Best WWE DVD

[Dark Age 0]

You're just making a list of good to great or meaningful matches.

 

 

The Flair/Taker Vs Hogan/Sid match serves ZERO purpose. It was a match designed to set up Hogan/Sid. It serves no purpose on a 'Taker DVD.

 

The Shitty matches ultimately serve zero purpose, so maybe show one of those matches and just have a montage of the "beasts and monsters" as a quasi joke for the fans to get a good laugh at.

 

Bret Hart @ RR1996 was atrocious. Why waste 25 minutes of space on this?

 

Showing Three of the Foley 1996 matches serve no purpose, One would explain the saga with a pre shown package or explantion.

 

Austin OTE will never be shown. Nothing from that event is going to be reproduced.

 

I considered the Benoit match but it ultimately was meaningless.

 

The Tajiri match is even more pointless...

It (SNME) was a match from early in Taker's career. It was one of the first times he had his brush with the main event. Is it vitally important? No. But it's something I wouldn;t mind seeing. It's probably one of the ones worth cutting though, you're right.

 

Why don't they serve a purpose? You said all I was doing was making a list of good to great matches - so what do you want?

 

They aren't meaningless - they were all important stages of the character's development. Did they suck - yes. But it would be silly to skip a whole four years or so. Keep in mind, I'm thinking of a Ric Flair like 3-disc anthology here.

 

The Bret match isn't TOO important but it sets up his feud with Diesel, so whatever.

 

Why NOT show three Foley matches? They're all rare matches not readily available, so show 'em. Better than three KANE matches.

 

Benoit vs Taker was a good match that I felt deserved an inclusion. It was so different to his other matches prior to it - it would be a good way to show Taker's development from DeadMan to AmericanBadAss.

 

Tajiri vs Taker is just a fun match that I get a kick out of. No real need to include.

[Guest The Shadow Behind You]

Some bad choices for matches, and some notable omissions.

 

I understand that not everyone buys EVERY WWE DVD, however, you should still limit it so that it's not pointless inclusions that are already available elsewhere.

 

There's really no purpose in including the JD match with Edge. For one, it's available elsewhere. Two, it's the worst match they had. Three, Angle loses. Four, the match isn't important. The only reason I can gather for it's inclusion is Angle getting shaved bald, but that's not too important.

 

All the matches, except for the Taker match, on disc two are readily available. Though some SHOULD be included for significance (Hogan), a lot are just pointless (Cena, Rey, Brock).

 

MY Angle DVD would include:

 

One or two of his HEAT/Dark matches before his debut. Plus some of his development stuff.

Vs Shawn Stasiak - Survivor Series 99

A random Raw match from around his debut

Vs Val Venis - SD 2000 (Euro Title win)

Vs Chris Jericho - No Way Out 2000

Vs Rikishi - KOTR 2000

Vs Rock - No Mercy 2000

Vs Undertaker - Survivor Series 2000 (maybe)

Vs Rock Vs Triple H Vs Steve Austin Vs Undertaker Vs Rikishi - Armageddon 2000

Vs Steve Austin - Raw 2000/2001 (the one NOT on the Action DVD)

Vs Rock - Raw 2001 (Angle snaps, and, I think, gets DQed. AWESOME, underrated match)

One of his matches with Benoit, either the 2/3 Falls match, or Mania. The cage would be a better option, but that's on the Benoit DVD

Vs Booker T - SD 2001 (Angle wins WCW Title)

Vs Steve Austin - SummerSlam 2001

Vs Steve Austin - Unforgiven 2001 (you could just use one of these two matches)

Vs Rhyno - Raw(?) 2001 - US Title win (Very good, forgotten gem)

Vs Kane - SD 2001 (After the heel turn, possibly Kane's best ever match)

Vs Steve Austin - SD 2001/2002 (leading to the Rumble, another forgotten good one. Not particularly important, but it's a good match and deserves a release)

Vs Hulk Hogan - KOTR 2002

Vs Undertaker - SD 2002 (the double pin/submission finish)

Vs Eddie Guerrero - SD 2002 (the match he won)

Vs Big Show - Armageddon 2002 (title win)

His match with Benoit could go here, but it's on the Benoit DVD so....

