Raw in Exile

[Guest Loss]

I too got a big chuckle about Loss saying that we need to get prominent IWCers/wrestlers here, like TSM is some kind of business and we're trying to attract clientele rather than some site where a bunch of guys who like wrestling like to come and bullshit about wrestling/life/etc.

That's what real life is for. Go to ANY other message board on the Internet that isn't a spawn of this one. That excludes WDI and SNKT. There's not much "general chatting" going on. This board is unique in that, which I guess is something everyone likes.

 

For me, personally, this board gets a tad too self-referential at times. Posters talk about themselves and each other. If I had total control over this board as a whole, things would be much different, but I don't. I'd probably go so far as to issue bannings for name calling. I'd eliminate the HD folder. I'd combine all the wrestling folders into one folder, streamline the traffic and start getting rid of the people who deserve to be gone.

 

That said, I don't run the entire board, nor do I wish to do so. If I did, I'd venture to say, at most, we'd have about 1/8 of the registration we have now. The difference is that I'd consider that a major accomplishment while some would call it a failure.

 

As for the TSM business analogy, I don't give a shit if Dave Meltzer posts here or not. That's not what I was trying to say. I don't think we're trying to attract a clientele. But it makes me cringe when people say things to embarrass themselves, because it lumps us all in the same pile of shit and makes the entire board look really bad. What I was trying to say is that I'd like to have a board that, if a Dave Meltzer or Bryan Alvarez or whoever saw, they'd be _willing_ to post here. More specifically, if someone really insightful and smart with a lot of knowledge saw this board, he or she wouldn't run from it because there's more bad than good. This place is considered a mark site though, sadly, so that will never happen. People here have a tendency to look down on people with a lot of knowledge in a certain area. I would venture to say that for about 80% of the posters here who talk wrestling, they've only seen WWE 1998-present. We're populated with tons of casual fans, when the whole point of going online to talk wrestling is to avoid that sort of thing. Otherwise, why not talk to the guy next door who still wears his old NWO t-shirt?

 

All said, I understand that these are my concerns and they're shared with very few others, so I'm going to stop trying to force those views on others. This board is going to be what it's going to be. That just doesn't mean I have to like it.

[Guest Loss]

If you're going to stop jokes in the WWE Folder, when are you going to come down on the people who keep making mock HHH/Vince/Steph/JR convos as jokes?

 

Those things happen a lot more here than any other board I've been to.

For the millionth time, we didn't get rid of anyone for what they posted. It was because they were told not to do it anymore and did it anyway.

 

As for why it was even brought up in the first place, it's because Coffey complained. That's about as simplistic as it gets, but that's what happened. If someone else took the time to complain about the other stuff, it would probably yield results as well.

[Slayer 0]

I too got a big chuckle about Loss saying that we need to get prominent IWCers/wrestlers here, like TSM is some kind of business and we're trying to attract clientele rather than some site where a bunch of guys who like wrestling like to come and bullshit about wrestling/life/etc.

That's what real life is for.

1. What's wrong with bullshitting on a message board instead? (This is more a rhetorical question, since you answered that in the next paragraph)

 

2. I can count on one hand the number of people "in real life" I know who like/liked wrestling and could have any sort of a discussion, as opposed to the countless number of people on a MB.

 

For me, personally, this board gets a tad too self-referential at times. Posters talk about themselves and each other. If I had total control over this board as a whole, things would be much different, but I don't. I'd probably go so far as to issue bannings for name calling. I'd eliminate the HD folder.

I'm not liking this utopian vision of yours... of course I'm not one of your favorite type of posters either

 

I'd combine all the wrestling folders into one folder, streamline the traffic and start getting rid of the people who deserve to be gone.

That, I think, would be asking for trouble, because then you'd wind up having the WWE, NWA, puro and indy threads all meshed together into a big mess, not to mention the potential bickering between different factions, though if you're banning for simple name-calling, I guess it wouldn't be an issue, even if it doesn't leave much of a board (to me).

 

I don't think we're trying to attract a clientele.

 

What I was trying to say is that I'd like to have a board that, if a Dave Meltzer or Bryan Alvarez or whoever saw, they'd be _willing_ to post here.

But we're not trying to create an environment that would attract them, right?

 

I would venture to say that for about 80% of the posters here who talk wrestling, they've only seen WWE 1998-present.

Probably because 80% of the current WWE audience is from post-1998. Most of the old-school folk have either moved on or moved elsewhere (e.g. NWA, puro, etc.)

 

Why not talk to the guy next door who still wears his old NWO t-shirt?

