A New College Hoops Thread.....

[2GOLD 0]

Well then, better hope they don't get a one in the NCAA tournament. Cause then they would have to suffer the sad sad "FIRST #1 SEED TEAM TO LOSE IN FIRST ROUND".

 

And I think that might make your head explode.

[2GOLD 0]

Oh and since everyone else is handling the top of College Basketball, I decided it would be fun to see which College Basketball fans we can feel a touch bad for in 2005. I present, the 10 teams at the bottom of the rung of College Basketball

 

#10 Towson Tigers (5-22, 2-15) CAAC

#9 New Mexico State Aggies (5-23, 1-14) Sun Belt

#8 Prairie View A&M Panthers (4-19, 4-10) SWAC

#7 Sacred Heart Pioneers (4-22, 3-14) Northeast Conference

#6 Army Black Knights (3-23, 1-13) Patriot League

#5 Centenary Gentlemen (3-23, 1-14) MCC

#4 St Bonaventure Bonnies (2-24, 1-14) A-10

#3 UMES Hawks (2-24, 1-16) MEAC

#2 Campbell Fighting Camels (2-25, 0-20) Atlantic Sun

#1 Savannah State Tigers (0-28) Indy

 

Can you say OUCH?

[Damaramu 0]

Well then, better hope they don't get a one in the NCAA tournament. Cause then they would have to suffer the sad sad "FIRST #1 SEED TEAM TO LOSE IN FIRST ROUND".

 

And I think that might make your head explode.

Well this team confuses me. If my head hasn't exploded from confusion yet this season then it's not going to anytime soon.

 

Nah they'll be a 5 or 6 seed.

[CanadianChris 0]

Incidentally, Pennsylvania (17-8, 10-1) clinched the Ivy League title and the first spot in the NCAA tournament yesterday.

[cabbageboy 0]

Well U of L managed to stagger to a win last night vs. Memphis in that epic rematch. Wonder if ESPN is glad they hyped it as their Sat. night game now after it was 53-44? Haha. We're not out of the woods yet though, gotta take out Charlotte in what is the REAL big game (this Memphis game was overhyped). If we lose to Charlotte on Senior Night with the conf. title on the line, we're a disgrace.

 

If BC gets a 1 seed this year they might be a 1 who could perhaps lose to a 16, or more likely have a very dangerous win by less than 10. Keep in mind BC has struggled against teams like Yale.

[Damaramu 0]

The Jayhawks beat The Cowboys in Lawrence in what IMO was the best basketball game of the year so far. That was hot.

[Mik 0]

Anybody catch the UNC/Maryland game?

 

Sean May blocks a shot to end the game. UNC was up 10 for most of the 2nd half but Maryland made a run with 3 consecutive three pointers. UNC clawed back, took the lead on a Felton layup and May blocked one of Maryland's shooters to end the game. Great finish.

 

That's the last road game for the Heels, now hopefully we can get a similar result next Sunday here in Chapel Hill (v Duke).

[iggymcfly 0]

If BC gets a 1 seed this year they might be a 1 who could perhaps lose to a 16, or more likely have a very dangerous win by less than 10.  Keep in mind BC has struggled against teams like Yale.

I don't really see that happening at all. The critique on Boston College all year has been that they've been beating bad teams. Well, what are they gonna do in the 1/16 game? Play a bad team. They'll be right in their element and they should win with no trouble.

 

No 1 seeds will actually lose this year, but if one team had a chance, it would probably be Wake. They've had a tendency to let up a little bit against lower-level teams like Florida State, and there's no reason to think they might not do the same in the first round of the tournament.

[Damaramu 0]

Are you saying that all number 1's are going to the Final Four or that none will lose in the first round?

[mike546 0]

UCONN is really hot right now. Huge win in at Pitt. yesterday, and we have a HUGE game coming up against BC to decide if we can get a share of the big east crown.

[iggymcfly 0]

Are you saying that all number 1's are going to the Final Four or that none will lose in the first round?

First round. Sorry, can see how that could be confusing.

[iggymcfly 0]

It's Sunday night again, so here are some new college basketball rankings.

