Whoops! Iraqi explosives disappear under our guard

[Guest MikeSC]

Please, continue clutching. It's funny.

-=Mike

[Guest JRE]

As if you continually reverting to the lame-ass "clutching for straws" line isn't.

[Rob E Dangerously 0]

Please, continue clutching. It's funny.

-=Mike

this story is in it's "Furious Spin" phase

 

but.. this part of Drudge's story has been blasted

 

But tonight, NBCNEWS reported: The 380 tons of powerful conventional explosives were already missing back in April 10, 2003 -- when U.S. troops arrived at the installation south of Baghdad!

 

An NBCNEWS crew embedded with troops moved in to secure the Al-Qaqaa weapons facility on April 10, 2003, one day after the liberation of Iraq.

 

As shown in the links. Troops arrived on April 4, 2003. Not April 10.

 

Drudge is unleashing "Furious Spin" here

[Guest MikeSC]

As if you continually reverting to the lame-ass "clutching for straws" line isn't.

Not my fault he's clutching for straws.

 

And, God Rob, can you avoid verbatim quoting dailykos.com? I decided to go there, figuring that was where you're getting this crap --- and it is. My God.

 

TRY and think for yourself, would you?

 

They were gone when we got there. Feel free to continue clutching, as you and Kos, as usual, don't have shit here.

-=Mike

[Rob E Dangerously 0]

where did I quote him in the last post.

 

I quoted you and Drudge.

 

Are you Kos?

 

Are you?

 

[Guest MikeSC]

where did I quote him in the last post.

 

I quoted you and Drudge.

 

Are you Kos?

 

Are you?

 

Funny, every article you link and every point you make is ripped directly from the little shitbag.

 

You have zero to stand on and are hoping Kos pulls out something so you can look smart for a moment.

-=Mike

[Rob E Dangerously 0]

Funny, every article you link and every point you make is ripped directly from the little shitbag.

every point?

 

including the info on munitions, the info on explosives, so on and so forth.

 

Are you sure you're not an avid reader of the site? It seems you're making quite a statement.

 

Oh yeah, what where the things confirmed about me that you mentioned when I mentioned my membership over there? you never did answer that

[teke184 0]

Rob,

 

I'd like to hear you explain how someone could remove 380 tons of explosives within the 6 day gap you're talking about between the US arriving and NBC's crew seeing the building. That would take an awful lot of looters to remove THAT much stuff in the middle of a war zone.

 

There may have been some of it left by the time they got there, but it appears it was almost all gone by then.

[Guest MikeSC]

Funny, every article you link and every point you make is ripped directly from the little shitbag.

every point?

 

including the info on munitions, the info on explosives, so on and so forth.

 

Are you sure you're not an avid reader of the site? It seems you're making quite a statement.

 

Oh yeah, what where the things confirmed about me that you mentioned when I mentioned my membership over there? you never did answer that

That every thought you have is put in there by people like Kos. Shame you seem to like a person who would best serve humanity by ceasing to exist.

 

No thinking person can think as you do.

-=Mike

[Rob E Dangerously 0]

That every thought you have is put in there by people like Kos.

It's a shame that your material isn't original. You copy and paste it from Drudge. From LGF. From whoever.

 

It's a shame that you have to spout tons of bullshit.

 

It's a shame you have your fingers so far in your ears that they're touching each other, as you scream 'la la la la I CAN'T HEAR YOU'.

 

I'm certain you cannot prove your claim. But proof has never been a quality that you've possessed.

 

Shame you seem to like a person who would best serve humanity by ceasing to exist.

 

I'm also certain of your specific reason for disliking Markos.

 

But then again, you're also the guy who claims that Kerry's actions killed American soldiers, that Max Cleland was a fuckup, and various other pleasant comments on people who went to war, UNLIKE YOURSELF (I should note)

 

I'd also advise you to tone down the stone throwing on that "best serve humanity" thing because you could be serving humanity a lot better by being something other than a shill for George W. Bush

 

No thinking person can think as you do.

 

I'm pretty sure you're living in a warehouse, since your ego can't fit into most rooms.

 

Mike - "EVERYBODY WHO DOESN'T THINK THE WAY I DO IS AN IDIOT"

 

No thinking person can think you're a moderate because you're conservative on every issue and liberal on drugs, hookers and gambling.

 

File my post to you under "Tough Shit"

 

on to more pleasant things.