Because he stinks funny

 

That actually reminds me of a time when I was wearing my NWO shirt (around '98 or so) and some old fat guy with bad hair and teeth tried to come up to me and strike up a wrestling conversation. I got the hell away from him.

 

As for why it was even brought up in the first place, it's because Coffey complained.

Show of hands: Who is surprised by this?

 

...Anyone?

 

...Beuhler?

 

I hope your list of people who have complained about the Czech-RRR type posts in the WWE folder is a lot longer than that

 

 

 

 

Damn this was a long post... very un-Slayer like

 

*spits water and puts himself over Alfdogg*

[The Czech Republic 0]

I would venture to say that for about 80% of the posters here who talk wrestling, they've only seen WWE 1998-present. We're populated with tons of casual fans, when the whole point of going online to talk wrestling is to avoid that sort of thing. Otherwise, why not talk to the guy next door who still wears his old NWO t-shirt?

Probably because I just saw him on the 10 o' clock news, he raped his wife and kicked his dog.

[Australian Pride 0]

I'd combine all the wrestling folders into one folder, streamline the traffic and start getting rid of the people who deserve to be gone.

That, I think, would be asking for trouble, because then you'd wind up having the WWE, NWA, puro and indy threads all meshed together into a big mess, not to mention the potential bickering between different factions, though if you're banning for simple name-calling, I guess it wouldn't be an issue, even if it doesn't leave much of a board (to me).

This I can easily agree with. I have been posting a bit at an Australian based wrestling site called wrestling.net.au (or WNA) which follows this motto of putting all wrestling in one folder, and it comes across at times as messy and gets irritating. The only thing kept seperate is that they have a special folder for spoilers, but again, it's all the spoilers from all areas of wrestling.

[Golgo 13 0]

Everything consolidated into one folder would be a mess on a board this large, but there's no reason some folders can't be eliminated. WWE, TNA, General, Tape Trading, and possibly a joint Misc. Promotions/Puroresu is all we need, I think.

[Guest Loss]

1. What's wrong with bullshitting on a message board instead? (This is more a rhetorical question, since you answered that in the next paragraph)

It's immature, it's a waste of time to those who read it and nothing substantial ever comes out of it. I'm all for people being fans and having fun. My problem with the way things are is that people who have good sigs or avatars or high post counts or are witty are held in high regard while no-frills posters who actually have something interesting to say are not. All the Coffey bashing proves that. No, I don't agree with a lot of things Coffey says. But I'd take a board full of people like him over a board full of people like a lot of you, if I'm being perfectly honest. The reason for that is that he's not concerned with drawing attention to himself, he's just here to talk about the subjects at hand.

 

Content isn't a dirty word. And YES, I'm a firm believer that EVERY post EVERYONE makes should have content. It's simple -- don't say anything if you have nothing to say. And yes, I'm guilty of occasionally making joke posts too, so I'm not trying to act like I'm above others in this regard.

 

2. I can count on one hand the number of people "in real life" I know who like/liked wrestling and could have any sort of a discussion, as opposed to the countless number of people on a MB.

 

This board is populated with WWE marks. Look at the OAO threads for proof. Do you seriously think you couldn't find people like that in real life?

 

I'm not liking this utopian vision of yours... of course I'm not one of your favorite type of posters either

 

That's because you try to play Joe Cool and look down on people who take the time to make long posts as people who need to get laid. At least that's the impression I get.

 

That, I think, would be asking for trouble, because then you'd wind up having the WWE, NWA, puro and indy threads all meshed together into a big mess, not to mention the potential bickering between different factions, though if you're banning for simple name-calling, I guess it wouldn't be an issue, even if it doesn't leave much of a board (to me).

 

The best boards online are not nearly as categorized as we are. Wrestling is wrestling, whether it takes place in WWE or NJ, or whether it happened on RAW or 30 years ago. I think the current structure discourages posters from comparing different eras in different promotions. As it stands, if someone wanted to compare the downfall of WWE to the downfall of WCW, point by point, since it's not a 100% WWE topic, they have to do it in General Wrestling. And WWE fans who may be interested in the topic would probably shun it if only because they don't frequent that folder as much. They may still think it's a topic of interest though. I'd rather have one folder that encompasses everything and accomplishes all goals for this very reason.

 

But we're not trying to create an environment that would attract them, right?

 

No, we're not. HOWEVER, *again*, if they saw this board, they wouldn't write us off as a bunch of stupid, teenaged, self-absorbed marks. I guarantee you that a large part of the reason that WWE pays no attention to the Internet is not because we're critical, but rather because you have a bunch of dumb teenage marks who are more concerned with saying "Everyone look at me!" who are also criticizing something they barely even understand.

