Red Sox-Yankees Series

[Guest cpac]

Nocal Mike, please stop the insanity. Your coming off as by far the biggest hypocrite on this board. You hate the Yankees but you root for the A's, Redskins and the Kings. How many players on the A's were home grown talent on their team in the late 80's, early 90's? Welch? Stewart? Lansford? Phillips? Parker?

 

Onto the Kings. I am pretty sure you jumped on their bandwagon after 1998 because nobody was a kings fan before than. How many people on their team are home grown talent. HHHMMMMMM, Divac? NO. Bibby? NO. Webber? Hellz no. Bobby Jackson? NO. Miller? NO. That team looks like a sugerical operation gone wrong. They have yet to make the finals.

 

 

Ooooo and big words coming from a Redskins fan. Last time I checked the Redskins were the wannabe Yankees of the NFL. The only differences are that the Yankees win and barely waste money while the Redskins suck and go through money like water.

[KingPK 0]

Keep it civil, guys.

[Guest Anglesault]

Second, Moneyball was a #1 New York Times best-seller.

A ringing endorsement if there ever was one.

 

First off, its sickening to hear both the Yankees and Red Sox bitch when one piece of their team isn't absolutely perfect, and how it absolutely has to be replaced. Most teams don't have this luxury, or expect it.

 

We only demand replacements for people who have become liabilities.

 

I'm willing to bet that Nationally, the A's are one of the 5 most popular teams in the American League.

 

I'm willing to bet that Nationally, no matter how many times they have the "honor" of reaching the playoffs the last couple years, the A's are always near the bottom of the list when people put out their predictions for the world championship.

 

The A's are a sideshow. It's a nice story to watch the cheap team prove that money doesn't mean anything by outlasting some more expensive teams.

 

And then, every year, inevitatbly, they lose to the better team, and somehow America gets over the heartbreak and moves on.

 

The real TEAMS? You call the Yankees a team?

Oh and calling the Red Sox a real team is even funnier,

 

Watch that game last night and try saying either group is not a team. Two groups of twenty-five men (Yankees) and twenty four men (Nomar is scum) working together like that for over four hours fighting tooth and nail are teams.

[EVIL~! alkeiper 0]

Nocal Mike, please stop the insanity. Your coming off as by far the biggest hypocrite on this board. You hate the Yankees but you root for the A's, Redskins and the Kings. How many players on the A's were home grown talent on their team in the late 80's, early 90's? Welch? Stewart? Lansford? Phillips? Parker?

 

Jose Canseco, Mark McGwire, Walt Weiss, Terry Steinbach were home grown. Dave Stewart was released mid-season by the Phillies, and the A's got him for the minimum. The A's gave up Jose Rijo to get Dave Parker. Carney Lansford cost them Tony Armas Sr. The A's gave up Kevin Tapani, Wally Whitehurst, Alfredo Griffin, and Jay Howell to get Bob Welch. Tony Phillips signed for $200,000. Rick Honeycutt cost them Tim Belcher. They got Dennis Eckersley for a collection of minor leaguers.

 

Yep, sure looks like a store-bought team to me.

[EVIL~! alkeiper 0]

A ringing endorsement if there ever was one.

 

Do lots of people often buy books about people and subjects they care little about?

 

I'm willing to bet that Nationally, no matter how many times they have the "honor" of reaching the playoffs the last couple years, the A's are always near the bottom of the list when people put out their predictions for the world championship.

 

Are any playoff predictions ever consistantly accurate? Who picked the Angels in '02, or the Marlins last year? The playoffs are more random than anything else.

[Guest Anglesault]

A ringing endorsement if there ever was one.

 

Do lots of people often buy books about people and subjects they care little about?

People can buy books on tips and hype and word of mouth and never actually get around to reading it, or read two chapters and decide it's a piece shit and toss it away. People can pick up a book because it looks vaguely interesting or it's cheap or it's THERE. Book sales are by no means a decisive way to determine interest.

 

Are any playoff predictions ever consistantly accurate

 

I didn't ask you that question. I asked you how many people cared enough about the Oakland A's to want them to win the world series and genuinely think that they have a better chance that anyone else.

[sfaJack 0]

The playoffs are more random than anything else.

Hmmm...so would the Yankees of '98, '99, and '00 (even '01) be considered "random" champions? Arizona with the best 1-2 pitching punch in '01?

 

Everyone loves to scream "Angels!" and "Marlins!" when talking about random, unpredictable champions. But everyone forgets that the Angels won 99 games in 2002 and that the Marlins were the best team in all of baseball from late May to the end of last year. Not exactly "random" teams in my book.

 

If the baseball playoffs were best of 3 or even a single game, I'd buy into the theory that the playoffs are random as all the Moneyball-brainwashed people believe. There is some merit to that theory, but when you win 4 of 7 from a particular team, it's almost always a good indicator of which is the better team.

 

Luck can win you one or two games...it's unlikely to win 4 of 7, for two series in a row.