Vs Chris Benoit - SD 2003

Vs Rey Mysterio - SD 2003

Vs Brock Lesnar Vs Big Show - Vengeance 2003

Vs Undertaker - SD 2003

Vs Eddie Guerrero - SD 2004 (2/3 Falls)

 

That's about 25 matches right there. Obviously some would be cut, but I think that covers pretty much everything that matters and would make for a very good DVD.

Looks like you threw up every match Kurt Angle ever had, I would steal a couple of the tv matches to flesh it out but to call it bad is pretty ridiciously considering the intent is to model how WWE does their dvd's with a 30-60 minute feature and about 10-14 matches each.

 

Explain how 'Taker Vs Angle '00 gets on your "great" list? Meaningless squash match with a horrible finish.

You say I put meaningless matches on my list and yet you slide some forgotten tv matches, the dvd is a career retrospective.

 

I'll agree that the Kane match should get a spot, Rhyno's match was forgotten because it wasn't important...remember it's a career retrospective.

 

The Austin match on raw 00 was good but I dont want it because of the ending rendering the match pointless.

 

The Jericho NWO match was great and was on my inital draft but I cut it out because I wanted a even amount.

 

Why The Judgment Day Match? Quite frankly, I'd put the Cage match from SD on it but it's on the Bloodbath dvd and honestly speaking, The BL match and the JD kinda just blurred into one because I don't like to think of that atrocious feud and knowing WWE, the hair stip would constitute putting this on here. An random raw match is dumb and pointless. The Venis match served nothing meaningful and I don't recall it being good enough of a match to warrant a spot. The Armgeddon Title win over TBS was horrendous and isn't neccesary.

 

The SD after RR with Benoit was primo but we already hit a Benoit/Angle mark and I'd like diversity.

 

I'm not saying I like the Angle/McMahon match on there but it would get on the dvd because it was something so out of Angle's dimension and got mass love initally and WWE HQ loved it...don't forget Shane's involved in the match as well. Don't think Shane would jump at getting this match on here.

 

The only differences here, I would take off from my list is the Cena match and the Mysterio match and slide in The Jericho Match and Kane match.

Edited December 28, 2004 by The Shadow Behind You

[Guest LooneyTune]

Angle's 2000-01 title reign needs to be forgotten. Why put two shitty matches with shitty finishes that make Angle look like shit?

 

Keyword: Shit

 

And Dark age should really learn to keep his arguments in one post instead of flooding with multiple posts in a row.

 

And the Angle DVD you described wouldn't even happen since no DVD will ever have 25 matches, especially when more than half of them are worthless and serve no purpose for being on a DVD set.

[Guest The Shadow Behind You]

If you ignore the 00-01 Title run, you lose his best match ever (after Benoit rr03)

[Guest LooneyTune]

If you ignore the 00-01 Title run, you lose his best match ever (after Benoit rr03)

Ignore the matches like Survivor Series 2000, Armageddon 2000, the Austin match where HHH ran in, the Rumble 01 match where he was booked to look like he couldn't win to save his life.

[Dark Age 0]

Looks like you threw up every match Kurt Angle ever had, I would steal a couple of the tv matches to flesh it out but to call it bad is pretty ridiciously considering the intent is to model how WWE does their dvd's with a 30-60 minute feature and about 10-14 matches each.

 

EXAGGERATIONS~!

 

About 25 matches there. For a 3 (or 4) disc set, you could get something close to that.

 

I didn't mean it was bad in regards to the model (you had a good idea), but the fact that it was layed out with SO many PPV matches that I already have (or can get) would make it quite unattractive to me.

 

Explain how 'Taker Vs Angle '00 gets on your "great" list? Meaningless squash match with a horrible finish.

You say I put meaningless matches on my list and yet you slide some forgotten tv matches, the dvd is a career retrospective.