 

I'd like to hear you explain how someone could remove 380 tons of explosives within the 6 day gap you're talking about between the US arriving and NBC's crew seeing the building. That would take an awful lot of looters to remove THAT much stuff in the middle of a war zone.

 

Teke - i'd imagine that the looting was gradual. Meaning that not all of it happened in those six days. But the post-4/4 looting was a sign of a security failure. As for the actual post-invasion looting. I'd imagine there would be some people who knew the facilities who would go in to find whatever they could of explosives.

 

And just because Drudge reports around a sentence of a news report doesn't mean that "it's all over"

[Guest MikeSC]

That every thought you have is put in there by people like Kos.

It's a shame that your material isn't original. You copy and paste it from Drudge. From LGF. From whoever.

Actually, when I cut and paste, I freely cite my source.

It's a shame that you have to spout tons of bullshit.

At least it's MY bullshit and not bullshit that sombody thought up on my behalf.

It's a shame you have your fingers so far in your ears that they're touching each other, as you scream 'la la la la I CAN'T HEAR YOU'.

I have the NBC Nightly News story from 10/25/04 on my side.

 

You have inane theories Kos spouts off to try and argue a point that has been debunked thoroughly.

I'm certain you cannot prove your claim. But proof has never been a quality that you've possessed.

I invite ANYBODY to go to dailykos and tell me they don't see every inch of material you bring here already posted there.

Shame you seem to like a person who would best serve humanity by ceasing to exist.

I'm also certain of your specific reason for disliking Markos.

Kos' reaction when the contractors in Iraq were killed? "Screw 'em"

But then again, you're also the guy who claims that Kerry's actions killed American soldiers

Which they absolutely did. They prolonged the war --- but I expect you'll go into a Laurence O'Donnell-esque rant about that...

that Max Cleland was a fuckup, and various other pleasant comments on people who went to war, UNLIKE YOURSELF (I should note)

Benedict Arnold went to a war. Doesn't make him a hero. Cleland should bless God that he was a total fuck-up and crippled himself in Vietnam rather than during training in the States.

I'd also advise you to tone down the stone throwing on that "best serve humanity" thing because you could be serving humanity a lot better by being something other than a shill for George W. Bush

Hell, I don't CARE if you fellate Kerry. That is your judgment.

 

But to give any respect to that fucktard Kos is pathetic.

No thinking person can think as you do.

I'm pretty sure you're living in a warehouse, since your ego can't fit into most rooms.

 

Mike - "EVERYBODY WHO DOESN'T THINK THE WAY I DO IS AN IDIOT"

Not everybody. Smitty seems rather bright. Tom and I disagree on issues. Nothing but respect for him.

No thinking person can think you're a moderate because you're conservative on every issue and liberal on drugs, hookers and gambling.

*sniff* You are truly wounding me.

File my post to you under "Tough Shit"

 

on to more pleasant things.

Well, you can scratch off the first word. It's where I put most of your posts because, unlike you, I lack the desire to stalk you and keep records of your posts.

I'd like to hear you explain how someone could remove 380 tons of explosives within the 6 day gap you're talking about between the US arriving and NBC's crew seeing the building. That would take an awful lot of looters to remove THAT much stuff in the middle of a war zone.

Teke - i'd imagine that the looting was gradual. Meaning that not all of it happened in those six days. But the post-4/4 looting was a sign of a security failure. As for the actual post-invasion looting. I'd imagine there would be some people who knew the facilities who would go in to find whatever they could of explosives.

Ah, so your debunking of the story is really weak rationalization without even the tiniest shred of evidence?

And just because Drudge reports around a sentence of a news report doesn't mean that "it's all over"

True. It's hard to take anything the MSM says seriously.

-=Mike

[Rob E Dangerously 0]

That every thought you have is put in there by people like Kos.

It's a shame that your material isn't original. You copy and paste it from Drudge. From LGF. From whoever.

Actually, when I cut and paste, I freely cite my source.

As do I

 

I guess we'll have cookies for that accomplishment

 

It's a shame that you have to spout tons of bullshit.

At least it's MY bullshit and not bullshit that sombody thought up on my behalf.

 

Please tell me which thing I mentioned was posted on that site first.

 

Come on Mike.. Show me.

 

and yes.. you do provide a lot of bullshit. Thanks for confirming.

 

It's a shame you have your fingers so far in your ears that they're touching each other, as you scream 'la la la la I CAN'T HEAR YOU'.

I have the NBC Nightly News story from 10/25/04 on my side.

 

I posted the link to the video.

 

I assume you've watched it and all.

