Firestarter 0 Report post Posted June 15, 2004 If I were Kerry at this point, I'd be promising McCain as much promiscuous anal sex as he wants in exchange for him becoming the VP Why, if you were Kerry, would you be promising anything to someone you didn't think would run on your ticket under any imaginable circumstances? Your initial disclaimer was toothless; the rest of your post betrayed your rather pathetic excitement at a ridiculous impossibility. Not to mention your follow-up post, in which you said If, at the convention, Kerry pulls the McCain rabbit out of his hat Next. Believe it or not, two people with names are not "unnamed democrat" Way to completely miss the point, which was: The "unnamed Democrat" thing was exactly parallel because it postulated hypothetical virtues in a candidate with no flaws. The parallel is drawn to McCain because the average Democrat does NOT know about his actual voting record, which the press rarely mentions in its eagerness to paint him as a rebel. THAT is why he has your so-called "drawing power," and if he ever WERE to be on a ticket, his positions and record would be front and center, and he would lose all support from your side of the aisle in an instant. I'm well aware of the Senator's record; believe it or not, I actually like... FOLLOW these things Mike once said that your so-called "polisci professors" are depriving you of an education. I have nothing more to add. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dr. Tyler; Captain America 0 Report post Posted June 15, 2004 Why, if you were Kerry, would you be promising anything to someone you didn't think would run on your ticket under any imaginable circumstances? Because, as shown by the poll, he'd ruin Bush in the general election. Who cares if the man is a conservative in that case? The only way it'd ever matter is if Kerry were to die (again), or if there was a tied vote in the Senate. He's a figurehead that would help him get into office. Because, y'know, that'd be a bad idea... THAT is why he has your so-called "drawing power," and if he ever WERE to be on a ticket, his positions and record would be front and center, and he would lose all support from your side of the aisle in an instant. What, is the media all of a sudden going to start doing their job and reporting the fact that he's actually a staunch conservative? Fat chance. They're STILL going to paint him as a rebel, they're STILL going to show his glorious soundbites where he tears into Bush, and they're STILL going to play the war hero card. What, do you actually think anything more than a token 5% actually bothers to vote based on their principles? He'd draw more from across the aisle than he'd lose from the Democratic base. Mike once said that your so-called "polisci professors" are depriving you of an education. I have nothing more to add. Have I ever mentioned how beautiful you are when you're hysterical? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted June 15, 2004 Because, as shown by the poll, he'd ruin Bush in the general election. Who cares if the man is a conservative in that case? The only way it'd ever matter is if Kerry were to die (again), or if there was a tied vote in the Senate. He's a figurehead that would help him get into office. Man, I should be paid for doing the job your profs are failing to do. Tyler --- theoretical tickets always poll better than REAL ones. That's why, say, Colin Powell was always said to be able to annihilate Clinton in an election. Because when something doesn't really exist --- such as a Kerry/McCain ticket --- voters can have them believe WHATEVER they want them to believe. It's when issues get discussed and stands get made that the problems arise. That, and neither man has enough charisma to get elected sexiest former Vietnam vet --- much less President. What, is the media all of a sudden going to start doing their job and reporting the fact that he's actually a staunch conservative? Fat chance. They're STILL going to paint him as a rebel, they're STILL going to show his glorious soundbites where he tears into Bush, and they're STILL going to play the war hero card. What, do you actually think anything more than a token 5% actually bothers to vote based on their principles? He'd draw more from across the aisle than he'd lose from the Democratic base. You seem to ignore one thing. McCain doesn't draw Republican votes nationally. 2000 showed that. He wins when Democrats are allowed to vote in Republican primaries. When the primary is closed to only party members --- well, he tends to get waxed. -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kkktookmybabyaway 0 Report post Posted June 15, 2004 Or when George W. HITLER has Karl Rove calling up S.C. voters saying the McCain thinks cancer is the shiznit... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Firestarter 0 Report post Posted June 15, 2004 he'd ruin Bush in the general election. Who cares if the man is a conservative in that case? The only way it'd ever matter is if Kerry were to die... He's a figurehead So, let's see. You want John McCain on your ticket, presumably because voters respect him for his perceived honesty, straightforwardness, and the courage to stick to his principles. And for him to sign on to your ticket would comprise selling out the pro-life movement, the Second Amendment advocates, consumer advocates and the industrial lobbies, in favour of NARAL, the Brady Act, and labour unions. In effect selling out his principles, dishonestly and deviously compromising everything he's worked for his entire life in order to get a man whose policies he DOES NOT AGREE WITH into the highest office in the land. And you think he'd still win people over. Huh. What, is the media all of a sudden going to start doing their job and reporting the fact that he's actually a staunch conservative? Fat chance And you think the press is SO biased in your favour it wouldn't even bother to note any contradictions between his record and a hypothetical opposing-party platform for the presidency of the United States of America? Even I'm not that cynical. I think the main point of this discussion, Tyler, is that you're just really, really dumb. You're like a little schoolgirl clapping her hands bouncing up and down and shrieking over a toy pony you got in a big cardboard box, telling Mummy and Daddy how you're going to take it out for a gallop in the meadow behind the house, brush its mane and feed it oats and sugarcubes. Only problem is, it doesn't have articulated joints so it can't gallop, its mane is made of moulded plastic, and it doesn't have a mouth, much less a digestive system. So you're basically just stuck in your living room, rocking back and forth in a puerile daydream. Kind of like your nominee. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted June 15, 2004 he'd ruin Bush in the general election. Who cares if the man is a conservative in that case? The only way it'd ever matter is if Kerry were to die... He's a figurehead So, let's see. You want John McCain on your ticket, presumably because voters respect him for his perceived honesty, straightforwardness, and the courage to stick to his principles. And for him to sign on to your ticket would comprise selling out the pro-life movement, the Second Amendment advocates, consumer advocates and the industrial lobbies, in favour of NARAL, the Brady Act, and labour unions. In effect selling out his principles, dishonestly and deviously compromising everything he's worked for his entire life in order to get a man whose policies he DOES NOT AGREE WITH into the highest office in the land. And you think he'd still win people over. Huh. Well, they got Lieberman to do that in 2000. What, is the media all of a sudden going to start doing their job and reporting the fact that he's actually a staunch conservative? Fat chance And you think the press is SO biased in your favour it wouldn't even bother to note any contradictions between his record and a hypothetical vice-presidential platform? Even I'm not that cynical. The press, no doubt, has a crush on the guy. But the question that people who love this must ask is What happens if they win? Let's say a Kerry/McCain ticket wins. What next? Will the left go nuts if McCain ever disagrees with Kerry? Will they respect him if he simply follows in lockstep with the undead Kerry? -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Firestarter 0 Report post Posted June 15, 2004 Well, they got Lieberman to do that in 2000. And we saw how well that worked... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted June 15, 2004 Well, they got Lieberman to do that in 2000. And we saw how well that worked... They just didn't know how to tap that Joe-mentum. -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