 

When did I say it was great? It's not meaningless - it was Angle's first PPV Title defense, plus a victory over Taker. It was quite meaningfull.

 

YES - the DVD IS a career retrospective. However, that doesn't mean you can't throw in a few good matches just for the Hell of it.

 

Why The Judgment Day Match? Quite frankly, I'd put the Cage match from SD on it but it's on the Bloodbath dvd and honestly speaking, The BL match and the JD kinda just blurred into one because I don't like to think of that atrocious feud and knowing WWE, the hair stip would constitute putting this on here. An random raw match is dumb and pointless. The Venis match served nothing meaningful and I don't recall it being good enough of a match to warrant a spot. The Armgeddon Title win over TBS was horrendous and isn't neccesary.

 

There's no need for ANY Edge match. They aren't THAT important.

 

The Val match was Angle's first title win - it's important.

 

Armageddon is another Angle WWE Title win. Not too important, but still....

[Guest LooneyTune]

It should be a "Best of" DVD, not a "OK, here's a couple of bad, pointless matches that make Angle look like a joke" DVD.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

A Kurt Angle DVD should have his Hair v Hair match with Edge on it. It would at least show why he is bald now. Plus the match itself was kickass.

[Dark Age 0]

Angle's 2000-01 title reign needs to be forgotten. Why put two shitty matches with shitty finishes that make Angle look like shit?

 

Because, I dunno, it was his FIRST WWE TITLE REIGN! No matter how bad it was, it should be addressed. And I don't know, or care, what two matches you're talking about.

 

And the Angle DVD you described wouldn't even happen since no DVD will ever have 25 matches, especially when more than half of them are worthless and serve no purpose for being on a DVD set.

 

Because ALL FANTASY DVD SETS that get posted are, in actuality, going to happen, right?

 

And, once again, you don't actually say *why* the matches are worthless no purpose on the DVD. Then again, you're a worthless poster who serves no purpose on these forums, so I guess you don't have to.

 

And Dark age should really learn to keep his arguments in one post instead of flooding with multiple posts in a row.

 

Maybe because, ya know, I'm addressing different posts, and entirely different topics. One is about Angle - one about Taker. And, don't worry, I know how to keep everything in one post. You don't have to teach me.

 

And I love how you don't actually reply to my inital comment direct towards you, but instead try and be 'cool' by throwing a shitty little insult my way. Whatever. I no longer care about your opinion.

[Guest LooneyTune]

Your opinions suck, but I'm suffering through reading them. Fantasy DVD discussion is worse than trying to hope the Cruiserweight Division was something important.

 

If you want a REAL reason, then here...

 

NONE of those TV matches are worth remembering except Angles miracle carry of Kane. The match with Rhyno I can't even remember when it happend. The Austin match was horribly booked to make Angle look like he couldn't hold onto the title without Triple H's help. Unforgiven is a useless show and is a lame switch because of 9/11.

 

Angle vs. Undertaker from Series is horrible, with the dumbest fucking finish of 2000 with the switching Angles. Hell in a Cell @ Armageddon was the worst ever and once again Angle is booked like he couldn't have won on his own (he got the cover because everyone knocked each other out).

 

The WCW Title win is pointless since the reign lasted a week, and since you don't even KNOW which Rock match where Angle "snaps" that you're talking about it, the match obviously means nothing.

[Guest Dazed]

Your opinions suck, but I'm suffering through reading them. Fantasy DVD discussion is worse than trying to hope the Cruiserweight Division was something important.

 

Quit it, both of you. If you want to discuss the DVD, then do, but if you don't, please go away. And if fantasy DVD discussion sucks (it does), then don't read the thread.

 

If you want a REAL reason, then here...

 

Couldn't you have just posted that int he first place?

[Guest LooneyTune]

I didn't feel like arguing because I felt putting so many pointless TV matches was a bad idea, but since I was baited into it, I gave in. Now I'm done arguing.

[Guest Dazed]

I didn't feel like arguing because I felt putting so many pointless TV matches was a bad idea, but since I was baited into it, I gave in. Now I'm done arguing.

