Lesnar extends his hand to Inoki

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

Jason really likes to talk about things that he doesn't know a thing about.

 

That's pretty bad that they've only pulled in 12k for the show so far. That's almost unheard of for the 1/4 show but I can't really blame them with that shitty three way being the main event.

Jason really likes to talk about things that he doesn't know a thing about.

 

This much we know.

 

That's pretty bad that they've only pulled in 12k for the show so far.

 

It's not bad; it's transitionary.

 

That's almost unheard of for the 1/4 show

 

The worst crowd for a January Dome show from New Japan was in 2002, when they drew about 30,000.

[Guest Salacious Crumb]

The worst crowd for a January Dome show from New Japan was in 2002, when they drew about 30,000.

 

Ah I wasn't sure on that. I went on the safe side because I figured if I said it's the worst drawing 1/4 ever that someone would pop right on and debunk it. I'm sure they'll manage to paper it to 20k but still.

[Guest Jason]

New Japan's January Dome show is about a week away, and they've sold only about 12,000 tickets. They can't even give them away; people who are given freebies have been tossing them in the trash. Maybe Jason, whose knowledge of Japanese wrestling is clearly on a level far above us all, can use his great wisdom to tell us how this isn't a sign that Japanese wrestling is suffering, and is merely in a 'transition stage'.

That's complete and utter bullshit. The January Dome show is coming up, but you have no idea how many tickets they've sold, nor have they begun to give away freebies. What proof do you have that people are throwing away freebies? Zero whatsoever, because you pulled that out of your ass. But why do you stray off topic? As far as I'm concerned, this argument is over, because it begun at your "Lesnar may be NJPW's last chance at survival" statement, which I've already shown was completely inaccurate. I was pointing out that NJPW is the biggest promotion in Japan and that they are here to stay.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

New Japan's January Dome show is about a week away, and they've sold only about 12,000 tickets. They can't even give them away; people who are given freebies have been tossing them in the trash. Maybe Jason, whose knowledge of Japanese wrestling is clearly on a level far above us all, can use his great wisdom to tell us how this isn't a sign that Japanese wrestling is suffering, and is merely in a 'transition stage'.

That's complete and utter bullshit. The January Dome show is coming up, but you have no idea how many tickets they've sold, nor have they begun to give away freebies. What proof do you have that people are throwing away freebies? Zero whatsoever, because you pulled that out of your ass. But why do you stray off topic? As far as I'm concerned, this argument is over, because it begun at your "Lesnar may be NJPW's last chance at survival" statement, which I've already shown was completely inaccurate. I was pointing out that NJPW is the biggest promotion in Japan and that they are here to stay.

That's complete and utter bullshit. The January Dome show is coming up, but you have no idea how many tickets they've sold, nor have they begun to give away freebies. What proof do you have that people are throwing away freebies? Zero whatsoever, because you pulled that out of your ass.

 

This guy called Dave Meltzer. Maybe you've heard of him.

 

As far as I'm concerned, this argument is over, because it begun at your "Lesnar may be NJPW's last chance at survival" statement, which I've already shown was completely inaccurate.

 

There is one small problem with that: I never said Lesnar may be their last chance at survival. First rule of debating with someone: Make sure you are debating over something the other guy actually said.

 

I was pointing out that NJPW is the biggest promotion in Japan and that they are here to stay.

 

They are here to stay, and I never said otherwise. I was just pointing out that they have no competition for their spot as top Japanese promotion.

[Guest Jason]

This guy called Dave Meltzer. Maybe you've heard of him. 

 

The same person that Panda Energy's apparantly calling a liar.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

This guy called Dave Meltzer. Maybe you've heard of him. 

 

The same person that Panda Energy's apparantly calling a liar.

Well, if Panda energy said it, it must be true.

[Guest Jason]

Thanks for proving my point, because "if Dave Meltzer said it, it MUST be true." Besides, considering the rumors Meltzer spread were about Panda Energy, I'd assume them true.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

Thanks for proving my point, because "if Dave Meltzer said it, it MUST be true." Besides, considering the rumors Meltzer spread were about Panda Energy, I'd assume them true.

Are you seriously trying to compare the credibility of Dave Meltzer to Panda Energy ?

[Guest Salacious Crumb]

Thanks for proving my point, because "if Dave Meltzer said it, it MUST be true." Besides, considering the rumors Meltzer spread were about Panda Energy, I'd assume them true.

Are you seriously trying to compare the credibility of Dave Meltzer to Panda Energy ?

No he's just saying Hitler was misunderstood.

