Bin Laden Offers Truce to Europe

[Guest MikeSC]

Mike the sad thing is a book claiming the U.S was behind 9-11 would make the Top 10 here.

Franken would write it. Foreword by Garofalo. Grease stains by Michael Moore.

-=Mike

I don't even take Michael Moore and enjoy it when we talk about how fat he is, but this is low and uncalled for.

Low? Yes.

Uncalled for? Nah.

-=Mike

[Jobber of the Week 0]

Low? Yes.

Uncalled for? Nah.

                  -=Mike

Yes, it is. Even humorously, by insinuating that those guys would write a book that the US hired people to fly planes into buildings, which is a pretty big stretch even if you don't like them, you give the left more ammunition that people on their right question their patriotism and loyalty to their country because they don't support the candidates and policies you do.

[Vern Gagne 0]

Haven't heard about Moore's newest mockumentary?

[Firestarter 0]

Yes, it is. Even humorously, by insinuating that those guys would write a book that the US hired people to fly planes into buildings, which is a pretty big stretch even if you don't like them, you give the left more ammunition that people on their right question their patriotism and loyalty to their country because they don't support the candidates and policies you do.

Fascinating point of view. By any chance, do you remember a self-described liberal called "Perfect Bo" who posted pretty much exactly that theory in a 9/11 remembrance thread a year or two ago?

 

Marn

-=Equating liberalism and treason isn't Slander, it's just the truth

[Guest MikeSC]

Low? Yes.

Uncalled for? Nah.

                  -=Mike

Yes, it is. Even humorously, by insinuating that those guys would write a book that the US hired people to fly planes into buildings, which is a pretty big stretch even if you don't like them, you give the left more ammunition that people on their right question their patriotism and loyalty to their country because they don't support the candidates and policies you do.

Of course, Moore is the same guy who said Bush went AWOL and has stated we invented the WMD claims.

 

But, no, I guess I can't imagine him writing a ridiculously paranoid book about the President.

 

Not Michael Moore.

-=Mike

[Firestarter 0]

Damn, I messed up the tagline. How do you format the things you sometimes put below your name, Mike?

[Guest MikeSC]

And a bit of a repost when it comes to Spain.

 

The results map:

 

 

I believe that if there is a terrorist attack in one of the other Euro countries, then they'll pussy out exactly as the Spanish did.

 

Pussy out meaning 'voting against the party who had tried to pin the attacks on the Basques instead of Al-Qaida'?

 

or Pussy out meaning 'voting against the ruling party'

 

So, even with the PP either missing all the clues and blaming the ETA, or a possible cover-up of the facts, they should have been elected?

BTW, update:

 

Full text: Spain's PM calls troops back

 

Mr Zapatero said he was keeping an election promise

Spain's new prime minister Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero has told the country he has given orders for Spanish troops in Iraq to be brought home in the "shortest time possible".

 

The following is the text of his broadcast on Spanish Canal 24 Horas television.

 

Good evening. This morning, once the defence minister [Jose Bono] was sworn in, I gave him the order to make the necessary arrangements for the Spanish troops stationed in Iraq to return home in the shortest time, and with the greatest security possible.

 

I said... that in the event of my being elected prime minister by citizens, I would order the return of the Spanish troops from Iraq if the UN did not take charge of the political and military situation.

 

In March 2003, more than a year ago, I made a public commitment, which I repeated in February.

 

I said then that in the event of my being elected prime minister by citizens, I would order the return of the Spanish troops from Iraq if the UN did not take charge of the political and military situation.

 

With the information we have available and which we have gathered in the course of recent weeks, it is not foreseeable that a UN resolution will be adopted that matches the content [as heard] on which our presence in Iraq was made conditional.

 

Neither the public statements of the main players involved in this conflict nor the contacts held by the defence minister at my request in the course of the last month provide any evidence allowing one to foresee a substantial variation in the political and military situation existing in Iraq within the period envisaged, and in the manner demanded by the Spanish people.

 

These circumstances have led me to take the decision to order the return of our soldiers with the maximum security and consequently in the shortest possible time.

 

'Keeping my promise'

 

This decision reflects, above all, my wish to keep the promise I made to Spaniards more than a year ago.

 

The government, inspired by the deepest democratic convictions, does not want, cannot and will not act against or in disregard for the will of Spaniards.

 

This is its main obligation and it is also its main commitment.

 

1) The decision also reflects the aim of contributing to the fight which the international community is carrying out against terrorism on the basis of the strictest respect for international law.