 

Probably because 80% of the current WWE audience is from post-1998.  Most of the old-school folk have either moved on or moved elsewhere (e.g. NWA, puro, etc.)

 

This is why I want to bring all the wrestling folders together as one.

 

As for the NWO t-shirt guy, how is it different talking to someone you meet here and talking to that guy? There are some here who are, but it's not like the *majority* of those who post here are any more knowledgeable than that guy.

 

I hope your list of people who have complained about the Czech-RRR type posts in the WWE folder is a lot longer than that

 

You'd have to ask Nik on that. I don't really know. I *do* know though that when he tells you to stop, it's not your place to question it beyond that and keep doing it anyway as a protest. This board is not a democracy -- you do what you're told or you get banned. And if you have a problem with what you're told to do, you take it to feedback or PM. You don't stay in the folder and continue doing it anyway just because you disagree.

[The Czech Republic 0]

This board is not a democracy

Oh

[Guest Loss]

What's your point? Dames asked for input because he wanted to, not because he was required to do so.

[Slayer 0]

That's because you try to play Joe Cool and look down on people who take the time to make long posts as people who need to get laid.

Haha, that's pretty funny... so funny it's going in my sig

 

Actually it's just because I'm a firm believer in Occam's Razor: People waste multiple paragraphs saying things that could be said in a single paragraph or less. It's why I like to keep my posts short and sweet for the most part.

 

That and my attention span can't handle long posts.

[The Czech Republic 0]

We need elections for mods. West coast mods.

[The Czech Republic 0]

All the Coffey bashing proves that. No, I don't agree with a lot of things Coffey says. But I'd take a board full of people like him over a board full of people like a lot of you, if I'm being perfectly honest.

Yes, that's right. Land Of A Thousand Coffeys!

 

1-2-3

1-2-3

Ow! Uh! Alright! Uh!

 

Got to know how to post right (dah-dah!!!!!)

Like Loss or Nikjohns might (dah-dah!!!!)

Bitch about Raw threads! (dah-dahh!!!)

And write using your head (dah-dahh!!!!)

Stay right on topic (do-dah-dot-daht!)

And dance just like Popick (do-dah-dot-daht!)

Say "it's better in Japan" (do-dah-dot-daht!)

Like you're so cool, man (do-dah-dot-daht! do dah dot.)

Hey!

(do dah dot.)

Uh!

I say a waaaah, wa-wa-wa-waaaaah, wa-wa-wa-waah wa-wa-waah wa-wa-waah, wa-wa-wa-waaaah!

 

C'mon! Bitch with me!

 

waaaah, wa-wa-wa-waaaaah, wa-wa-wa-waah wa-wa-waah wa-wa-waah, wa-wa-wa-waaaah!

[The Amazing Rando 0]

*cough*

 

Throw it down, Czech.

[Slayer 0]

What did we tell you about putting yourself over, Czech?

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

The whole point of "if someone were to come and look at the board...." is rendered rather useless given that one has to sign up first in order to lurk.

 

Secondly, the WWE doesn't pay attention to the internet because we don't sugar coat things; and in terms of accepting their faults, they're akin to a 5 year old with a cold.

 

*Shudders at the thought of a board full of Coffeys*

[The Amazing Rando 0]

If the IWC sugar-coated everything, there would be no IWC. it would be the IMC, Internet Mark Community. Heck, even the WWE's own website doesn't completely go super-mark. It understands that if we five years olds with computers want to visit them on the web, we want to see some of that insider stuff!

[The Czech Republic 0]

What did we tell you about putting yourself over, Czech?

That if I do it, Dames will trot out the old "SmarkBoard head admin" title, known as The Big Gold Mod Position, and I can reign supreme over half of TSM?

[The Amazing Rando 0]

Someone's been dipping into the cough syrup again.

[The Czech Republic 0]

I've been known to take Dimetapp shots. I call 'em "Dime shots."

[Slayer 0]

*Shudders at the thought of a board full of Coffeys*

If I may be serious for a moment...

 

Hey, are you trying to be funny over there?!

 

How dare you accuse me of being funny. I am as serious as a heart attack.

 

Now, the problem with wrestling today is...

 

Coffey#2 is right, Coffey#1 is trying to talk about the WWE in a whimsical fashion, and I, for one, will not stand for it

 

That's it, I'm taking charge here

 

Over my dead body

 

Ach, mein utopia ist fallink apart at der seams!

