It was Williams that got most of the publicity though. Especially after he also served in Korea.

From what I've read on their respective services, isn't Williams' service in Korea the only LEGITIMATE war-time service any of them had?

 

I always read that most of their service in WW II was basically playing in exhibitions at various bases.

-=Mike

[Guest NCJ]

To the guy who said it took Bonds longer than Ruth this is true, but it also took Bonds about a thousand less strikeouts, over 350 more stolen bases, and playing in a much tougher era considering Ruth still played in the time of segregation in baseball.

Because the white Ruth was really affected by segregation.

 

In all seriousness... like someone else said, I couldn't care less at this point about Barry Bonds, I'm much more interested in my team (the Sox, bitch). When he comes around here, I'll be more excited, but because I want to see Pedro/Schilling/Lowe/Wakefield strike his ass out.

 

Bonds is a great player, sure, and he hits a ton of homers, but until he's within striking distance of Aaron (I'm talking five homers or so), I don't care one way or another about it. He could die tomorrow, you know, and forever be nearly a hundred runs behind Aaron. Wait until he's really close, then we'll talk seriously.

The point I was making is he didn't play against all the best players of his day. When you consider that 18 of the 2003 American League all stars were not white, you have to believe that a decent percentage of minority players from his day would have been legitamate major league stars if they had an oppurtunity. I am not saying that Ruth would not have put up the same numbers, but if you were to segregate the entire major leagues today I think you would see numbers change quite a bit for some players.

[EVIL~! alkeiper 0]

Even without the desegregation of baseball, the quality of baseball, or any sport for that matter, has improved over the years. You also have to remember that the best WHITE players weren't all playing in the majors. Advanced scouting techniques weren't fully in use at that point. The PCL and other minor leagues had some damned good players.

[Gert T 0]

To the guy who said it took Bonds longer than Ruth this is true, but it also took Bonds about a thousand less strikeouts, over 350 more stolen bases, and playing in a much tougher era considering Ruth still played in the time of segregation in baseball.

Because the white Ruth was really affected by segregation.

 

In all seriousness... like someone else said, I couldn't care less at this point about Barry Bonds, I'm much more interested in my team (the Sox, bitch). When he comes around here, I'll be more excited, but because I want to see Pedro/Schilling/Lowe/Wakefield strike his ass out.

 

Bonds is a great player, sure, and he hits a ton of homers, but until he's within striking distance of Aaron (I'm talking five homers or so), I don't care one way or another about it. He could die tomorrow, you know, and forever be nearly a hundred runs behind Aaron. Wait until he's really close, then we'll talk seriously.

The point I was making is he didn't play against all the best players of his day. When you consider that 18 of the 2003 American League all stars were not white, you have to believe that a decent percentage of minority players from his day would have been legitamate major league stars if they had an oppurtunity. I am not saying that Ruth would not have put up the same numbers, but if you were to segregate the entire major leagues today I think you would see numbers change quite a bit for some players.

The problem is you get to the debate of Bonds playing in a watered down league with expansion explosions. Which, by the way I think is bullshit.

[EVIL~! alkeiper 0]

The expansion or the argument?

[Guest Dynamite Kido]

I personally have never met Barry Bonds, so I have no place in calling him an asshole.  His "mistreatment" of the media is something that I have defended over and over again in countless bar arguements.  The bottom line is simply that he doesn't have to be a nice guy. Period.  If you don't like him too fucking bad.  The reason that I don't like him is simple:  I think that it is about 99.999% certain that he uses steroids.  All you have to do is look at his body and how it exploded.  Not just muscle mass, but overall mass.  The guy went from a string bean to a freaking mountain.  That's not something that a person does in his late 30's, early 40's without becomming a serious weightlifter.  Which Bonds certainly is not.

 

To me that is the ultimate insult to:

1. The fans who pay to see him play. (who are also, imo, fools)

2. The players whose records he has passed and will continue to do so.

3. Ever single major league player who is not using steroids.

 

 

The bottom line is... he's cheating (imo).  Not only that, but he is constantly being rewarded for it and it sickens me to the point where I no longer watch the MLB.  This coming from a person who once had aspirations of watching a game in every ballpark (and had been to 10 as of 5 years ago).   Now it's all minors for me, and have currently gone to 6 minor league ballparks will the intention of seeing as many as possible.

I've met Bonds personally.....he IS an asshole.

Okay, I'll bite.. Where did you meet him, as in.. did you approach him away from the ballpark? Was he in uniform? At a fundraiser of some sort?

 

My reasoning for not caring what kind of a person he is outside of baseball stems from my personal stance that I would be the same way. People constantly bothering him while out to dinner or whatever. That shit would drive me nuts. Yes I know.. he could just retire or not play baseball or whatever, but people act like he OWES them his time and good graces when in reality he provides a service that people pay for.

When he played for Pittsburgh, there was a place by where the players parked that fans used to wait for autographs. While waiting there not only would Bonds not sign one of them but he would constatly be bitching about security to get along the guardrails so that "I don't wanna any of these people touching me". Yes, he said those exact words.......and before you ask....nobody was bothering him in the least(you couldn't get near the players.....they would come to you.