[Jericholic82 0]

anglesault, you are the only one to speak the truth. man what a game last night too bad I coudnt see it but the highlights were awesome (I taped it from espn)

 

 

 

Michael Kay: A deep shot to left and the yankees are goign to win the game THE YANKEES WIN THE GAME THE YANKEES WIN THE GAME CAIRO SCORES THE YANKEES WIN THE GAME THE YANKEES WIN THE GAME AND THEY SWEEP THE BOSTON RED SOX OHHH THIS IS THE GREATEST GAME YOULL EVER SEE

 

 

 

and the lead espn story was freakin lakers crap WHO CARES THEY ARE FINISHED

[Brett Favre 0]

Anyone get a chance to listen to the call Charley Steiner and John Sterling made on the double play that was thought to be a triple play? That was great how slow it took them to figure out why it was only a double play. Great game though. Best regular season game i've seen since the Yankee/Met Matt Franco game.

Edited July 2, 2004 by Cena's Writer

[Art Sandusky 0]

Yeah, that was rather sickening how Laker talk got billing over more pressing matters like a season that's still going.

[Der Kommissar 0]

It happens. I remember watching ESPN News once during the NBA and NHL Playoffs and their lead story was about a Brewers game because somebody hit for the cycle. I just sat there thinking, "But it's the Brewers, who gives a fuck?" I believe the Brewers game got more time than both the NBA and NHL games combined. Sure, maybe if it was the Yankees or a large market team, I can see it getting the time, but the highlights of an otherwise forgettable Brewers game getting more time than the playoffs of two other sports? Riiiight.

[NoCalMike 0]

Nocal Mike, please stop the insanity.   Your coming off as by far the biggest hypocrite on this board.  You hate the Yankees but you root for the A's, Redskins and the Kings.   How many players on the A's were home grown talent on their team in the late 80's, early 90's?   Welch?  Stewart?   Lansford?   Phillips? Parker? 

 

Onto the Kings.  I am pretty sure you jumped on their bandwagon after 1998 because nobody was a kings fan before than.   How many people on their team are home grown talent.  HHHMMMMMM, Divac? NO.   Bibby?  NO.   Webber?   Hellz no.   Bobby Jackson?   NO.   Miller?   NO.    That team looks like a sugerical operation gone wrong.  They have yet to make the finals.

 

 

Ooooo and big words coming from a Redskins fan.   Last time I checked the Redskins were the wannabe Yankees of the NFL.  The only differences are that the Yankees win and barely waste money while the Redskins suck and go through money like water.

Well the A's have already been explain by another poster so I will handle the Kings and the Redskins....

 

 

And in case you didn't get the MAIN POINT of my original post, my main beef is with the Red Sox who want everyone to feel sorry for the "lovable losers" and I prefer just to take the "lovable" part out of it, because they are just Yankees-lite in the way they spend money.

 

Kings - well I live in Sacramento, so naturally I have been a fan since I started watching basketball, after I got over my obsession with Dominique Wilkins. I dunno, supporting the hometown team seems kind of novel, right? Also, the Grizzlies called the Kings wanting to unload Bibby for Jason Williams, not the other way around. And once again the NBA has a cap, so the rules are different because franchises have to do a lot of wheeling and dealing rather then simply start writing blank checks. Trading for players, is strategy, you are always giving up something to get something. Can you understand the difference here? Different leagues, different rules, apples and oranges my friend.

 

Secondly, for the Skins. There is a cap in the NFL in case you didn't know, so every team spends roughly the same on their roster give or take a few million, so there isn't 50+ millon disparigies in salaries. So as far as being "wannabe Yankees" as you so profoundly put it, the NFL would have to get rid of the salary cap.

 

 

As far as Oakland being a sideshow, they are one of the most winning franchises over the past 30 years, and their 4 World Series Championships ranks second behind only the Yankees.

 

 

And don't try to sell me that the Yankees "barely waste money" Hell they pay guys more to sit on the bench and pinch hit, then other teams do for starters. They sign guys to sit on the bench just so other teams can't sign a role player that might help them take that next step.

[NoCalMike 0]

Watch that game last night and try saying either group is not a team. Two groups of twenty-five men (Yankees) and twenty four men (Nomar is scum) working together like that for over four hours fighting tooth and nail are teams.

....and that somehow differs from ANY OTHER TEAM IN THE LEAGUE how!?!

[NoCalMike 0]

First off, its sickening to hear both the Yankees and Red Sox bitch when one piece of their team isn't absolutely perfect, and how it absolutely has to be replaced. Most teams don't have this luxury, or expect it.

 

We only demand replacements for people who have become liabilities.

 

Typical Yankees elitist, "if there is price tag, we will buy it" bullshit.....Azif it is that hard to imagine GOOD teams with a #9 hitter being an easy out most of the time.

[Bored 0]

The playoffs are more random than anything else.

Hmmm...so would the Yankees of '98, '99, and '00 (even '01) be considered "random" champions? Arizona with the best 1-2 pitching punch in '01?

