Eddie & Angle has an "altercation" backstage...

[Brett Favre 0]

Uh, let's just remember that Kurt was at Olympic standard almost TEN YEARS AGO. He has said himself that if he even went anywhere near the Olympics these days, he'd have his sorry ass served to him in about 30 seconds. Kurt is a phenomial wrestler, but no way in hell is he as good as he used to be.

 

He'd still kill Eddie though.

In an amatuer wrestling contest. Not in a street fight.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

Considering that two of the guys Angle faced and beat in amateur wrestling competition were Mark Kerr and Mark Coleman (Hey, if this were a few years ago those names would impress people ), and those guys won their fights with little more than their wrestling skills, I'd say that one shouldn't discount Angles wrestling abilities in a legit fight. Mark Kerr didn't even have a fighters mentality (kill!kill!kill!) and he still had a measure of success in the fight world because of his physical skills and ability to overpower and control others.

 

I think Angle could pop Eddies head off if he wanted to.

[The Niggardly King 0]

People act like Eddie is some backstage offical or something. HE KNOWS HOW TO WRESTLE. And i'm pretty sure he knows how to fist fight as well. Eddie's quick as hell too, and has the wrestling training to escape from those deadly body to body takedowns that might kill him.

Interesting fact -- Eddie said a lot of his first matches were like fistfights.

And i'm pretty sure Angle's never felt a fist pop him right in the face before.

Hey, he took some stiff shots from RVD before....

 

Angle vs Eddie would be a good fight to watch, Eddie could proabilly last longer than most people think, but I'd still go with Angle.

[Guest Anglesault]

I'm guessing Eddie has more experiences fighting other people that can wrestle too than Kurt.

 

As well as Kurt?

 

Highly unlikely.

Probably not, but Kurt Angle isn't god

No, he's an Olympic Gold Medalist. If Eddie can outwrestle Kurt as easily as you claim he could, he should seriously consider China in 2008.

Yeah, that's what I said. Eddie can outwrestle Kurt. Thanks for reminding me.

 

I never said that.

People act like Eddie is some backstage offical or something. HE KNOWS HOW TO WRESTLE. And i'm pretty sure he knows how to fist fight as well. Eddie's quick as hell too, and has the wrestling training to escape from those deadly body to body takedowns that might kill him.

Again, where does I say that he'd out wrestle Kurt?

Yes, I'm sorry. You didn't say he'd beat him. You implied that he'd hold his own. With an Olympic Gold Medalist.

 

Lunging doesn't necessarily mean he's swinging. It just means he's thrusting foward. I don't think he tried punching him.

 

Ah yes, he lunging doesn't mean he was throwing a punch. In reality, he planned on hitting a spear, screaming in Spanish, climbing to the top of video equiptment and hitting the frog splash.

 

What, exactly, did he intend to do when he was "thrusting forward?"

[Guest wildpegasus]

There's a difference between lunging and just swinging right out,

The hell?

 

When you lunge you are swinging out right. He wasn't flapping his wings at Angle. Lunging is rearing back and throwing a punch.

 

 

I always thought lunging was just going in and trying to take your opponent to the ground. If I threw a punch I would never think of it as lunging.

[Brett Favre 0]

Considering that two of the guys Angle faced and beat in amateur wrestling competition were Mark Kerr and Mark Coleman (Hey, if this were a few years ago those names would impress people ), and those guys won their fights with little more than their wrestling skills, I'd say that one shouldn't discount Angles wrestling abilities in a legit fight. Mark Kerr didn't even have a fighters mentality (kill!kill!kill!) and he still had a measure of success in the fight world because of his physical skills and ability to overpower and control others.

 

I think Angle could pop Eddies head off if he wanted to.

Sometimes Strength doesn't win all fights. Usually the smarter, quicker, and more skilled fighter wins. Of course Kurt is a more skilled wrestler, but I doubt he's as skilled of a fighter as Eddie.

[The Niggardly King 0]

The real question is can Angle take on an intoxicated Eddie?

[Brett Favre 0]

I'm guessing Eddie has more experiences fighting other people that can wrestle too than Kurt.

 

As well as Kurt?

 

Highly unlikely.