 

You have inane theories Kos spouts off to try and argue a point that has been debunked thoroughly.

 

thoroughly?

 

BY ONE FUCKING REPORT ON DRUDGE?

 

(well.. unless that really was 110,000 tons of explosives. Which is unlikely. But if you can prove it. Prove it.)

 

I'm certain you cannot prove your claim. But proof has never been a quality that you've possessed.

I invite ANYBODY to go to dailykos and tell me they don't see every inch of material you bring here already posted there.

 

I invite you to go there and CITE IT.

 

And the TPM stuff was from that site anyways. Unless it's my fault when it's mentioned on the site too.

 

http://www.dailykos.com/

 

go for it Mike!

 

Shame you seem to like a person who would best serve humanity by ceasing to exist.

I'm also certain of your specific reason for disliking Markos.

Kos' reaction when the contractors in Iraq were killed? "Screw 'em"

 

Yep. That's what I thought.

 

And coming from somebody who has routinely bashed a triple Purple Heart winner and a triple amputee.

 

You clearly have a lot of room to talk about "respecting our men and women overseas"

 

(of course it doesn't matter, but that was a pretty stupid thing to say.)

 

But then again, you're also the guy who claims that Kerry's actions killed American soldiers

Which they absolutely did. They prolonged the war --- but I expect you'll go into a Laurence O'Donnell-esque rant about that...

 

John Kerry, in 1971, prolonged the War to about.. 1973 (US withdrawal) or 1975 (fall of Saigon).

 

If it weren't for John Kerry, we would have won it in 1972!

 

"Trust me, Oliver North told me so!" - TheMike

 

that Max Cleland was a fuckup, and various other pleasant comments on people who went to war, UNLIKE YOURSELF (I should note)

Benedict Arnold went to a war. Doesn't make him a hero.

 

Uh huh Mike..

 

and this proves something, I suppose.

 

"It justifies my hatred for liberal soldiers!" - TheMike

 

Cleland should bless God that he was a total fuck-up and crippled himself in Vietnam rather than during training in the States.

 

Yes Mike, Keep believing it was the lack of three limbs which helped his politicial career, and not anything else.

 

"Simplicity is fun" - TheMike

 

I guess those amputees in Iraq should bless God that they didn't lose their limbs in the states.

 

Feel free to tell them that too. I'll have 911 on speed dial

 

I'd also advise you to tone down the stone throwing on that "best serve humanity" thing because you could be serving humanity a lot better by being something other than a shill for George W. Bush

Hell, I don't CARE if you fellate Kerry. That is your judgment.

 

"fellate" isn't the right word to describe what you do to George W. Bush. "Deep Throat" works though.

 

(strange, you seem to love projecting all your traits onto others)

 

But to give any respect to that fucktard Kos is pathetic.

 

Yes, we should exile him to a castle for saying two very dumb words. Nobody should ever be forgiven for mistakes. Ever.

 

I'll write that down on scrap paper.

 

No thinking person can think as you do.

I'm pretty sure you're living in a warehouse, since your ego can't fit into most rooms.

 

Mike - "EVERYBODY WHO DOESN'T THINK THE WAY I DO IS AN IDIOT"

Not everybody. Smitty seems rather bright. Tom and I disagree on issues. Nothing but respect for him.

 

Well.. yeah, there's an exception or two.

 

No thinking person can think you're a moderate because you're conservative on every issue and liberal on drugs, hookers and gambling.

*sniff* You are truly wounding me.

 

I don't intend to wound you and I don't expect to wound you. If I did, then you should get some cheese with that whine.

 

File my post to you under "Tough Shit"

 

on to more pleasant things.

Well, you can scratch off the first word. It's where I put most of your posts because, unlike you, I lack the desire to stalk you and keep records of your posts.

 

People who have a tendancy to make claims that they won't back up tend to find their words brought up.

 

I'd like to hear you explain how someone could remove 380 tons of explosives within the 6 day gap you're talking about between the US arriving and NBC's crew seeing the building. That would take an awful lot of looters to remove THAT much stuff in the middle of a war zone.

Teke - i'd imagine that the looting was gradual. Meaning that not all of it happened in those six days. But the post-4/4 looting was a sign of a security failure. As for the actual post-invasion looting. I'd imagine there would be some people who knew the facilities who would go in to find whatever they could of explosives.

Ah, so your debunking of the story is really weak rationalization without even the tiniest shred of evidence?

 

We'll see, but I have faith that I am on the side of the facts and Mr. Drudge isn't.

