Layne staley dead

[Guest TheMikeSC]

You need to fuck off.>>>

 

 

And miss the mauldin rantings about the death of another junkie?

 

Oh, I could NEVER do that.

 

 

<<<A man died, and all you can do is harass him, and say how much better you are than him?>>>

 

 

Did I say I was better than him? No, I just said he was a weak, selfish little slug---which he was.

 

 

<<<He knew taking heroin wasn't good, that's why he went into rehab, guess what, it has nothing to do with willpower, your BODY actually NEEDS it. Without it, he would've died, simply. The treatment didn't work.>>>

 

 

And we're supposed to ignore that the little turd TOOK THE DRUG IN THE FIRST PLACE?

 

Why was he an addict? Because he took heroin. Nobody MADE him take it---he made a conscious decision.

 

His death is the result of his horrible choice.

 

Why in the world should I feel a shred of compassion for a guy who brought his misery and death upon himself?

 

 

<<<And you say it's not genetic, but it is. Some body types get addicted faster than others. For all we know he took it one time, just to try it, and from then on he was hooked.>>>

 

 

Of course, you seem to miss the key aspect---he CHOSE to take it. Even if it was only once, he CHOSE his path. He made a choice and now, the choice has killed him. There are deaths in the world that are tragic.

 

His is not one of them.

 

 

<<<And you say you don't mourn anyone who OD'd and died?>>>

 

 

Yup.

 

 

<<<So lets say your sibling is at a party, and just once, snorts a line of crack because he's pressured into it and dies. Are you going to sit here and talk about personal weakness, and how you don't care that he died? No, you wouldn't. You'd mourn him.>>>

 

 

I'd feel bad that he was dead, but I'd flat-out say that his death was caused by his choices.

 

Fortunately, my siblings aren't weak-willed, selfish little slugs, so it's not really a problem for me.

 

 

<<<Respect the dead, and screw off.>>>

 

 

I think not. I have NO respect for Staley. He sucked hard as a singer and as a person, he was even worse. His death is a positive for the world. One less junkie out there is nothing but a good thing.

 

 

<<<RIP Layne. >>>

 

 

Don't let the door hit him on the way out.

                     -=Mike

[Guest TheMikeSC]

::Claps For TheyCallMeAMark's comments:: >>>

 

 

Ah, somebody who respects a selfish little slug who decided to kill himself rather than raise his child (yes, I'm DIRECTLY referring to Kurt Cobain) finds my comments offensive.

 

Good.

 

About the time the world learned to mourn tragic deaths and ignore deaths caused by selfish, self-destructive behavior.

                    -=Mike

[Guest TheMikeSC]

Another great musician has died way too young.

 

RIP >>>

 

 

Pretty liberal with that "great" label, are we?

                         -=Mike

 

...I might go with average. Nah, I wouldn't go with that, either.

[Guest cobainwasmurdered]

don't find your comments offensive, i find them stupid.

[Guest Matt]

I dunno maybe its Mike;s seeming disregard for human life that bugs me.

 

Or maybe its the high-and mighty, holier than thou attitude of his.

 

I mean I can't really go into details as I am not of the profession but being famous MUST take its toll. Look at the number of actors, musicians, and athletes who are addicted to something, I think that's its own just evidence.

 

Now Mike, and this is not meant as a shot, but I have my doubts as to the brimming nature of your daily schedule, maybe its easier for you day to day then it is for others. Hell if you ARE a HUMAN BEING, it should take you hours to justify saying what you said just to yourself, not to mention others with dissenting opinion.

 

Im not saying Layne Staley was a great man, but dammit he was a man. And he wasn't hurting anyone else intentionally (though one addictions carries many victims)

 

I have a problem when people call anyone a "waste of flesh" of "deserving" of unfortunate fate but to hear you dish it out on a man who, from I've read,had only the most genuine compassion for his fans and his friends, just because you obviously have your own hangups and insecurities about people who garner and acheive fame is really sad.

 

I don't know what you hope to acheive buy doing this, but I swear you can't honestly believe what you're saying.

 

Anyway, I'm finally through being totally bummed about Layne's death, not only because he had so much life left to live, but because at the end of the "Music Bank" box set, Jerry Cantrell says...

 

"there's a lot of love between us. you never know what the fuck's going to happen. the adventure continues and its still going on, and as long as we're living  and breathing there's still Alice in Chains."

 

...sometimes irony can be so cold

[Guest TheMikeSC]

<<<I dunno maybe its Mike;s seeming disregard for human life that bugs me.>>>

 

 

I have high regard for human life.

 

Junkies, on the other hand, are seldom worthy of even the scorn I unload upon them.