 

The Spanish government will continue strongly to support the stability, the democratization, the territorial integrity and the reconstruction of Iraq.

 

2) The Spanish government will continue strongly to support the stability, the democratisation, the territorial integrity and the reconstruction of Iraq, and, in accordance with this principle, it will promote whatever actions by the United Nations and the European Union offer a framework of international co-operation that contributes effectively to Iraqis regaining their sovereignty, and being able to organise their elections freely and democratically in order to build their own future in peace, independence and security.

 

3) The government will maintain Spain's position as a loyal ally of its partners.

 

We shall fulfil our country's international commitments, most especially those related to our participation in international peace and security missions.

 

'Gratitude and warmth'

 

I want to express clearly my recognition of the Spanish armed forces, which day after day fulfil their missions in Spain and in the most diverse regions of the world and which, in Iraq, have provided constant proof of their preparation, professionalism and discipline, as well as of their humanity and dedication in helping the Iraqi civilian population.

 

So may my own and my government's gratitude and warmth go out to them, on behalf of all Spaniards.

 

The defence minister will in the coming days report to you on the process of the troops' return.

 

The defence minister will in the coming days report to you on the process of the troops' return.

 

For my part, I announce to you that, in accordance with what I said in the recent investiture speech, this very day I have requested the urgent summoning of a plenary session of the Congress of Deputies in order for the government to inform the parliamentary groups of the reasons and the significance of this decision, about which, moreover, I personally told the leader of the opposition a few minutes ago.

 

Thank you very much.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3637741.stm

So, he's pulling them out early. Truly, a stunning move.

 

As for some of his points:

1) The int'l community doesn't CARE about terrorism. Never has. They prefer to cower in holes and hope they leave them alone.

 

2) Ah, let the UN and EU (European Union? Umm, WHY on God's Earth would ANYBODY support a thoroughly undemocratic government giving plans on creating a democracy?) decide to how to let Iraq govern itself.

 

3) The anti-U.S sentiments here are too obvious to consider them an "ally".

 

I think it's time for the world to realize something.

 

If we do what you claim you want --- namely, remove ourselves from int'l affairs --- there will be chaos.

 

Europe will be quite undefended, outside of England. The rest will be ripe for anybody who wishes to conquer them --- unless they decide to actually create a military, something they cannot begin to afford.

 

S. Korea, if we do what they want, will cease to be. Period. We have saved them for 50 years. At this point, I say let them get engulfed by the North. They'll learn that their beefs with us are better than total police state rule and mass starvation. The North would have NO qualms about conquering them --- and I say we should let them.

 

The Middle East will become a total powder keg.

 

And when it all comes to a boil --- any guesses as to who will get the blame for all of it for not "doing enough"?

-=Mike

[EricMM 0]

Who in the world WOULD conquer Europe tho??

[Guest MikeSC]

Who in the world WOULD conquer Europe tho??

Seeng as how Muslim extremists tend to want to eliminate all infidels --- they could be a likely candidate.

-=Mike

[Jobber of the Week 0]

Fascinating point of view. By any chance, do you remember a self-described liberal called "Perfect Bo" who posted pretty much exactly that theory in a 9/11 remembrance thread a year or two ago?

I believe I didn't start posting in this forum until mid-02. I don't remember any such poster, though s/he was probably before I was here.

 

An incredibly stupid theory anyway.

 

Marn

-=Equating liberalism and treason isn't Slander, it's just the truth

 

Sure, Ann, sure.

[Guest MikeSC]

Fascinating point of view. By any chance, do you remember a self-described liberal called "Perfect Bo" who posted pretty much exactly that theory in a 9/11 remembrance thread a year or two ago?

I believe I didn't start posting in this forum until mid-02. I don't remember any such poster, though s/he was probably before I was here.

 

An incredibly stupid theory anyway.

 

Marn

-=Equating liberalism and treason isn't Slander, it's just the truth

 

Sure, Ann, sure.

Can I call Jimmy Carter treasonous?

-=Mike

[Jobber of the Week 0]

Can I call Jimmy Carter treasonous?

-=Mike

I'm not going to tell you what you can and can't say. I'm just going to call on you when you say something stupid.

[Guest MikeSC]

Can I call Jimmy Carter treasonous?

                    -=Mike

I'm not going to tell you what you can and can't say. I'm just going to call on you when you say something stupid.

Then I'll call Carter treasonous. Extremely so. He has done more to undermine US foreign policy and fellate dictators than any man I can think of.

-=Mike