 

And just because Drudge reports around a sentence of a news report doesn't mean that "it's all over"

True. It's hard to take anything the MSM says seriously.

 

Unless you agree with it.

[The Robfather 0]

60 Minutes meet the New York Times

 

Happy Oct Surprise!

[Guest MikeSC]

It's a shame that you have to spout tons of bullshit.

At least it's MY bullshit and not bullshit that sombody thought up on my behalf.

Please tell me which thing I mentioned was posted on that site first.

EVERY point you've made in this ENTIRE thread is spelled out on that shitbox of a site.

 

You already provide the link later, so no need for me to be redundant.

Come on Mike.. Show me.

 

and yes.. you do provide a lot of bullshit. Thanks for confirming.

I use your terms because I do so hate to lose you on things.

It's a shame you have your fingers so far in your ears that they're touching each other, as you scream 'la la la la I CAN'T HEAR YOU'.

I have the NBC Nightly News story from 10/25/04 on my side.

 

I posted the link to the video.

 

I assume you've watched it and all.

The transcript in question:

“April 10, 2003, only three weeks into the war, NBC News was embedded with troops from the Army's 101st Airbrne as they temporarily take over the Al Qakaa weapons installation south of Baghdad. But these troops never found the nearly 380 tons of some of the most powerful conventional explosives, called HMX and RDX, which is now missing. The U.S. troops did find large stockpiles of more conventional weapons, but no HMX or RDX, so powerful less than a pound brought down Pan Am 103 in 1988, and can be used to trigger a nuclear weapon. In a letter this month, the Iraqi interim government told the International Atomic Energy Agency the high explosives were lost to theft and looting due to lack of security. Critics claim there were simply not enough U.S. troops to guard hundreds of weapons stockpiles, weapons now being used by insurgents and terrorists to wage a guerrilla war in Iraq.”

You, uh, were saying?

You have inane theories Kos spouts off to try and argue a point that has been debunked thoroughly.

 

thoroughly?

 

BY ONE FUCKING REPORT ON DRUDGE?

Actually, based on eyewitness testimony.

(well.. unless that really was 110,000 tons of explosives. Which is unlikely. But if you can prove it. Prove it.)

Read the transcript above.

 

YOU are the one claiming it's wrong. Do the work and prove your case.

 

You cannot, but watching you pitch fits about it is endlessly entertaining.

I'm certain you cannot prove your claim. But proof has never been a quality that you've possessed.

I invite ANYBODY to go to dailykos and tell me they don't see every inch of material you bring here already posted there.

I invite you to go there and CITE IT.

Every...single...point...you...made..."debunking"...this...came...straight...from...that...shitbox.

 

Is there a form of communication that you DO understand, since "English writing" is apparently not one?

And the TPM stuff was from that site anyways. Unless it's my fault when it's mentioned on the site too.

 

http://www.dailykos.com/

 

go for it Mike!

You go there. Your own words.

 

Shockingly, every point you made here is ALSO on that site --- but I'm sure today is the one day you didn't go there.

Shame you seem to like a person who would best serve humanity by ceasing to exist.

I'm also certain of your specific reason for disliking Markos.

Kos' reaction when the contractors in Iraq were killed? "Screw 'em"

Yep. That's what I thought.

Pretty damning for a guy who pops wood over a faux hero like Cleland and a useless slug like Kerry.

And coming from somebody who has routinely bashed a triple Purple Heart winner and a triple amputee.

I bash Cleland because he is a useless waste of skin. I don't bash Kerry for his blah-at-best service but for his abhorrent actions when he returned.

 

Oh, and his committing of atrocities is hard to swallow --- but, in a real shocker, the left doesn't care about human rights violations.

You clearly have a lot of room to talk about "respecting our men and women overseas"

 

(of course it doesn't matter, but that was a pretty stupid thing to say.)

I respect the men and women overseas immensely. However, no group has angels. Cleland and Kerry were useless wastes in Vietnam. Englund was a waste in Iraq.

But then again, you're also the guy who claims that Kerry's actions killed American soldiers

Which they absolutely did. They prolonged the war --- but I expect you'll go into a Laurence O'Donnell-esque rant about that...

 

John Kerry, in 1971, prolonged the War to about.. 1973 (US withdrawal) or 1975 (fall of Saigon).

 

If it weren't for John Kerry, we would have won it in 1972!

