Guest TigerDriver91 Report post Posted May 19, 2004 I really wish people would stop bringing up the standing ovation like it was a regularly occuring thing. It has, in fact, happened on more than one occassion. That is a fact. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Brian Report post Posted May 19, 2004 Curiously, those that are going on about the favorable reactions that Benoit receives over Shawn Michaels are forgetting the Raw in Topeka.....when Shawn accidentally hit Benoit in the face with the chair and Chris got revenge by putting HBK in the Sharpshooter......and got loudly booed for it as a result. Let's not act as if Benoit's reactions are 100% gold. For as many good reactions as he's gotten on Raw since he jumped, he's also had some negative reactions when pitted against Shawn Michaels - or, in fact, no reaction at all. Well, they did paint him as the heel in that exchange. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest wildpegasus Report post Posted May 19, 2004 Curiously, those that are going on about the favorable reactions that Benoit receives over Shawn Michaels are forgetting the Raw in Topeka.....when Shawn accidentally hit Benoit in the face with the chair and Chris got revenge by putting HBK in the Sharpshooter......and got loudly booed for it as a result. Let's not act as if Benoit's reactions are 100% gold. For as many good reactions as he's gotten on Raw since he jumped, he's also had some negative reactions when pitted against Shawn Michaels - or, in fact, no reaction at all. It was a heelish action when Benoit put Michaels in the sharpshooter. And let's also remember the fans did turn over to Benoit during their first single match and at least somewhat during their second match. Benoit often wins fans over during a match (which I believe he did with Cena even though he took to wrestling as a heel during the 2nd part of their last match) rather than an entrance. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Choken One Report post Posted May 19, 2004 I love how we have this conversation every other week. Two facts are known now... 1) A non-Benoit hyped Show grew low ratings 2) Benoit gets Hyped early in the show and the ratings go up... also...I don't want to go back but didn't Eugene's segment out draw the rest of the show last week as well? At this rate Raw just needs to hype Kane, Benoit and Eugene. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Amazing Rando 0 Report post Posted May 19, 2004 I only want to add that a 1.0 in ratings is about 750,000 - 800,000 viewers or so (though that's broadcast and may be different for cable) ...so then a .1 increase would be about 75-80,000 more people tuning in. That isn't much in the general scheme of things...but it's still a lot of people. I only wish SD was getting this kind of ratings and reactions. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest wildpegasus Report post Posted May 19, 2004 I really wish people would stop bringing up the standing ovation like it was a regularly occuring thing. It has, in fact, happened on more than one occassion. That is a fact. I think it's time to bring out the Official Benoit Standing Ovation list again. Here it is: After the match against Nunzio on Smackdown Against A-Train the night after the 2003 Rumble on a house show Against the Big Show on one of their international tours and I know that wasn't the only one Against Lesnar on Smackdown Would've had one in Halifax after the Big Show match if Lesnar's music hadn't come on. MSG at Wrestlemania after cameras were off Raw after Wrestlemania after cameras were off Several standing ovations in Calgary when he returned with the belt Against Lesnar at a house show in Edmonton Return from surgery in Edmonton Against Palumbo at a house show Autograph signing in Halifax There are others too. And I predict there will be a standing ovation if Benoit wrestles Jericho at the July Raw PPV. The Kane match will be a good possability too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Mulatto Heat Report post Posted May 19, 2004 In one of the smarkier areas of the country, at that? I like how Massachusetts only became a "smarky area" after Worchester booed Goldberg's debut at Backlash. Hard feelings? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest GiZ Report post Posted May 19, 2004 1) A non-Benoit hyped Show grew low ratings 2) Benoit gets Hyped early in the show and the ratings go up... Where are facts/information on this? because at the moment the ratings are low as. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Choken One Report post Posted May 19, 2004 I really wish people would stop bringing up the standing ovation like it was a regularly occuring thing. It has, in fact, happened on more than one occassion. That is a fact. And I predict there will be a standing ovation if Benoit wrestles Jericho at the July Raw PPV. The Kane match will be a good possability too. dont worry...I'll make sure the crowd gives Benoit his rightful Standing O. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Choken One Report post Posted May 19, 2004 1) A non-Benoit hyped Show grew low ratings 2) Benoit gets Hyped early in the show and the ratings go up... Where are facts/information on this? because at the moment the ratings are low as. Two weeks ago...Shawn/Benoit grew a 4.1. The next week...With FIVE hyped matches but no mention of Benoit...draws a 3.4. Next week...first segment hypes a Benoit match...combined with the Eugene segment...ratings go up to 4.0. Clearly Benoit is a factor. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Mulatto Heat Report post Posted May 19, 2004 I don't want to go back but didn't Eugene's segment out draw the rest of the show last week as well? No, the overrun, which was basically the entire cage match, got the highest number, which was only a 3.9 anyway. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Amazing Rando 0 Report post Posted May 19, 2004 Just moving my edits from my last post down here in case somebody wants to read them. EDIT: In response to what Choken just said(re: before my last post), Eugene has already garnered himself a cult following in the smark and mark fanbases. The fans can't help but cheer the guy and we can't help but enjoy the fact that he has been entertaining week in and week out (and having Regal around is also a plus). The cheers have also been steadily increasing, and this week (with the help of the Rock, of course) the crowd was loving every second of it. I can definitely see those cheers and that kind of emotion being carried over to next week, when I'm sure we'll see Cade vs. Eugene and have Eugene win again. The thing is, when Eugene finally gets a loss it had better be based around cheap heel tactics. Eugene can not lose clean right now or in the next few weeks or months. In kayfabe, Eugene might not be able to handle it. On the flip side of the coin, Eugene could lose and just get more determined - which would competely through off Bischoff's plan and make him have to accept the fact that Eugene wants to be a wrestler and nothing is going to stop him. Give him a year (give or take a few months), let a little bit of a "serious" side come out on him, and he could easily be IC Title material and the fans would get behind him 110%, because Eugene would treat that belt with respect, unlike the arm candy that Orton portrays it as now (Sorry, but he has barely shown any caring about that title other than to say "no I don't want to defend it" and "i'm the longest reigning champ" and also to hold it above his head every once in a while). Wow...that was a long edit. EDIT TWO: Wasn't Benoit on RAW the night after the Rumble? If so, he couldn't have wrestled A-Train. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest GiZ Report post Posted May 19, 2004 Two weeks ago...Shawn/Benoit grew a 4.1. Clearly Benoit is a factor. Maybe more so, World title matches garner more interest because their hyped like anything for 2 weeks? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Choken One Report post Posted May 19, 2004 I really have a feeling they will do the Orton/Eugene segment this fall after Orton finishes with Benjamin and Jericho... Orton proved he can be a dick during the Foley angle...he could really turn his ASSHOLE ability to new levels with Eugene...I mean coach got huge heat for using generic insults...Orton could smother eugene...leading to the HUGE upset ala Rick Steiner with the TV Belt over Rotundo. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Choken One Report post Posted May 19, 2004 Two weeks ago...Shawn/Benoit grew a 4.1. Clearly Benoit is a factor. Maybe more so, World title matches garner more interest because their hyped like anything for 2 weeks? then explain why HHH/HBK didn't get high ratings...if it's just the appeal of a TITLE match... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lil' Bitch 0 Report post Posted May 19, 2004 Too bad WWE missed the Goldberg/Kane boat. Here here, sadly the best match out of their little series was at my house show when they wrestled each other for the very first time (with the title on the line I might add) and unfortunately its lost forever as it wasn't recorded. We could have had the match at Armageddon last year actually, but nope HHH had to ruin it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Choken One Report post Posted May 19, 2004 Too bad WWE missed the Goldberg/Kane boat. Here here, sadly the best match out of their little series was at my house show when they wrestled each other for the very first time (with the title on the line I might add) and unfortunately its lost forever as it wasn't recorded. We could have had the match at Armageddon last year actually, but nope HHH had to ruin it. not only that but they blew it on a meaningless unhyped 10 spot main event that lasted 3 minutes before interference. The next few weeks should be interesting... Kane is a PROVEN Draw...Benoit dispite one idiot's here claims is drawing.... yet...Shawn/HHH...two historical FLOPS at the draw will be sharing the headline... should be interesting to see who takes credit/blame. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Amazing Rando 0 Report post Posted May 19, 2004 I really have a feeling they will do the Orton/Eugene segment this fall after Orton finishes with Benjamin and Jericho... Orton will lose the title to Benjamin. Maybe Orton will win it back after two months or something, but I could see a good little reign for Shelton even if Orton was to win it back. Sadly...Jericho is almost in that level where he really shouldn't hold the IC Title but at the same token he could aim for the World Title...but he shouldn't win it either right yet. He needs something high profile and booked to perfection to get the fans to buy him as a big threat and a great champion. Also, having him as the face World Champ and NOT Benoit would be an odd sight to see, as I want to see Benoit stay in the ME picture for as long as possible (though after HHH wins back the title...he could feud with Jericho and actually put him over, as then Benoit and HBK have a good place to do their one-on-one feud). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Mulatto Heat Report post Posted May 19, 2004 I'd be hesistant about declaring HHH/HBK a "flop" as a draw as there is evidence for both sides, but that's not the annoying thing about all this. What's annoying is that these two have been pestering each other for nearly two years now, which in WWE-land is an eternity. Unless you're some total Clique mark then you have to admit it's getting to be rather trite. What's it going to take for them to move on? One of them dying? (And no, this is not an opening for tasteless jokes) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lil' Bitch 0 Report post Posted May 19, 2004 I have to give props to Kane, not only did he survive a shitfest feud with Shane, but after getting DESTROYED by the Undertaker at WM, he's back in the main event scene again. After last night, I'm a Kane-anite again. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Choken One Report post Posted May 19, 2004 I really have a feeling they will do the Orton/Eugene segment this fall after Orton finishes with Benjamin and Jericho... Orton will lose the title to Benjamin. Maybe Orton will win it back after two months or something, but I could see a good little reign for Shelton even if Orton was to win it back. Sadly...Jericho is almost in that level where he really shouldn't hold the IC Title but at the same token he could aim for the World Title...but he shouldn't win it either right yet. He needs something high profile and booked to perfection to get the fans to buy him as a big threat and a great champion. Also, having him as the face World Champ and NOT Benoit would be an odd sight to see, as I want to see Benoit stay in the ME picture for as long as possible (though after HHH wins back the title...he could feud with Jericho and actually put him over, as then Benoit and HBK have a good place to do their one-on-one feud). No way...I actually LIKE orton having a long run. Keep the title on him as long as possible. Benjamin will ALWAYS have the "I beat HHH twice" card in his favor...no one else will ever get that status... Jericho would just be another person to put over Orton...Jericho doesn't need the title...While a short brief stint with Benoit's title reign would be great...i doubt it. Orton should run with the title for at least another 6 months. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kahran Ramsus 0 Report post Posted May 19, 2004 Let's not act as if Benoit's reactions are 100% gold. For as many good reactions as he's gotten on Raw since he jumped, he's also had some negative reactions when pitted against Shawn Michaels - or, in fact, no reaction at all. And there are times when the same is true for Michaels, including at the biggest show of the year in the WWE's home arena. Like I hinted at above, we are at the point where certain wrestlers are over regionally. Benoit is more popular in the northeast, Canada and in the Carolinas & Georgia. Michaels is more popular in the southwest, midwest and Texas. It works for other guys too. Look at how much bigger the pops for RVD are when he is in the former ECW strongholds. The only guys who seem to be consistant these days are HHH & Kane. Put HBK & Benoit in Boston and they will get a different reaction than in Phoenix. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Choken One Report post Posted May 19, 2004 I'd be hesistant about declaring HHH/HBK a "flop" as a draw as there is evidence for both sides, but that's not the annoying thing about all this. What's annoying is that these two have been pestering each other for nearly two years now, which in WWE-land is an eternity. Unless you're some total Clique mark then you have to admit it's getting to be rather trite. What's it going to take for them to move on? One of them dying? (And no, this is not an opening for tasteless jokes) well...the all time lowest buy rate is the HHH/HBK Headlined Armageddon (though im sure the recent J.D went lower)... I don't recall any support for them... HHH didn't draw last year when he squashed the entire card...Shawn didn't draw in his hey-day (he did outdraw Nash but Bret outdrew Shawn)... So what supports them? HHH/HBK-12/29 didn't garner huge ratings dispite 2 weeks of hype...and while Benoit/Shawn was considered a disapointment it still drew more... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest wildpegasus Report post Posted May 19, 2004 EDIT TWO: Wasn't Benoit on RAW the night after the Rumble? If so, he couldn't have wrestled A-Train. That's after the 2003 Royal Rumble. It looks like I have to do some updating to my Official Chris Benoit Standing Ovation List. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TigerDriver91 Report post Posted May 19, 2004 If Randy Orton defended his precious IC title more then maybe I would actually give a damn about his reign. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Amazing Rando 0 Report post Posted May 19, 2004 Orton has had a long run by today's standards...having him lose it for two months isn't going to destroy his credibility...and he'd probalby be even more over as a heel when he won it back because of the dastardly heel things he would do to try and get it back would be alot better than the dastardly heel things he does to keep it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Choken One Report post Posted May 19, 2004 He defended it twice in the last month...so it's not like he's at TBS level here. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lil' Bitch 0 Report post Posted May 19, 2004 Orton should drop it at Bad Blood, he's had it long enough. Shelton is over and he's a great talent (IMO), he might as well get it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Mulatto Heat Report post Posted May 19, 2004 HHH/HBK-12/29 didn't garner huge ratings dispite 2 weeks of hype... Actually, the overrun that week got something in the mid-4s, despite a 3.7 overall for the show. SummerSlam and Survivor Series 2002 did good business although a stacked card and a new gimmick can take a good bulk of the credit as they were determining factors. But yes, Armageddon 2002 is good support for the contrary stance, as well as the pitiful amounts of people watching RAW around that time (3.1 for the RAW just before Survivor Series, HBK's first match on RAW in 4 years against RVD getting the lowest rating for a main event in years). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kahran Ramsus 0 Report post Posted May 19, 2004 Kane certainly drew last summer, that's plainly obvious. I'm not so sure he is still a good draw, but it is certainly worth checking out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