 

Everyone loves to scream "Angels!" and "Marlins!" when talking about random, unpredictable champions. But everyone forgets that the Angels won 99 games in 2002 and that the Marlins were the best team in all of baseball from late May to the end of last year. Not exactly "random" teams in my book.

 

If the baseball playoffs were best of 3 or even a single game, I'd buy into the theory that the playoffs are random as all the Moneyball-brainwashed people believe. There is some merit to that theory, but when you win 4 of 7 from a particular team, it's almost always a good indicator of which is the better team.

 

Luck can win you one or two games...it's unlikely to win 4 of 7, for two series in a row.

Never heard of sample sizes, eh?

 

Anyways since division play began in 1969 only eight teams who had the best regular season record in the Majors went on to win the World Series, the last being the '98 Yankees. The Yankees most recent title, 2000, they won only 87 games which was only the 5th best record in the A.L. and 9th overall. That seems pretty random. The last four World Series champs did not have one of the two best records in their league.

[EVIL~! alkeiper 0]

Bored beat me to it. Seven games is hardly convincing. It takes a full season for the real differences in teams to appear.

 

Look at the season standings. There's a column listing each team's record over the last ten games. Are these a solid indicator of the best teams in baseball? Hardly.

[Guest Anglesault]

 

First off, its sickening to hear both the Yankees and Red Sox bitch when one piece of their team isn't absolutely perfect, and how it absolutely has to be replaced. Most teams don't have this luxury, or expect it.

 

We only demand replacements for people who have become liabilities.

 

Typical Yankees elitist, "if there is price tag, we will buy it" bullshit.....Azif it is that hard to imagine GOOD teams with a #9 hitter being an easy out most of the time.

Lord knows Pokey Reese and Miguel Cairo (Boston's 9 hitter and New York's respectively) have been run out of town lately.

 

The only time Yankee fans really go ballistic and demand that someone leave is if they have no redeeming qualities. Like Jeff Weaver. Fans of every team do that.

[Precious Roy 0]

You can say whatever you want about the Yankees spending the most money, but they also MAKE the most money. They have the largest market to pull from and Steinbrenner is a great businessman. The Yankees spend money to make MORE money, it's simple economics. There are rich owners out there who aren't willing to take risks and spend the money it takes to win, and in the end it's winning that makes teams profitable. Last time I checked they weren't breaking any rules and baseball wasn't a communist sport, all's fair in love and baseball.

 

First off, its sickening to hear both the Yankees and Red Sox bitch when one piece of their team isn't absolutely perfect, and how it absolutely has to be replaced. Most teams don't have this luxury, or expect it.

 

Personally, I'll go to war with the team the Yankees have. I LOVE guys like Wilson and Cairo and Tony Clark and Ruben Sierra. I LOVE Brad Halsey and Sturtze and want the Yankees to keep them on the roster. I think the Yankees are better off with a Cairo/Wilson platoon then they would be getting a guy like Hairston Jr. or whoever. Cairo and Wilson play hard and smart and it's role players like that who you need in the playoffs. I don't think they NEED to go out and get a top 2B or P to win, but that's out of my control, it's the Yankees front office who makes those decisions and if they make a move to bring someone in I'll welcome them with open arms.

[Art Sandusky 0]

I think what he meant by a random team winning was someone you didn't expect going into the season. Like if the Devil Rays won this year or something.

[EVIL~! alkeiper 0]

Not quite. What I mean is that you're no more likely to accurately predict the playoffs by spending hours analyzing players than you are by simply flipping a coin.

[Guest DubWiser]

That would be Glenn Ordway, better known as Big-O

 

I was under the impression that THE NIPPLE~!'s version was just a take-off of the original, brought to you by that Weiner Whiner Line luminary...that one guy who yells (MENDOZAAAH!!! etc).

 

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[KingPK 0]

Another series this weekend, so bumpity-bumpity.

[EVIL~! alkeiper 0]

What's wrong with starting a new thread. Are threads really so scarce that we need to bump week old threads to accomidate discussion?

[Guest FrigidSoul]

I think its more along the way that we can easily go back and reference some earlier thoughts that may have something to do with this series. If anything the thread could be renamed to "Red Sox-Yankees Regular Season Series 2004"

[Guest Anglesault]

I'm so not looking forward to this.

[Guest GreatOne]

C'mon Sault you're seven up, the Red Sox have been barely able to hold off the freakin M's (Joel Piniero next great ace MY ASS!!!!!). Even if the Sox do anything this weekend it won't mean jack in the long run.

[Guest Anglesault]

There is nothing fun about watching your team face Curt Schilling.

 

I think we may be feeding Sturtze to the wolves on Saturday

 

I'm really, really, REALLY not in the mood for another Contreras/Sox adventure.

[Guest Anglesault]

Yay and all that.

 

Schilling crying on the bench after the game was awesome.

[Guest Anglesault]

Edited July 24, 2004 by Anglesault

[EVIL~! alkeiper 0]

Since Schilling himself beat the Yankees in 2001, does that really apply?

 

In the future, please refrain these postings to a single thread.