 

"Trust me, Oliver North told me so!" - TheMike

Kerry WANTED to leave the POW's behind --- you know, the whole total withdrawal followed by talks at some distant point to discuss freeing the POW's. And he caused the N. Vietnamese to fight harder as they knew that thanks to spoiled brats like Kerry, they'd be able to get enough pissy little twats on the left to fold.

that Max Cleland was a fuckup, and various other pleasant comments on people who went to war, UNLIKE YOURSELF (I should note)

Benedict Arnold went to a war. Doesn't make him a hero.

Uh huh Mike..

 

and this proves something, I suppose.

 

"It justifies my hatred for liberal soldiers!" - TheMike

To call Cleland a soldier is an insult to competent people in the military.

Cleland should bless God that he was a total fuck-up and crippled himself in Vietnam rather than during training in the States.

 

Yes Mike, Keep believing it was the lack of three limbs which helped his politicial career, and not anything else.

It's the truth. And, sadly, Bush fell for his sob story when he lost in 2002 for voting like a liberal --- which he is --- and gave the human paper weight a job he doesn't deserve.

I guess those amputees in Iraq should bless God that they didn't lose their limbs in the states.

 

Feel free to tell them that too. I'll have 911 on speed dial

Well, they should thank God Bush tried to give them armor, as Kerry opposed the money for that...

I'd also advise you to tone down the stone throwing on that "best serve humanity" thing because you could be serving humanity a lot better by being something other than a shill for George W. Bush

Hell, I don't CARE if you fellate Kerry. That is your judgment.

"fellate" isn't the right word to describe what you do to George W. Bush. "Deep Throat" works though.

 

(strange, you seem to love projecting all your traits onto others)

I remember hearing a statement about throwing stones in glass houses...

 

Hell, I've criticized Bush's decisions domestically. I've not heard a negative peep about Kerry from you.

But to give any respect to that fucktard Kos is pathetic.

Yes, we should exile him to a castle for saying two very dumb words. Nobody should ever be forgiven for mistakes. Ever.

 

I'll write that down on scrap paper.

No.

 

Hit him with a car.

 

Will prevent that slug from reproducing and polluting the gene pool.

No thinking person can think as you do.

I'm pretty sure you're living in a warehouse, since your ego can't fit into most rooms.

 

Mike - "EVERYBODY WHO DOESN'T THINK THE WAY I DO IS AN IDIOT"

Not everybody. Smitty seems rather bright. Tom and I disagree on issues. Nothing but respect for him.

 

Well.. yeah, there's an exception or two.

Well, in the case of Smitty, I'll agree that intellect from the left is very much the exception...

File my post to you under "Tough Shit"

 

on to more pleasant things.

Well, you can scratch off the first word. It's where I put most of your posts because, unlike you, I lack the desire to stalk you and keep records of your posts.

People who have a tendancy to make claims that they won't back up tend to find their words brought up.

So, when Bush wins, your hard-on for me will go away and you'll stop making ridiculously long posts of my comments? Because that post was really pathetic. Made you look like, well, the stalker you are.

I'd like to hear you explain how someone could remove 380 tons of explosives within the 6 day gap you're talking about between the US arriving and NBC's crew seeing the building. That would take an awful lot of looters to remove THAT much stuff in the middle of a war zone.

Teke - i'd imagine that the looting was gradual. Meaning that not all of it happened in those six days. But the post-4/4 looting was a sign of a security failure. As for the actual post-invasion looting. I'd imagine there would be some people who knew the facilities who would go in to find whatever they could of explosives.

Ah, so your debunking of the story is really weak rationalization without even the tiniest shred of evidence?

 

We'll see, but I have faith that I am on the side of the facts and Mr. Drudge isn't.

See the transcript above. I know, it's hard for you to believe that Kos can be wrong and all...

 

I wonder what conspiracy bullshit you'll post from Kos tomorrow.

-=Mike

...Quotes are fucked up and there is no way I'm going to try and fix them any longer...

[Rob E Dangerously 0]

things got so heated.. we broke the quote tag.

 

VERY point you've made in this ENTIRE thread is spelled out on that shitbox of a site.

 

If something is said constantly, it doesn't become reality.