Probably not, but Kurt Angle isn't god

No, he's an Olympic Gold Medalist. If Eddie can outwrestle Kurt as easily as you claim he could, he should seriously consider China in 2008.

Yeah, that's what I said. Eddie can outwrestle Kurt. Thanks for reminding me.

 

I never said that.

People act like Eddie is some backstage offical or something. HE KNOWS HOW TO WRESTLE. And i'm pretty sure he knows how to fist fight as well. Eddie's quick as hell too, and has the wrestling training to escape from those deadly body to body takedowns that might kill him.

Again, where does I say that he'd out wrestle Kurt?

Yes, I'm sorry. You didn't say he'd beat him. You implied that he'd hold his own. With an Olympic Gold Medalist.

 

Lunging doesn't necessarily mean he's swinging. It just means he's thrusting foward. I don't think he tried punching him.

 

Ah yes, he lunging doesn't mean he was throwing a punch. In reality, he planned on hitting a spear, screaming in Spanish, climbing to the top of video equiptment and hitting the frog splash.

 

What, exactly, did he intend to do when he was "thrusting forward?"

Again, where does it say that lunging means punching? It doesn't. He could have lunged to choke him for all I know.

[Guest BrokenWings]

Sometimes Strength doesn't win all fights. Usually the smarter, quicker, and more skilled fighter wins. Of course Kurt is a more skilled wrestler, but I doubt he's as skilled of a fighter as Eddie.

 

Pretty sure I'd rank Angle as "smarter" as well. You don't wrestle that long, and become an Olympic Gold Medalist without knowing all the holds/counters in the books.

[Guest BrokenWings]

He could have lunged to choke him for all I know.

 

Exactly. Regardless of what he was attempting to do, it didn't work.

[Hektik 0]

You must have never been in a frontfacelock before.

Actually, I have

 

As far as Eddy vs Kurt, I don't know who would win. In the argument of wrestlers kicking ass, I add this, just because Kurt was a wrestler doesn't mean he is a dominating fighter. If that were the case then wrestlers would be able to walk into an MMA promotion and dominate. But that is not the case and wrestlers have to do more training different forms of martial arts to even compete in MMA.

[Guest wildpegasus]

People act like Eddie is some backstage offical or something. HE KNOWS HOW TO WRESTLE. And i'm pretty sure he knows how to fist fight as well. Eddie's quick as hell too, and has the wrestling training to escape from those deadly body to body takedowns that might kill him.

Interesting fact -- Eddie said a lot of his first matches were like fistfights.

He was probably high or drunk or something.

No, it was something like Eddie's matches being or feeling like fistfights because of his opponents giving a hard time. They thought that Eddie's name might give him a spot on the card he didn't deserve.

[Brett Favre 0]

Sometimes Strength doesn't win all fights. Usually the smarter, quicker, and more skilled fighter wins. Of course Kurt is a more skilled wrestler, but I doubt he's as skilled of a fighter as Eddie.

 

Pretty sure I'd rank Angle as "smarter" as well. You don't wrestle that long, and become an Olympic Gold Medalist without knowing all the holds/counters in the books.

And i'm pretty sure Eddie's a smarter street fighter with punches, elbows, knees, etc.

[Brett Favre 0]

He could have lunged to choke him for all I know.

 

Exactly. Regardless of what he was attempting to do, it didn't work.

Again, I think both of them were holding back.

[Guest wildpegasus]

You must have never been in a frontfacelock before.

Actually, I have

 

Than the facelock wasn't applied very well. Trust me on this one.

[Lt. Al Giardello 0]

You don't realize that the fight problay wont go to punching and kicking.

 

Angle could very well easily take his legs out and pound his head in.

[Guest BrokenWings]

As far as Eddy vs Kurt, I don't know who would win.  In the argument of wrestlers kicking ass, I add this, just because Kurt was a wrestler doesn't mean he is a dominating fighter.  If that were the case then wrestlers would be able to walk into an MMA promotion and dominate.  But that is not the case and wrestlers have to do more training different forms of martial arts to even compete in MMA.

 

Ah right, I had forgotten Eddie's background in MMA training. I'm not really sure what you're point is, we're not arguing he could go take on Cro Crop, or whomever, we're debating if he could take Eddie. Which I believe he could, but to each his own.

