cabbageboy 0 Report post Posted November 14, 2004 I took a look at Wisconsin's schedule and it's not like they've done much impressive the entire year. I mean hell this past week John Saunders said they were the best team in the nation! How? That epic 2 pt. win over Arizona? Beating a fraudulent Purdue on a Kyle Orton fumble (which given Purdue's efforts since makes that win more dubious)? Beating a reeling Minnesota? There isn't a win there that you can point to and say "That was incredibly impressive." And next week I think they'll likely go down at Iowa, who has quietly put together a solid year. You know what's scary? The fact that some jobber in the Big 12 North has a shot at a major bowl. It's a slight chance to be sure, but the idea of scrubs like Iowa St. ending up in a BCS bowl while my team (U of L) dicks around at the Liberty Bowl is sickening. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Damaramu 0 Report post Posted November 14, 2004 The only team in the Big XII North with a legitimate chance of beating OU is KSU. And they ruined their chances by losing to Colorado today. The Big XII South is the toughest division in college football with 5 ranked teams and all 5 teams are going to a bowl and one for sure(OU) and maybe two(Texas) are going to a BCS bowl. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bored 0 Report post Posted November 14, 2004 Five teams? You sure about that? You might want to take another look. Edited. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Damaramu 0 Report post Posted November 14, 2004 Yeah Texas Tech was ranked in the Top 25 going into this week and they've been ranked in the Top 25 earlier in the season. Just everytime they get ranked they run into another south team. And all 5 of those teams in the Big XII south(OU, Texas, TT, A&M, OSU) are going to bowl games. The only one not going is Baylor and they shouldn't even be in the conference in the first place. If the Big XII North was worth a damn the Big XII would be the toughest conference in the country. But the North is full of teams that can't see out of their helmets or something...... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bored 0 Report post Posted November 14, 2004 Yeah Texas Tech was ranked in the Top 25 going into this week and they've been ranked in the Top 25 earlier in the season. Yes they were #25 in the Coaches poll, unranked in the AP, and unranked in the BCS which is the only rankings that matter. They'll be unranked in all polls this upcoming week. It's like claiming Ohio State as a Top 25 team. On an unrelated note if USC vs. Auburn is the Orange Bowl match-up and that other team then has to go to the Fiesta Bowl, Utah will not be going to a BCS bowl. The reason why is that would leave the Sugar Bowl with an open spot and they would take Texas over Utah. Even if it's USC vs. that other team there is no guarentee that the Fiesta Bowl would still take Utah. Texas is a very big draw and they're fans travel very well. Utah needs A&M to beat Texas in two weeks or I think they will end up in the Liberty Bowl which as I mentioned earlier in the day would be a tougher match-up for them in Louisville than if they ended up playing Boston College. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Damaramu 0 Report post Posted November 14, 2004 Well if OU ends up in the Fiesta bowl then who do they play? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Secret Agent 0 Report post Posted November 14, 2004 Honestly I think the Orange Bowl right now should be OU/Auburn if we end up with 3 undefeated teams. I don't get the whole USC deal with them having such a weak schedule compared to Oklahoma and Auburn and having such a firm grip on the number 1 spot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanadianChris 0 Report post Posted November 14, 2004 Honestly I think the Orange Bowl right now should be OU/Auburn if we end up with 3 undefeated teams. I don't get the whole USC deal with them having such a weak schedule compared to Oklahoma and Auburn and having such a firm grip on the number 1 spot. It's because they were the preseason #1 and haven't lost. Just like Oklahoma was the preseason #2 and hasn't lost. It will be USC/Oklahoma if both teams win out, I'm sure of it. This begs the question of why there are preseason polls...or, for that matter, why there are polls more than two or three weeks before the BCS comes out. The BCS this week is going to look like this: 1. USC 2. Oklahoma 3. Auburn 4. Cal 5. Texas 6. Utah Wisconsin losing has pretty much assured Utah of a BCS bowl if they can win out. Remember that Utah only has to be ranked in the top 6 to be assured of a BCS bowl -- it doesn't matter what the national championship game is, or which bowl gets to select a team first. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Salacious Crumb Report post Posted November 14, 2004 The rankings are such a fucking joke at this point. It's insanely stupid that voters and computers can't adjust at all midseason to switch teams based on performance. The fact that Texas could still be a top 5 team this week is a freaking joke. Auburn should play in the title game if they win out. Oklahoma has not been impressive unless they're beating scrub teams and Auburn has just killed everyone they've played. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iggymcfly 0 Report post Posted November 14, 2004 Yeah Texas Tech was ranked in the Top 25 going into this week and they've been ranked in the Top 25 earlier in the season. Yes they were #25 in the Coaches poll, unranked in the AP, and unranked in the BCS which is the only rankings that matter. They'll be unranked in all polls this upcoming week. It's like claiming Ohio State as a Top 25 team. On an unrelated note if USC vs. Auburn is the Orange Bowl match-up and that other team then has to go to the Fiesta Bowl, Utah will not be going to a BCS bowl. The reason why is that would leave the Sugar Bowl with an open spot and they would take Texas over Utah. Even if it's USC vs. that other team there is no guarentee that the Fiesta Bowl would still take Utah. Texas is a very big draw and they're fans travel very well. Utah needs A&M to beat Texas in two weeks or I think they will end up in the Liberty Bowl which as I mentioned earlier in the day would be a tougher match-up for them in Louisville than if they ended up playing Boston College. But with the Wisconsin loss, Utah's ranked in the Top 6. If they're in the Top 6, whatever BCS bowl has an open spot is required to take them. Also, the Sugar Bowl has the choice of not only at large teams, but remaining conference champions as well. Even though Miami doesn't travel well historically, their close location and draw for television as the ACC champion would probably be enough for them to pick up the Hurricanes. I guess the only question remaining is who has the first pick out of the Rose Bowl and the Sugar Bowl. If the Rose Bowl has first pick, (which I think they do), they'll take Cal and the Sugar Bowl will have to pick between BC, Utah, and the ACC champ (probably Miami). If the Sugar Bowl has first pick, they can go ahead and take Texas, but then Utah or Miami will play Michigan in the Rose Bowl. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bored 0 Report post Posted November 14, 2004 Wisconsin losing has pretty much assured Utah of a BCS bowl if they can win out. No it doesn't. Look at the automatic bids right now: Pac-10: USC Big XII: Oklahoma SEC: Auburn Big Ten: Michigan ACC: Miami or Virginia Tech Big East: Boston College So that leaves you with the two at-large spots and you currently have three teams in the top six (Cal, Texas, Utah) who would not have automatic bids. If USC does go to the Orange Bowl, we all know Cal will go to the Rose Bowl. Then that leaves one spot left in the BCS between Texas and Utah so one of them will be left out regardless of them being in the top six. If Auburn goes the Orange Bowl and Oklahoma goes to the Fiesta Bowl, the Sugar Bowl will almost assuredly take Texas over Utah. If Oklahoma goes to the Orange Bowl and Auburn goes to the Sugar Bowl then the chances are better for Utah since the Fiesta Bowl has showed a lot of interest. Basically if your Utah you need to root for A&M to beat Texas and/or Oklahoma to hold to the #2 spot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bored 0 Report post Posted November 14, 2004 The order of choice is Rose, Sugar, Fiesta. The Rose Bowl will take Cal and even if the Sugar takes Miami first the Fiesta is required to take Oklahoma if they are not in the Orange Bowl. It will then bounce back to the Sugar Bowl who would take Texas over Utah and then the Fiesta would have to take Boston College since they have an automatic bid. If Oklahoma goes to the Orange Bowl, the Sugar Bowl would be required to take Auburn with it's pick, then it'd be up to the Fiesta to pick either Utah or Texas. You go to do the math: Eight bids, six conference champs, two at-large teams. Three teams who will not get automatic bids currently are in the top six so that gives you nine teams going for eight spots. Being in the top six does NOT assure a BCS bowl in this current scenerio. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iggymcfly 0 Report post Posted November 14, 2004 No, no, you're missing the provision. Here's the criteria for reaching a BCS bowl in order of priority: 1. Ranked in the Top 2 of the final BCS standings 2. Conference champion of one of the "Big 6" conferences 3. Ranked in the Top 6 of the final BCS standings, and not from one of the "Big 6" conferences 4. Ranked in the Top 4 of the final BCS standings 5. Ranked in the Top 12 of the final BCS standings, and name of school starts with Notre Dame 6. Ranked in the Top 12 of the final BCS standings The stipulation that a Top 6 team will make a BCS bowl is sort of a makeup to the mid-majors for not getting an automatic berth if they win their conference. It's saying that if they finish in the Top 6 of the final standings, they're better than at least one of the "major" programs that won their conference, and they deserve a berth as well. A team from a regular conference has to be Top 4 to be guaranteed a spot, and even that stipulation comes after the one that gives a mid-major team in the top 6 a spot. Although come to think of it, that would probably guarantee Cal a spot over Texas even if the Sugar Bowl does have first pick and wants the Longhorns. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bored 0 Report post Posted November 14, 2004 Aw dammit I was just going to double check that. I forgot the Top 6 rule was meant to apply to non-BCS conference teams. So okay Texas is the odd team out with Cal and Utah automatically being in. Now I guess they have to hope Michigan doesn't jump them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iggymcfly 0 Report post Posted November 14, 2004 If anyone wants something a little more official, here's the BCS portion of the bowl projections from collegefootballnews.com. I just checked it and they agree that Auburn will likely go to the Orange Bowl, while the Sugar Bowl will pick up Miami. . Bowl: Orange Bowl When: Jan. 4, 8:00, ABC Where: Miami, FL Conference tie-ins: BCS No. 1 vs. BCS No. 2 Auburn vs. USC What looked like a done deal last week has now changed. Auburn played well enough against Georgia to create enough of a buzz to overtake Oklahoma, but It'll take a win over Alabama, which won't be a blowout. USC is getting a free pass in this whole mix and might be the third best team of the top three, but it isn't budging off the number one spot in the polls. . Bowl: Rose Bowl When: Jan. 1, 5:00, ABC Where: Pasadena, CA Conference tie-ins: BCS vs. BCS Michigan vs. California Don't let the win over Washington fool you; Cal isn't playing nearly as well as it did earlier this year. Even so, a trip to Pasadena appears to be a lock if it wins out. The Rose Bowl door is open for Michigan, but don't assume a win at Ohio State. This could easily be Wisconsin if the Wolverines slip. . Bowl: Sugar Bowl When: Jan. 3, 8:00, ABC Where: New Orleans, LA Conference tie-ins: BCS vs. BCS Boston College vs. Miami Here's the deal. The Rose Bowl will get its first choice of at-large BCS teams and will take Cal. The Sugar will get the second choice and will be get Miami after thinking hard about Utah and all of its fans. The Fiesta Bowl host team is the Big XII champion and that'll be Oklahoma. Miami still has Wake Forest and Virginia Tech to go, but it has its groove back after beating Virginia. . Bowl: Tostitos Fiesta Bowl When: Jan. 1, 8:30, ABC Where: Tempe, AZ Conference tie-ins: BCS vs. BCS Oklahoma vs. Utah The Big XII Champion is the host to the Big XII Champion and that'll be the Sooners if Auburn slides in to the Orange. OU deserves a spot in the national championship, but it'll be tough with all of the buzz around the Tigers. If OU gets into the Orange this will be Boston College vs. Utah. The Utes deserve to be in the BCS but it's going to be hard to get past the college football machine that wants to see big league schools in the mix. However, a six slot gets them in. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Damaramu 0 Report post Posted November 14, 2004 Chris Fowler is claiming that Auburn will gain ground on OU this week but he doesn't think they'll overtake them in the polls. On top of that OU is ranked #1 in a lot of computer rankings which is helping them in the BCS as well. I think the AP voters might jump Auburn but at the end of the year we could end up with the Coaches poll looking like it is now. And if Auburn is #2 in only one poll then they probably won't be able to jump OU in the BCS. It's still crappy that USC gets to have a deathgrip on the #1 spot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Art Sandusky 0 Report post Posted November 14, 2004 I'm torn on the impending Auburn/Tennessee rematch. You'd think I want Tennessee to win the conference and go to the Sugar Bowl (probably), but that would mean that the SEC's chance at a second national title in a row would be dashed. It would also mean them playing Miami or Virginia Tech, which worries me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Damaramu 0 Report post Posted November 14, 2004 It's weird. Last year we had controversy with USC, OU, and an SEC team. This year we have controversy with USC, OU, and an SEC team. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Secret Agent 0 Report post Posted November 14, 2004 Just wondering: Does the fact that Auburn and OU both have to play an extra game for their division's championship and USC doesn't, have any implication on the rankings? As in if OU and Auburn both win could USC slide down to third? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Art Sandusky 0 Report post Posted November 14, 2004 It actually puts Auburn and OU at a disadvantage, as last year showed. Things had a nice, tidy packaging to them until Oklahoma went and lost in the Big XII title game. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
teke184 0 Report post Posted November 14, 2004 It shouldn't have THAT much of an effect... The polls make up 67% of the BCS ranking and USC, through the sympathy vote over getting "screwed" last year, is #1 in both. That last 33% would have to be made up of some of the worst computer-poll numbers in football to knock them out of the title game if they remain undefeated. What's more likely to happen is OU getting screwed because people are pissed that they made it into the title game last year over USC. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Salacious Crumb Report post Posted November 14, 2004 Well OU is also going to suffer for trying to run up the score against Nebraska yesterday. They'll probably see a huge drop in the coach's poll over that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Secret Agent 0 Report post Posted November 14, 2004 How in the hell did they try to run up the score? Look at USc and Auburn's score's; they're all about the same spreads. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bored 0 Report post Posted November 14, 2004 The conference championship game will typically help you, as long as you win. Last year LSU jumped USC because of playing the SEC title game. Everyone focused on them losing the since thrown away quality win bonus but it was because of playing Georgia a second time that helped LSU's SoS. USC's SoS was actually better than LSU's before the SEC title game. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