 

The transcript in question:

“April 10, 2003, only three weeks into the war, NBC News was embedded with troops from the Army's 101st Airbrne as they temporarily take over the Al Qakaa weapons installation south of Baghdad. But these troops never found the nearly 380 tons of some of the most powerful conventional explosives, called HMX and RDX, which is now missing. The U.S. troops did find large stockpiles of more conventional weapons, but no HMX or RDX, so powerful less than a pound brought down Pan Am 103 in 1988, and can be used to trigger a nuclear weapon. In a letter this month, the Iraqi interim government told the International Atomic Energy Agency the high explosives were lost to theft and looting due to lack of security. Critics claim there were simply not enough U.S. troops to guard hundreds of weapons stockpiles, weapons now being used by insurgents and terrorists to wage a guerrilla war in Iraq.”

You, uh, were saying?

 

We'll see about that.

 

Every...single...point...you...made..."debunking"...this...came...straight...from...that...shitbox.

 

Is there a form of communication that you DO understand, since "English writing" is apparently not one?

 

Is proof a word unknown in South Carolina?

 

I don't bash Kerry for his blah-at-best service but for his abhorrent actions when he returned.

 

I guess I misintrepreted your claims about how you were wounded more than he was in Vietnam. Or how Bush was in more danger.

 

To call Cleland a soldier is an insult to competent people in the military.

 

Max was a soldier, due to his time in the military. That's a fact.

 

Hell, I've criticized Bush's decisions domestically. I've not heard a negative peep about Kerry from you.

 

I didn't actually vote for Kerry in the Missouri primary. I voted for John Edwards. Although in retrospect. Kerry was a better candidate than Edwards.

 

So, when Bush wins, your hard-on for me will go away and you'll stop making ridiculously long posts of my comments?

 

Maybe. Maybe not.

 

We'll see.

 

Right now, I'd say Bush isn't exactly the favorite to win.

 

I wonder what conspiracy bullshit you'll post from Kos tomorrow.

 

I'm sure whatever I post, you'll claim it's from there

[Guest MikeSC]

things got so heated.. we broke the quote tag.

 

 

I'm almost scared to try using the key again.

VERY point you've made in this ENTIRE thread is spelled out on that shitbox of a site.

If something is said constantly, it doesn't become reality.

Anybody who doubts me can easily go over there and see I'm right.

The transcript in question:

“April 10, 2003, only three weeks into the war, NBC News was embedded with troops from the Army's 101st Airbrne as they temporarily take over the Al Qakaa weapons installation south of Baghdad. But these troops never found the nearly 380 tons of some of the most powerful conventional explosives, called HMX and RDX, which is now missing. The U.S. troops did find large stockpiles of more conventional weapons, but no HMX or RDX, so powerful less than a pound brought down Pan Am 103 in 1988, and can be used to trigger a nuclear weapon. In a letter this month, the Iraqi interim government told the International Atomic Energy Agency the high explosives were lost to theft and looting due to lack of security. Critics claim there were simply not enough U.S. troops to guard hundreds of weapons stockpiles, weapons now being used by insurgents and terrorists to wage a guerrilla war in Iraq.”

You, uh, were saying?

We'll see about that.

We'll see about what? This is a fairly cut-and-dried statement. Not a lot of nuance.

Every...single...point...you...made..."debunking"...this...came...straight...from...that...shitbox.

 

Is there a form of communication that you DO understand, since "English writing" is apparently not one?

Is proof a word unknown in South Carolina?

I have the NBC News report --- and no, I will not attempt to spell the correspondent's name, nor will I page up to copy it.

 

You have absolutely nothing.

I don't bash Kerry for his blah-at-best service but for his abhorrent actions when he returned.

I guess I misintrepreted your claims about how you were wounded more than he was in Vietnam. Or how Bush was in more danger.

Statement of fact is not bashing service. In fact, your comments on Bush's service far more easily fits into the "bashing service" mantra.

To call Cleland a soldier is an insult to competent people in the military.

Max was a soldier, due to his time in the military. That's a fact.

He was an inept little bitch.

 

Hell, why am I saying "was"? He IS an inept little bitch.

Hell, I've criticized Bush's decisions domestically. I've not heard a negative peep about Kerry from you.

I didn't actually vote for Kerry in the Missouri primary. I voted for John Edwards. Although in retrospect. Kerry was a better candidate than Edwards.

Which, to be really technical, isn't actually the same thing as ever saying a negative word about Kerry.

So, when Bush wins, your hard-on for me will go away and you'll stop making ridiculously long posts of my comments?

 

Maybe. Maybe not.

 

We'll see.

 

Right now, I'd say Bush isn't exactly the favorite to win.

I could post a column from NRO where they have a piece from a respected Political Science journal where several Political Scientists all have the exact same expected outcome --- namely, a comfortable Bush win.