[Guest Jason]

I'm referring to Meltzer's claims that Panda Energy dropped TNA. Panda Energy has apparantly spoken out and claimed these rumors false, an example of Meltzer's common inaccuracy. Anyway, what use is this thread any more? You fail to acknowledge the initial argument, anyways.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

I'm referring to Meltzer's claims that Panda Energy dropped TNA. Panda Energy has apparantly spoken out and claimed these rumors false, an example of Meltzer's common inaccuracy.

Dave never said Panda had dropped TNA. What he actually said was that Panda have apparently given Jerry Jarrett a deadline to find a new money mark for TNA, or they are pulling the plug. And it appears that Jerry has been telling people that he has found two potential money marks to once again buy into TNA.

 

Anyway, what use is this thread any more? You fail to acknowledge the initial argument, anyways.

 

I talked about the initial points in this thread. You just responded with babbling idiocy.

[Guest Jason]

Dave Meltzer reported that Panda Energy was dropping TNA, and thus they had 90 days to find a new financial backer. But this has zero to do with the initial argument, it's just a result of your straying off topic because you've failed to prove me wrong about the original statement. And once again, you fail to touch base on the initial argument. Is it all about the last word with you, because you continue to bring up useless arguments that in no way have relevance to the subject of the thread.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

I'm going to paraphrase the credible and logical points that have come up in this thread, and then I'm going to leave it alone, because Jason's stupidity is beginning to get tiresome.

 

1: New Japan, while not close to dying yet, are in a slump, and have been for a while now. To try and argue otherwise, by claiming it's a 'transition period', for example, is just stupid, and shows a complete lack of understanding of Japanese wrestling, and business in general. The fact that their annual January Dome Show is looking like it won't even half fill the Tokyo Dome is pretty strong proof they are slumping, and bad,

 

2: Misawa and Muto might be junior heavyweight in size, but 99.99% of everything they ever drew saw them pushed as heavyweights. Using them to try and claim junior heavyweights can draw is illogical, because when they drew they were pushed as heavyweights.

 

3: Gedo and Jado will never be superstars. They just don't have what it takes to make it as top guys in a major promotion.

 

4: Jason, you are an absolute fucking idiot, who doesn't know a thing about Japanese wrestling.

[SinToxic 0]

Jado and Gedo are already at the top and in a major promotion. They have won uncountable amount of tag titles all over the indies and in NJ. As a junior tag they are a top heel team in the country (single rank is still held strong by Mr. Dick Togo). What else do you want them to do in order to achieve this superstardom you keep mentioning?

 

Yes so unless they put on 50 lbs each and blossom 6'2 statues there is nothing more they need to cover in the junior division field.

[Guest Black Tiger]

This isn't a thread to call Jason an idiot, there is a place called "Hardcore discussion" for that specific purpose. He may be wrong on a lot of things, but so were all of us when we first started following puroresu. I'm not saying to be all nicey nice, but there is zero need to go out of your way to be an asshole.

 

Jason: Regarding your Mutoh and Misawa examples. Mutoh weighed in at about 240 for most of his prime period, far from a junior heavyweight. Misawa started as a junior and moved up to heavyweight in 1986, four years before he got any sort of significant push. Kobashi, who wrestles like a junior weighs in at about 260, but got as high up as 280.

 

As far as drawing goes, Lyger/Kanemoto vs Kikuchi/Kanemaru on 1/26/03, after a ton of buildup with the year long NOAH vs NJ Junior feud, did a mere 3,800 in a 6,000 seat arena. This spring alone, both KENTA/Marufuji vs Suzuki/Marvin for the tag titles (on the same show with a re-match from 6/6/03 GHC Tag Title match) failed to sell out, as well as the much anticipated GHC Jr. Title match of Lyger vs Kikuchi.

[Guest thatdude21601]

So anyway...

 

I hope Brock F5's Nakamura. That would be swell.

[Toshiaki Koala 0]

Jado and Gedo are already at the top and in a major promotion. They have won uncountable amount of tag titles all over the indies and in NJ. As a junior tag they are a top heel team in the country (single rank is still held strong by Mr. Dick Togo). What else do you want them to do in order to achieve this superstardom you keep mentioning?

*Pictures Gedo as Triple Crown Champion.*

 

*Dies.*

[Austin3164life 0]

NJPW suffers from poor booking. NOAH is hot on their heels in terms of who the biggest company is, and Brock Lesnar in NOAH would be FAR better than him being in NJPW. Lesnar could be the next AJPW-like gaijin monster draw for NOAH, and someone for Kobashi to drop the GHC to for a while until they build up the next ace (seemingly Takeshi Rikio, but that's doubtful). NOAH could use Lesnar more than NJPW.