[Australian Pride 0]

Actually it's just because I'm a firm believer in Occam's Razor: People waste multiple paragraphs saying things that could be said in a single paragraph or less. It's why I like to keep my posts short and sweet for the most part.

 

That and my attention span can't handle long posts.

I think this is where the main problem lies here between the posters and mods - some people can and do make their point in a couple of lines (or less). Others seem to think that writing a lengthy essay for every post is the way to go, because they like to analyse. Who's right and who's wrong? Answer - nobody!

[The Amazing Rando 0]

I fall on the "Mostly Analytical, Sometimes Quickwitical" side of the fence

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

Though I agree with consolidating all the wrestling folders into one.

[Slayer 0]

I'm about 45% analytical and 55% smartass

[{''({o..o})''} 0]

Secondly, the WWE doesn't pay attention to the internet because we don't sugar coat things; and in terms of accepting their faults, they're akin to a 5 year old with a cold.

Of all the posters here, I'd catergorize maybe 20 tops, as people that actually think things out enough to give an view that isn't sugercoated, as opposed to pretty much mindless bitching. I'm not saying I am one of those posters, I'm just saying that if people were negitive over absolutely everything I produced, irregardless of quality, I probably would spend little of my time sorting through the complaints to find those that had justification. Not saying that's the right way to be, but it is understandable why they take that stance.

[NYU 0]

I guess I just didn't realize just how influential Coffey is when it comes to the intelligence quotient of TSM. It's just awe-inspiring how intelligent the man's posts always seems to be.

 

I think that thread is stupid. Basically, they say that EVERY current WWE diva (and a majority of previous divas) are fucking gangbang sluts. Sable banged multiple dudes, Sunny banged multiple dudes, Trish banged...fucking STACY banged multiple dudes.

 

C'mon the fuck on.

 

It's like liquid gold expressed in a tapestry of letters and numbers.

 

Is the board falling to the level of the product now?

 

If William Shakespeare were alive today, he would marvel at the literary talent of dear Coffey.

 

Apparently in the U.K. they don't know how to hit the space bar after using commas?

 

God shall strike down on thee with great vengeance, if you don't add to the WWE Folder what serious posters like Coffey do.

 

Topic: How would you have killed Kane's child?

 

There shouldn't have ever been a pregnancy angle.

 

Fine. But at least Coffey shows a devotion to the product. We can't fault him for that.

 

This is comedy. Next thing you know the entire Clique will be in TNA. Yeah, that's a good way to survive.

 

*slaps head*

 

I think I'm giving up on pro-wrestling. North American federations have killed it for me. WWE sucked my will to live (I don't know if the last straw was Noble getting fired or Viscera being re-hired) and then TNA came along and pulled the cord on the life support. RoH can't bring back the dead.

 

I probably won't post anymore due to the absense as well. If there's one thing I don't need to do, it's sound hypocritical...again.

 

Peace.

 

Okay....but we're just lucky Coffey doesn't stain the OAO Raw, Smackdown, and PPV threads with unsightly humor like some of us may. Time and time again, his thoughts have opened up my eyes and revealed the error of my ways.

 

TIME TO PLAY THE GAAAAAAAAAAME~!!!1

 

Well, this is the worst Raw thread to date....

 

Ever seen Snatch?

 

No, I have not, Coffey. No, I have not. But since this on-topic wrestling discussion was made in the Raw thread, I will be sure to rent it now.

 

See, the problem is: Coffey DOES make intelligent posts. I'm not going to completely discount that. But I think many of us make intelligent posts as well. In addition, like all of us, Coffey also makes terrible posts. Posts that don't need to be there. Posts that don't add to the conversation. However, he isn't called out on it. Only those that try to add humor are ostracized and banned for their behavior. Because Coffey wishes to make these posts without the added benefit of comedy, he's given a free pass. Something is wrong with this picture.

 

I don't think Coffey is the standard to abide by to become a poster in the WWE Folder, and I think it's somewhat insulting that Loss would even convey such a message.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

It is understandable why they take that stance - they don't want to point the finger at themselves. They'll blame everyone and everything before they say "hey, maybe it's something we're doing". I don't think any other business would point its fingers at the consumers, but they do.

[Slayer 0]

NY Untouchable is sooooo my 57th favorite TSM poster.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

Coffey hasn't said a single enlightened thing, and if he has, then I haven't read it.

 

Then again, I'm a lil biased. I don't like Coffey. Then again, I know he doesn't like me either.

[NYU 0]

I went down on the list