I wonder what conspiracy bullshit you'll post from Kos tomorrow.

I'm sure whatever I post, you'll claim it's from there

And I'd be correct, most likely.

-=Mike

[The Robfather 0]

My my my...

 

More from Drudge:

 

[The source behind the NYT story first went to CBSNEWS' 60 MINUTES last Wednesday, but the beleaguered network wasn't able to get the piece on the air as fast as the newspaper could print. Executive producer Jeff Fager hoped to break the story during a high-impact election eve broadcast of 60 MINS on October 31.]

 

I want to know who was shopping this story around. CBS should be thankful the Slimes got the story first.

[Guest MikeSC]

My my my...

 

More from Drudge:

 

[The source behind the NYT story first went to CBSNEWS' 60 MINUTES last Wednesday, but the beleaguered network wasn't able to get the piece on the air as fast as the newspaper could print. Executive producer Jeff Fager hoped to break the story during a high-impact election eve broadcast of 60 MINS on October 31.]

 

I want to know who was shopping this story around. CBS should be thankful the Slimes got the story first.

Gee, CBS still trying to influence the election prior to the election?

 

You know, an investigation is in order. This is just getting ridiculous at this point.

-=Mike

[Rob E Dangerously 0]

things got so heated.. we broke the quote tag. 

I'm almost scared to try using the key again.

The status quo on quotes has returned.

 

Which is good for all.

 

Anybody who doubts me can easily go over there and see I'm right.

 

Granted, I don't know if there's really too much interest from others to accept that offer. I'd imagine that on this issue, like most CE issues, there's not really much room in the middle.

 

We'll see about what? This is a fairly cut-and-dried statement. Not a lot of nuance.

 

Yes.. that would also require the removal of 380 tons of explosives in 3 weeks, in the middle of a warzone. I'm sure somebody is an expert on moving large amounts of explosives.

 

Although it appears that the troops who went though Al Qa Qaa found RDX. Stuff that is missing at the moment.

 

And we'll see if anything comes of that NBC report.

 

Which, to be really technical, isn't actually the same thing as ever saying a negative word about Kerry.

 

Right now, i'm in the spot where I can either mention something negative, or not. Either way, it wouldn't matter.

 

I will admit that he's had very bad luck with sports-related photo-ops

 

I could post a column from NRO where they have a piece from a respected Political Science journal where several Political Scientists all have the exact same expected outcome --- namely, a comfortable Bush win.

 

the article does note that they were way off on their 2000 predictions. While they made the pretty obvious prediction in 1996. I'm not too comfortable with their expertise in 'close' elections.

 

I'd say there's a very slim shot of Bush getting 54% (as predicted by 3 respondents) or 55% (as said by 2) and no chance that Bush gets 58% of the vote.

 

Then again, if anything in those formulas is predicting a big Bush victory, it's the economy. The economy is lackluster compared to 2000, but not horrible either.

 

And I'd be correct, most likely.

 

In your heart, you know you're right.

[CheesalaIsGood 0]

Well THAT fun to read. Thank you very very much Rob. Well done.

 

 

[Stephen Joseph 0]

btw, you all do realize CNN is now reporting that theyre verifying the nbc news claim that the explosives really were gone before us troops got there (you know, the embedded unit thing)

 

Link to the article...because CNN is RIGHT-WING~!

 

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/10/26/...ives/index.html

 

Bravo, fools.

[Guest INXS]

1lb of HMX was enough to blow up Pam Am Flight 103 over Lockerbie, Scotland in 1988 killing 170 people. That's just 1lb. 195 tonnes of the stuff is missing. Whether the missing stuff is 1% of all explosives in Iraq, it's still a huge problem and to try and play down the significance of this loss is plain foolish.

 

Now, clearly if US troops weren't in Iraq at the time of the theft then they shouldn't be blamed. It will be interesting to see how this is spun as is it appears to me that at the moment, the blame is trying to be shifted.

[jesse_ewiak 0]

Mike, just as a side note...Kos has already "polluted the gene pool" to use your own words. I know it's just terrible that liberals are allowed to have children too.

[Stephen Joseph 0]

1lb of HMX was enough to blow up Pam Am Flight 103 over Lockerbie, Scotland in 1988 killing 170 people. That's just 1lb. 195 tonnes of the stuff is missing. Whether the missing stuff is 1% of all explosives in Iraq, it's still a huge problem and to try and play down the significance of this loss is plain foolish.