 

 

<<<Or maybe its the high-and mighty, holier than thou attitude of his.>>>

 

 

Saying that a junkie brings his/her misery upon themselves is being "holier than thou"?

 

Wow, I know people today HATE being judgmental, but this is a tad ridiculous.

 

 

<<<I mean I can't really go into details as I am not of the profession but being famous MUST take its toll. Look at the number of actors, musicians, and athletes who are addicted to something, I think that's its own just evidence.>>>

 

 

And these people STRIVE fo it. They work HARD for it. They DESIRE it. They WANT the fame. They NEED the fame.

 

If they didn't want it, they could easily fade away.

 

If AIC completely stopped making "music", Staley could go back being a totally anonymous guy.

 

But, no, he enjoyed being a famous junkie so much more.

 

Oh well. He made his bed and now he's laying in it.

 

 

<<<Now Mike, and this is not meant as a shot, but I have my doubts as to the brimming nature of your daily schedule, maybe its easier for you day to day then it is for others.>>>

 

 

Well, I've managed to avoid taking heroin in my life---but I, of course, don't feel the NEED to take it. My day-to-day existence is just peachy, thanks for asking.

 

 

<<<Hell if you ARE a HUMAN BEING, it should take you hours to justify saying what you said just to yourself, not to mention others with dissenting opinion.>>>

 

 

It takes me a moment. A junkie brings everything upon themselves and when they end up dying over their addiction, expecting sympathy is ridiculous.

 

 

<<<Im not saying Layne Staley was a great man, but dammit he was a man. And he wasn't hurting anyone else intentionally (though one addictions carries many victims)>>>

 

 

He didn't CARE if he was hurting anybody, which makes him quite deserving of scorn. He had a family that he's hurt immeasurably because he was a selfish little turd.

 

 

<<<I have a problem when people call anyone a "waste of flesh" of "deserving" of unfortunate fate but to hear you dish it out on a man who, from I've read,had only the most genuine compassion for his fans and his friends, just because you obviously have your own hangups and insecurities about people who garner and acheive fame is really sad.>>>

 

 

He had NO "genuine compassion" because, well, he would rather die from heroin than not take it. It's a shame that he had FAR less respect for his fans and friends than they had for him---but people have long respected people not deserving of respect. If somebody achieves fame, good for them.

 

If they can't HANDLE it, well, it's their problem.

 

 

<<<I don't know what you hope to acheive buy doing this, but I swear you can't honestly believe what you're saying.>>>

 

 

I absolutely believe it.

 

He brought it upon himself.

 

 

<<<Anyway, I'm finally through being totally bummed about Layne's death, not only because he had so much life left to live, but because at the end of the "Music Bank" box set, Jerry Cantrell says...

 

"there's a lot of love between us. you never know what the fuck's going to happen. the adventure continues and its still going on, and as long as we're living  and breathing there's still Alice in Chains."

 

...sometimes irony can be so cold >>>

 

 

It isn't irony.

 

It's the inevitable conclusion to the life of a junkie.

                         -=Mike

[Guest Kinetic]

I agree with Mike completely.  I know personal responsibility really isn't in style these days, but if dying of a heroin overdose after being a junkie for ten years isn't the fault of the person doing the heroin, then what is?

[Guest Matt]

My point is not and never was. Layne Staley wasn't responsible for his death it is that just because the circumstances aren't innocent doesnt mean its not tragic.

 

There was a lot more to be said by Layne Staley and Alice in Chains.

 

too bad we'll never hear it, whatever the reason for that may be.

[Guest DragonflyKid]

I think this goes deeper, it not about Staley and his drug addiction it's about the deification of celebrities. Staley was my favorite vocalist ever, I was a fan of the man's talents, but not the man since I had never met him. People tend to try to personalize a relationship with entertainers beyond the fact they are just entertainers- glorified jesters of sorts albeit wealthy ones. People buy into the hype of celebrity and in the process obsess about a world of superficial illusions. Look at the tv rating for award shows, the countless shows and magazines geared to selling the commodity that is the celebrity, it's just plain silly.

 

I'm not going to get into the discussion/argument over weather or not Staley should be dehumanized post-mortem for having a weakness and making a mistake. It just makes for a bunch of self-righteous BS IMO.

[Guest BATMANvsJESUS]

WHO CARES????????????  He's just another person.

[Guest]

Who cares? All the people he's reached. Mike, do you feel no sympathy for anyone? That's mean man, what you said was the equivalint of pissing on his grave. If you dont/didnt like him, why did you post in the thread? Class act troll, got a good rise, and made a bunch of people upset.

 

If your cousin dies tomorrow of an alcohol related accident, i wouldnt be fucking sorry either. You're the worthless bitch here.