[Guest wildpegasus]

He could have lunged to choke him for all I know.

 

Exactly. Regardless of what he was attempting to do, it didn't work.

Again, I think both of them were holding back.

No doubt both of them were holding back.

[Guest BrokenWings]

Sometimes Strength doesn't win all fights. Usually the smarter, quicker, and more skilled fighter wins. Of course Kurt is a more skilled wrestler, but I doubt he's as skilled of a fighter as Eddie.

 

Pretty sure I'd rank Angle as "smarter" as well. You don't wrestle that long, and become an Olympic Gold Medalist without knowing all the holds/counters in the books.

And i'm pretty sure Eddie's a smarter street fighter with punches, elbows, knees, etc.

I'd assume it be rather difficult to throw knees from your back.

 

Regardless, it's a moot point. We don't, and most likely won't ever get a "conclusive" answer to this.

[Brett Favre 0]

You don't realize that the fight problay wont go to punching and kicking.

 

Angle could very well easily take his legs out and pound his head in.

Eddie can to.

[Lt. Al Giardello 0]

Eddie's anger would not help him anyway. Anger makes you fight worse, because you don't think. You just go crazy your likely to lose, where as if your calm and you think while you fight, your likely to win.

 

I know from experince.

[Brett Favre 0]

Eddie's anger would not help him anyway. Anger makes you fight worse, because you don't think. You just go crazy your likely to lose, where as if your calm and you think while you fight, your likely to win.

 

I know from experince.

And Kurt Angle is going to be happy skipping around?

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

Sometimes Strength doesn't win all fights. Usually the smarter, quicker, and more skilled fighter wins. Of course Kurt is a more skilled wrestler, but I doubt he's as skilled of a fighter as Eddie.

 

Any skill Eddie has would be neutralized as soon as Angle gets his hands on him. I cannot stress enough how important controlling another persons body is on the ground - that's what Kurt has been taught his entire life, and his grip strength is probably off the charts. If he got Eddie in even a headlock, Eddie is fucked. Angle could put Eddie in a position (on his back) where punches mean very little and where Kurt could have free reign in pounding or submitting.

 

The only people who can beat a wrestler like Kurt Angle is someone who is equally skilled but in submissions, or who can avoid a takedown and knock him out. Eddie wouldn't be able to avoid Kurts takedowns and Eddie is no Frank Shamrock (Kevin Jackson) or Antonio Rodrigo Noguiera (Mark Coleman) or Murillo Bustamante (Matt Lindland)

[The Niggardly King 0]

The word was that Angle grabbed Eddie in a face lock and took him down to the ground, incapacitating him

 

I know we're talking about holding back, but it's funny to read this while talking about who would win in a fight.

 

I know this isn't proven, but it makes it seem like Eddie was just standing there, and Kurt grabs him into a front facelock, and takes him down. Makes it seem like Eddie was just standing there, and only getting verbal, but not physical

[Guest BrokenWings]

Eddie's anger would not help him anyway. Anger makes you fight worse, because you don't think. You just go crazy your likely to lose, where as if your calm and you think while you fight, your likely to win.

 

I know from experince.

And Kurt Angle is going to be happy skipping around?

Every move Kurt did/does it most likely a calm, thought over manuever. He has to think ahead, something a raging Eddie would likely forget, and simply go about "lunging" at Kurt.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

As far as Eddy vs Kurt, I don't know who would win. In the argument of wrestlers kicking ass, I add this, just because Kurt was a wrestler doesn't mean he is a dominating fighter. If that were the case then wrestlers would be able to walk into an MMA promotion and dominate. But that is not the case and wrestlers have to do more training different forms of martial arts to even compete in MMA.

 

Mark Kerr, Mark Coleman, and Randy Couture went into MMA with very little to _no_ knowledge in anything other than wrestling. Do not underestimate wrestling as a fighting form. It is one of the oldest forms of combat in the history of man.

[Brett Favre 0]

Sometimes Strength doesn't win all fights. Usually the smarter, quicker, and more skilled fighter wins. Of course Kurt is a more skilled wrestler, but I doubt he's as skilled of a fighter as Eddie.