 

Now, clearly if US troops weren't in Iraq at the time of the theft then they shouldn't be blamed. It will be interesting to see how this is spun as is it appears to me that at the moment, the blame is trying to be shifted.

What...the...f*ck

 

THEY WERE NOT THERE!

 

How can the blame be shifted? This is NBC, hardly Fox...

[Guest Agent of Oblivion]

1lb of HMX was enough to blow up Pam Am Flight 103 over Lockerbie, Scotland in 1988 killing 170 people. That's just 1lb. 195 tonnes of the stuff is missing. Whether the missing stuff is 1% of all explosives in Iraq, it's still a huge problem and to try and play down the significance of this loss is plain foolish.

 

Now, clearly if US troops weren't in Iraq at the time of the theft then they shouldn't be blamed. It will be interesting to see how this is spun as is it appears to me that at the moment, the blame is trying to be shifted.

Considering that they're sitting directly on top of an ocean of flammable fluid, and can commercially order stuff like dynamite from mining companies, I don't think it's much of a problem. What's the difference between blowing something up with a few pounds of High Explosive or a moving van sized fertilizer bomb, or a stick of dynamite or a molotov cocktail or something? War is full of weapons, I'm sure other caches have come up missing throughout history without catostrophic results.

[Rob E Dangerously 0]

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/...0_24.php#003804

 

There wasn't a search. The mission that the brigade had was to get to Baghdad. That was more of a pit stop there for us. And, you know, the searching, I mean certainly some of the soldiers head off on their own, looked through the bunkers just to look at the vast amount of ordnance lying around. But as far as we could tell, there was no move to secure the weapons, nothing to keep looters away. But there was – at that point the roads were shut off. So it would have been very difficult, I believe, for the looters to get there.

 

hmmm.. probably part of the evil master plan.

[Guest MikeSC]

NBC and CNN are reporting they were already gone.

 

You're STILL arguing a point with no basis in reality.

-=Mike

[Rob E Dangerously 0]

and another reporter who was there (Jim Miklaszewski of NBC)

 

Following up on that story from last night, military officials tell NBC News that on April 10, 2003, when the Second Brigade of the 101st Airborne entered the Al QaQaa weapons facility, south of Baghdad, that those troops were actually on their way to Baghdad, that they were not actively involved in the search for any weapons, including the high explosives, HMX and RDX. The troops did observe stock piles of conventional weapons but no HMX or RDX. And because the Al Qaqaa facility is so huge, it's not clear that those troops from the 101st were actually anywhere near the bunkers that reportedly contained the HMX and RDX. Three months earlier, during an inspection of the Al Qaqaa compound, the International Atomic Energy Agency secured and sealed 350 metric tons of HMX and RDX. Then in March, shortly before the war began, the I.A.E.A. conducted another inspection and found that the HMX stockpile was still intact and still under seal. But inspectors were unable to inspect the RDX stockpile and could not verify that the RDX was still at the compound.

Pentagon officials say elements of the 101st airborne did conduct a thorough search of several facilities around the Al QaQaa compound for several weeks during the month of April in search of WMD. They found no WMD. And Pentagon officials say it's not clear at that time whether those other elements of the 101st actually searched the Al QaQaa compound.

 

Now, Pentagon officials say U.S. troops and members of the Iraq Survey Group did arrive at the Al QaQaa compound on May 27. And when they did, they found no HMX or RDX or any other weapons under seal at the time. Now, the Iraqi government is officially said that the high explosives were stolen by looters. Pentagon officials claim it's possible -- they're not sure, they say, but it's possible that Saddam Hussein himself ordered that these high explosives be removed and hidden before the war. What is clear is that the 350 metric tons of high explosives are still missing, and that the U.S. or Iraqi governments or international inspectors, for that matter, cannot say with any certainty where they are today.

 

So, where do you want to bury this story?

 

Yucca Mountain is a good place

 

Maybe you can bury it in Afghanistan. Just so it's easier to scream "la la la la la la NBC said one sentence about it la la la la la I'm not listening la la la la la it never happened la la la la"

[Stephen Joseph 0]

This is such a non-freaking story.

 

OMG. We don't know if bad stuff was there or not, they didn't check everything close enough...WHEN THEY"RE IN A WAR ZONE TRYING TO WIN A WAR.

 

Geezus Chist

[Rob E Dangerously 0]

Ha Ha

 

NBC is reporting the Jim Miklaszewski story right now

 

UPDATE (5:34 CST):

 

and Brokaw is clarifying that what they reported wasn't the same as what Drudge and Bush are saying.