Appreciated. Thanks.

[Guest Wisdom]

I still love my Hulk Still Rules DVD

Ya know. I like it too. Outside if Hoagan's revisionist history, the matches are REALLY good.

[Guest Ransome]

Here's what I would put (for Angle)...

 

- His Sunday Night Heat match from the Summer of 1999 (I forgot who he fought)

- His "Official" Debut vs. Shawn Stasiak (SSeries 99)

- IC Title win vs. Chris Jericho (NWO00)

- KOTR win vs. Rikishi (KOTR00)

- World Title win vs. The Rock (NM00)

- Angle vs. Benoit (WM X-7)

- Angle vs. Austin (SSlam01)

- Angle vs. Edge (Backlash02)

- Angle vs. Hogan (KOTR02)

- Angle/Benoit winning SD tag titles (I think they won at least... stupid titles)

- Angle return footage (Spring 2003)

- Angle vs. Lesnar (IronMan...I hate it, but we know it might make it to DVD)

- Angle vs. Eddie (2/3 Falls from September04 SD)

For what it's worth, I'd much rather buy this (LooneyTune's) fantasy DVD than Dark Age's wacky list of matches. Although, I wouldn't put the Ironman match given that it eats up an hour of time that could be used valuably elsewhere, and I'd use the Judgment Day match with Edge instead. Sure, Backlash 02 was the better match, but JD has to go on for historical purposes. Well, even if it's just in a clipped or easter egg form.

 

Although, I guess it's a little pointless arguing about potential matches since WWE aren't gonna release an Angle DVD anytime soon, given that half of his wrestling career came during 1999-2002. Too much hassle to blur out all those WWF logos when they could release a more suitable wrestler's DVD in the meantime. At least, say, if they did a career retrospective on Austin they could draw heavily from WCW and ECW, even though his peak came in 98-99. Besides, it might be better to wait a couple years until Angle retires to truly get a representative cross-section of his entire career in hindsight.

[Guest The Shadow Behind You]

Here's what I would put (for Angle)...

 

- His Sunday Night Heat match from the Summer of 1999 (I forgot who he fought)

- His "Official" Debut vs. Shawn Stasiak (SSeries 99)

- IC Title win vs. Chris Jericho (NWO00)

- KOTR win vs. Rikishi (KOTR00)

- World Title win vs. The Rock (NM00)

- Angle vs. Benoit (WM X-7)

- Angle vs. Austin (SSlam01)

- Angle vs. Edge (Backlash02)

- Angle vs. Hogan (KOTR02)

- Angle/Benoit winning SD tag titles (I think they won at least... stupid titles)

- Angle return footage (Spring 2003)

- Angle vs. Lesnar (IronMan...I hate it, but we know it might make it to DVD)

- Angle vs. Eddie (2/3 Falls from September04 SD)

For what it's worth, I'd much rather buy this (LooneyTune's) fantasy DVD than Dark Age's wacky list of matches. Although, I wouldn't put the Ironman match given that it eats up an hour of time that could be used valuably elsewhere, and I'd use the Judgment Day match with Edge instead. Sure, Backlash 02 was the better match, but JD has to go on for historical purposes. Well, even if it's just in a clipped or easter egg form.

 

what about my list?

what about shadow's list?

what about me!

 

:Pouts in corner with look of disconcern:

[Dark Age 0]

Nothing wrong with wackiness, my friend.

 

Really, though, I was thinking of a DVD that I'd like more than anything, so I'd see why others wouldn't like it. It's all good. More important is that they release an Angle DVD period.

[SuperJerk 0]

Best of Confidential

Outside of Bulldog/Hart, No.

I must be the only person in the known universe who liked the Survivor Series 97 main event (enidng not withstanding). Buy it for THAT, also.

[Guest sek69]

I finally got the Rise and Fall of ECW DVD today and several things came to mind:

 

1. WWE needs to get Paul Heyman a more active role on the mic. His impression of Steve Austin had me cracking up.

 

2. How ironic it was to see Vince wax poetic about how much Paul loves the business, yet he allows Steph to convince him that Paul doesn't belong on the creative staff.