teke184 0 Report post Posted November 14, 2004 The championship game will help Auburn because they'll play Tennessee. The championship game could hurt Oklahoma because they could play Iowa State or someone half-assed like that. (The B-12 North absolutely SUCKS this year) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2GOLD 0 Report post Posted November 14, 2004 If USC, OU and AUB finish 1,2 and 3 then you can't move any of them. You can't punish OU for winning with a down division. We did that last year with USC when the Pac 10 was down. If all three of these teams finish undefeated, then I don't know how the hell the BCS sorts this out to where they claim we have one national champion. No matter what, if all three finish undefeated then one of them is getting screwed. This year, more than likely it's OU not getting the shot since they got the shot last season. It's not fair but when has college football ever been fair? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Slayer 0 Report post Posted November 14, 2004 Believe me, I'd love to see Utah in a BCS game, if only as a big "Fuck you" to the system But there's part of me that still thinks the NCAA will find some way to screw them out of a BCS bowl even if they win out. A change in a vote here or vote there, or even an all out fucked up plot could get Utah ranked 7th or maybe even lower in the BCS poll, outside looking in. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Salacious Crumb Report post Posted November 14, 2004 Well at least this season will probably give us the playoffs. But if everyone wins out you can make the case for USC and Auburn much easier. Both have been more impressive over ranked teams and both will have a better list of wins than OU by the end. This is what happens when you face scrubs like Houston in non-conference play and your conference goes to hell at the same time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Damaramu 0 Report post Posted November 14, 2004 How in the hell did they try to run up the score? Look at USc and Auburn's score's; they're all about the same spreads. He did try to run it up. I was there dude. It was 4th down and they could've kicked a field goal but instead they tried to take a shot at the end zone with like 40 seconds left. You could blame it on the crowd chanting "GO!" but we didn't start chanting go until after White stayed on the field. I knew they were going for it b/c after the 3rd down he just looked at Bob Stoops for what seemed like an hour. He just stood there away from everyone didn't even make a move for the sidelines and then everyone started chanting "GO!" when he walked back to the huddle. Stoops is under the impression that he needs to run up the score on everyone now so that when the voters look at the final score they would see that OU won by a bigger margin. Which is true. A lot of voters only look at the final score. So yes they did try to run it up. But if he would've kicked the field goal it would've looked like OU 33 Nebraska 0. As opposed to OU 30 Nebraska 3. And the only reason Nebraska was able to kick that field goal was b/c OU recieved a 15 yard penalty because the fans were throwing Oranges onto the field. It was hilarious. The OU and Nebraska players plus the cheerleaders, refs, and rufneks were picking Oranges up off the field. Stoops walked out into the middle of the field and waved his arms for everyone to stop......and they did. Hehehe......one man with power over 84,000 people, amazing. A lot of people there were grumbling about Nebraska even kicking the field goal. A lot of people felt it was a chickenshit maneuver. Then again they would've never kicked it had we just kicked a field goal or hell downed the ball on 2nd and 3rd down. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Damaramu 0 Report post Posted November 14, 2004 Well at least this season will probably give us the playoffs. But if everyone wins out you can make the case for USC and Auburn much easier. Both have been more impressive over ranked teams and both will have a better list of wins than OU by the end. This is what happens when you face scrubs like Houston in non-conference play and your conference goes to hell at the same time. Who did Auburn play non-conference? Oh yeah nobody. OU's non conference schedule was originally as bad as Auburns. Hell they were going to play Florida A&M. But OU's AD decided that they needed a better non conference schedule and that's why he sought out Oregon. Because Oregon was a good team last year. Nobody knew they would blow this year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