 

1. Illinois 28-0

2. North Carolina 24-3

3. Boston College 23-2

4. Duke 21-4

5. Wake Forest 24-4

6. Kansas 21-4

7. Kentucky 22-3

8. Oklahoma State 20-5

9. Washington 23-4

10. Connecticut 19-6

11. Syracuse 24-5

12. Villanova 19-6

13. Michigan State 20-5

14. Gonzaga 22-4

15. Oklahoma 21-6

16. Louisville 24-4

17. Arizona 24-5

18. Pacific 23-2

19. Pittsburgh 18-7

20. Wisconsin 18-7

21. Charlotte 21-4

22. Alabama 21-6

23. Utah 24-4

24. Texas Tech 17-8

25. Texas 19-8

[Damaramu 0]

Still not giving up on Texas Tech?

[iggymcfly 0]

There's not really anyone else to plug in there. Florida, Cincinnatti, and Texas A&M are the only major conference teams with better records, and all the unranked mid-majors have at least five losses.

 

TT looks better than A&M in conference, and the SEC and CUSA are pretty woeful this year. I even thought about putting GT in there, but I can't justify that until they have more than one big win to hang their hats on.

[cabbageboy 0]

Wake would not lose 1st round to anyone. I trust in teams that squash people badly, that ability alone can get someone to the Sweet 16 before the real competition begins. Note that last year UK and Stanford were both teams that had trouble putting people away, or squashing much of anyone. And they both tanked in the 2nd round.

 

BC is very similar really, they kinda huff and puff their way past a lot of bleh teams. They'll probably stagger past someone 1st round, but after that all bets are off.

[Guest Mosaicv2]

Fuck Pittsburgh! they play like shit against other teams... but against BC, their great. Dickheads!

[Vern Gagne 0]

#2 Campbell Fighting Camels (2-25, 0-20) Atlantic Sun

 

It would be understandable, if they were just the Camels, but Fighting Camels. Totally unaceptable.

[Damaramu 0]

And Pitt just beats on BC. That was brutal. I sure hope these guys don't get a #1 seed. They're ripe for a tourney upset. Or hell if they don't get upset they're going to get killed by one of the good teams in the tourney.

[Damaramu 0]

OU and Texas are going at it right now. Any chance Texas doesn't make the tourney?

[iggymcfly 0]

Oh, they completely blew any chance they had at a 1 seed tonight. That's exactly the kind of game that the committee will keep at the forefront of their memory. In fact, if they don't do well in the Big East tourney, they might not even get a 2 seed at this point.

 

BTW, I think Pittsburgh's a team that could do great come tourney time. It seems like they just jerk off when they're playing shitty teams, but they really step it up against good teams. They swept Syracuse, and beat both Boston College and Connecticut on the road. I'm getting an Elite Eight vibe with them, possibly even Final Four if they get an easy bracket.

[sfaJack 0]

I don't see Texas missing the Tournament. Even if they lose their last two and bow out in the first round of the Big 12 tourney (which I don't think they will), they'd still be 19-11, with a .500 record in a major conference. I think that'd be good enough.

[Damaramu 0]

OU's giving Texas all they want and more.

I'm so surprised and happy with this OU team. I'll be estatic for a Sweet 16 though! After not making the tourney last year I won't shoot too high this year. Haha.

 

Are we going to start a new thread for conference tourneys?

[Damaramu 0]

54-37 at this moment. Texas is getting eaten for lunch.

[Damaramu 0]

Wow OU just killed Texas. 74-58. I think we're playing good enough to actually win in Lubbock. I'm hoping.

And if Kansas loses again(doubtful) we can get a share of that Big XII regular season crown. Hell OU has a chance to win the Big XII tourney.

Wonder what seed we're going to get now?

This is so great after last year and not even making the fucking tournament.

[cabbageboy 0]

Didn't OU have some guys get hurt last year though? Bookout perhaps? Anyway Texas is struggling right now so OU needed to just take care of business tonight and they did.

 

Dama I am quite impressed with the Big 12 as a conf. Teams in it can shoot well on a good night (OSU/KU yesterday), teams can get after it defensively, teams are tough....it's a good league, underrated perhaps.

 

For whatever reason I kinda thought Pitt wasn't a good matchup for BC. In seeing BC this year they seem kinda like a 2nd rate Pitt that has just been luckier in some close games than Pitt. As in they play these ugly 60-58 type games, get after people defensively, but don't really score much. And let's face it, Pitt is the master of their vicious style, as they proved tonight. I still don't think you can win it all with such a bone and club style, but Pitt can beat anyone on a good night. In fact when you look at everyone in the BE at their best, I still think Pitt is the most dangerous.

[Damaramu 0]

Well on ESPN radio last night one of the guys said top to bottom it was better than the ACC and Big East. Now I don't really agree with that at all. But I think aside from those two there isn't a conference close to it.