 

3. TNN absolutely threw ECW under the bus. Yes, the company was starting to founder but TNN basically used ECW as bait to get the WWE TV deal. I still think that if ECW would have been on a network that did at least a half ass job of promoting their show, they could have outlasted WCW and been a haven for all the guys WWE didn't want to sign.

 

4. Eric Bischoff is either the best heel in the history of wrestling, or he really is that big of a douche for real. His attempt to defend WCW raiding ECW's talent was hilarious. "When Vince aquired talent from the territories before going national, was that considered a talent raid?" Uh, yeah Eric, it kinda was. Of course it allowed Paul to make the only logical response, "Bullshit".

[Art Sandusky 0]

The ECW DVD is the best of the ones I've seen thus far. The Monday Night War DVD was disappointing, not for any revisionist stuff (I felt it was pretty evenly told), but because it really REALLY warranted two discs. I suppose they didn't want to go to the trouble of blurring all the Raw stuff.

[Guest sek69]

I was under the impression the Monday Night War DVD was pretty much the WWE Approved version of history (ie: they neglect the parts where WCW was kicking their asses).

[The Mandarin 0]

Best of Confidential

Outside of Bulldog/Hart, No.

I must be the only person in the known universe who liked the Survivor Series 97 main event (enidng not withstanding). Buy it for THAT, also.

I haven't seen it since it first aired, but I loved the outside of the ring brawl.

[David Blazenwing 0]

It's hard to find any pre-2003 WWE dvd releases around here (Milwaukee) without getting lucky... there's one place I go where I've picked up several used 2001-2002 dvds, but brand new, they only have end of 2003-2004 shows and specials.

 

As far as favorites go, though, I gotta go with Triple H: The Game. I liked it and it's still one of the few wwe dvds I've watched more than once. It's a pretty good feature if you ignore all the stupid backstage crap he pulls IRL.

[Art Sandusky 0]

I was under the impression the Monday Night War DVD was pretty much the WWE Approved version of history (ie: they neglect the parts where WCW was kicking their asses).

Unless you're really smarky, you'll see it pretty even-keeled. They say they (the WWF) were losing a lot during the course of the program.

[ChrisMWaters 0]

I personally feel that the Monday Night War DVD could have been a 3 disc set.

 

Disc 1 would be the main feature.

 

Disc 2 would be the best of WCW, showing the things that WCW did during the period that helped them get ratings victories.

 

Disc 3 would be WWF (saying WWF since that's what it was at the time) tricks and best ofs showing how they got victories.

 

For the WCW disc...if there'd be enough room on it...maybe include both the first AND last Nitros on there...or at least the two Ric Flair/Sting matches from the first and last Nitros.

[The Mandarin 0]

I picked up the Trish Stratus DVD, Bloodbath and No Mercy 2002 today for about $30.

 

Zellers is doing some clearance and they were all on sale as were other DVDs. They had them as recent as the Great American Bash for $7.99, which is a pretty good price. Sadly, I couldn't find Backlash 2004, and when I did find the HOF DVD, it was $32.99 which makes absolutely no sense considering Bloodbath is just as many disks and almost as recent.

[Guest sek69]

WWE DVD related question here:

 

Does anyone have a scan of the ECW DVD cover, front and back?

[Lil' Bitch 0]

Here's the front:

 

[Guest The Shadow Behind You]

That's another thing, I LOVE the Covers for the dvd's

 

esp for Guerrero's, ECW and Flair's.

 

Benoit was atrocious.

 

I wish they'd use the packaging for Flair's more often. I hate conventional boxes. As far as I can remember, only WMXX and Flair have special boxes for them.

[Guest LooneyTune]

My Benoit case broke the 2nd or 3rd time I opened it (the holder for the 2nd disc broke in one of the hinges), so yeah, shitty packaging. The cover wasn't too bad, but it doesn't stand out. Ditto for Hulk Still Rules. They could've used a better, maybe more nostalgic picture of Hogan.