 

Any skill Eddie has would be neutralized as soon as Angle gets his hands on him. I cannot stress enough how important controlling another persons body is on the ground - that's what Kurt has been taught his entire life, and his grip strength is probably off the charts. If he got Eddie in even a headlock, Eddie is fucked. Angle could put Eddie in a position (on his back) where punches mean very little and where Kurt could have free reign in pounding or submitting.

 

The only people who can beat a wrestler like Kurt Angle is someone who is equally skilled but in submissions, or who can avoid a takedown and knock him out. Eddie wouldn't be able to avoid Kurts takedowns and Eddie is no Frank Shamrock (Kevin Jackson) or Antonio Rodrigo Noguiera (Mark Coleman) or Murillo Bustamante (Matt Lindland)

But there are also ways to avoid getting into that position. Eddie isn't a dumbass, and if he ever thought of fighting Kurt, i'm pretty sure he's thought about this. Kurt's strong, but he's also at risk of getting caught in a hold, it's not like Eddie is only trying to poke his eyes out.

 

There was that incident where Taker choked out Kurt, in an airplane or whatever, don't know if it's true, but..yeah Taker is taller and stronger than Eddie, but it's not impossible to take down a very well trained wrestler.

[Brett Favre 0]

Eddie's anger would not help him anyway. Anger makes you fight worse, because you don't think. You just go crazy your likely to lose, where as if your calm and you think while you fight, your likely to win.

 

I know from experince.

And Kurt Angle is going to be happy skipping around?

Every move Kurt did/does it most likely a calm, thought over manuever. He has to think ahead, something a raging Eddie would likely forget, and simply go about "lunging" at Kurt.

The incident that just happened IMO wouldn't prove who'd win, because like I said, both were most likely holding back.

[Guest wildpegasus]

Sometimes Strength doesn't win all fights. Usually the smarter, quicker, and more skilled fighter wins. Of course Kurt is a more skilled wrestler, but I doubt he's as skilled of a fighter as Eddie.

 

Any skill Eddie has would be neutralized as soon as Angle gets his hands on him.  I cannot stress enough how important controlling another persons body is on the ground - that's what Kurt has been taught his entire life, and his grip strength is probably off the charts.  If he got Eddie in even a headlock, Eddie is fucked.  Angle could put Eddie in a position (on his back) where punches mean very little and where Kurt could have free reign in pounding or submitting.

 

The only people who can beat a wrestler like Kurt Angle is someone who is equally skilled but in submissions, or who can avoid a takedown and knock him out.  Eddie wouldn't be able to avoid Kurts takedowns and Eddie is no Frank Shamrock (Kevin Jackson) or Antonio Rodrigo Noguiera (Mark Coleman) or Murillo Bustamante (Matt Lindland)

But there are also ways to avoid getting into that position. Eddie isn't a dumbass, and if he ever thought of fighting Kurt, i'm pretty sure he's thought about this. Kurt's strong, but he's also at risk of getting caught in a hold, it's not like Eddie is only trying to poke his eyes out.

 

There was that incident where Taker choked out Kurt, in an airplane or whatever, don't know if it's true, but..yeah Taker is taller and stronger than Eddie, but it's not impossible to take down a very well trained wrestler.

I think the Undertaker situation was from behind though and I'm guessing it was just a joke.

 

I believe Eddie does have some submission knowledge but I'm not sure how much.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

But there are also ways to avoid getting into that position.

 

No, there isn't. Not against someone like Angle. You are dramatically underestimating Kurts skill here. There is 100% certainty that Angle could take Eddie down. There is 100% certainty that he would control Eddie when he's down. The only uncertainty is how Kurt would finish it and how much pain Eddie can take and Kurts willing to give.

 

Eddie isn't a dumbass, and if he ever thought of fighting Kurt, i'm pretty sure he's thought about this. Kurt's strong, but he's also at risk of getting caught in a hold, it's not like Eddie is only trying to poke his eyes out.

 

Good to know Eddie is a black belt in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu. Cause, like, that's the only way he'd be able to have a chance to sub Angle.

 

There was that incident where Taker choked out Kurt, in an airplane or whatever, don't know if it's true, but..yeah Taker is taller and stronger than Eddie, but it's not impossible to take down a very well trained wrestler.

 

The situation was Kurt and Vince were "play wrestling" on the plane and Taker came up from behind him.