 

OU didn't have Bookout last year no. And they had a couple of other guys hurt. And they had mostly Freshman. If one guy fouled out and another was in foul trouble we were in danger of not having enough guys to play.

I think against Colorado we had the 5 guys on the court and that was ALL we had for the 4th quarter. It sucked.

 

Yeah that's a good excuse for not making the tourney but I was still disappointed. I mean we'd made it to 9 straight before.

[KingPK 0]

Boston College probably played themselves right out of a #1 seed tonight. Al Skinner is Coach of the Year no doubt, but they might not even reach the finals of the Big East tourney, let alone make noise in the Big Dance.

[Guest Ether]

For whatever reason I kinda thought Pitt wasn't a good matchup for BC. In seeing BC this year they seem kinda like a 2nd rate Pitt that has just been luckier in some close games than Pitt. As in they play these ugly 60-58 type games, get after people defensively, but don't really score much. And let's face it, Pitt is the master of their vicious style, as they proved tonight. I still don't think you can win it all with such a bone and club style, but Pitt can beat anyone on a good night. In fact when you look at everyone in the BE at their best, I still think Pitt is the most dangerous.

It's easy to say this after the game, but I figured the opposite; that BC was a great matchup for Pitt. With the exception of UConn, when Pitt shot 48% from the foul line, all the other teams that beat Pitt did it with hot 3 point shooting. BC I beleive is last in the Big East in 3-point shooting, so they probably weren't going to pull that stunt.

 

As much as I want to see Judas U. (BC) lose every game badly, I do think they'll be fine in the tournament. I think they ran into a bad matchup against what had to be a desparate Pitt team that needed the win to make sure they make the NCAA tournament. They do play in the Big East, where there are no easy matchups, and have beaten UConn, Syracuse, and Villanova, so it's not like they are incapable of beating a good team.

[cabbageboy 0]

Ether we actually agree here, just read what I said again...I said Pitt wasn't a good matchup at all for BC, meaning that Pitt would trash em.

 

While Pitt has lost 7 games this year most of these losses have at least been on their terms. As in games they were winning 65-62 they lost by that same score.

 

Dama, I think the Big 12 is actually better than the ACC. The ACC is a total 3 team league right now with UNC, Duke, and Wake. Yeah there are some others that are dangerous on a given night (Maryland, Ga Tech, Va Tech) but for the most part everyone else is underachieving. Well aside from Va Tech who is overachieving, heh.

 

The Big East is a very tough conf. from top to bottom but I don't think the league really has a truly legit title contender. BC is being exposed by the minute, I can't see UConn repeating, and Cuse hasn't proved they can beat anyone that is ranked.

 

The Big 12 has some serious title contenders (OK St., maybe Kansas on a good night) and there are also teams like OU that I could see making a run. TX Tech is up and down, but I can see them maybe going Sweet 16 with the right bracket. Hell even jobbers like Iowa St. and Nebraska can pull the occasional upset.

[iggymcfly 0]

The ACC's not as good as they were last year, but they're still the best conference in the country from top to bottom.

 

The reason they're a "three-team league" is just that their elite teams are better than the elite teams from the other major conferences. Carolina and Wake are better than OSU and Kansas, and Duke is better than Oklahoma. Meanwhile, Ga. Tech and Maryland were both ranked when the non-conference slate ended, and it's only the grind of the ACC schedule that knocked them down. Even if you figure that Texas Tech and Texas are slightly better than GT and Maryland right now, there's still Kansas State, Baylor, Nebraska, and Colorado that are worse than anyone in the ACC except Florida State.

 

I'd say right now, the conferences look something like this:

 

1. ACC- Still the best conference in all the land. Only one team with a losing record, and three legit national title contenders. (4 if you count GT)

2. Big XII- Solid conference with six tourney teams and two national title contenders.

3. Big East- Extremely solid in the middle, but no elite teams, and cellar dwellers like St. Johns and Rutgers really bring them down.

4. Big Ten- Illinois is kind of carrying them, as there are some real dogs toward the bottom.

5. Pac Ten- There's a dropoff after Arizona and Washington but not a large enough one to be embarrassing.

6. SEC- Fallen off huge this year, as only Kentucky and Alabama are maintaing previous levels.

7. Conference USA- Easing their way into next year's mid-major status. Louisville's the only really legit team and they're on the way out.

8. West Coast Conference- More than just Gonzaga this year. St. Mary's is solid enough to get NCAA consideration and only 2 teams have losing records.