The Daily Bowl Discussion Thread: January 1st

[Art Sandusky 0]

For the second year in a row, the only team that the polls will be able to agree on is USC. Amazing.

 

I don't think Auburn will kill Virginia Tech. Auburn's not a team that blows people out, even though they have the ability. Only SEC team I can really remember that consciously ran up the score was Spurrier-era Florida. It's just not how we play down here. If the Tigers want to make a statement and lay a claim to the national championship they'll probably have to annhilate Virginia Tech by 30 or something.

[USC Wuz Robbed! 0]

For the second year in a row, the only team that the polls will be able to agree on is USC. Amazing.

 

I don't think Auburn will kill Virginia Tech. Auburn's not a team that blows people out, even though they have the ability. Only SEC team I can really remember that consciously ran up the score was Spurrier-era Florida. It's just not how we play down here. If the Tigers want to make a statement and lay a claim to the national championship they'll probably have to annhilate Virginia Tech by 30 or something.

I'm not saying its in their nature to blowout by 30 or more. I'm just saying I doubt Auburn will let VT score. So the game will likely be a shutout or a very low-scoring affair on the VT side. Still won't be enough for the AP or anyone to consider them over USC or OU. If they didn't in the season, they won't now.

[Art Sandusky 0]

Sadly, you're right. This was their only shot for the next couple of years at a national championship too. Last year's underacheiving team made this the do-or-die season, but they weren't given enough love in the preseason polls.

 

If anything, the only revision I'd want in the BCS and polls and whatnot would be to not release a single poll until the first week of October.

[Damaramu 0]

I think if USC wins the Orange then AP will vote for them, but I think if OU wins then the AP might vote Auburn as their champ if they win as well.

No way OU doesn't win both polls when they win on Tuesday.

 

This analysis of the Orange Bowl is confusing me.

Before the hype of the week all the ESPN guys and sports writers could talk about was how USC was going to win a close game.

 

Now they've all changed their tune and are saying that OU is to physical for USC and that OU will win.

 

Why the sudden change in attitude? Why can't they make up their mind?

[USC Wuz Robbed! 0]

I think if USC wins the Orange then AP will vote for them, but I think if OU wins then the AP might vote Auburn as their champ if they win as well.

No way OU doesn't win both polls when they win on Tuesday.

 

This analysis of the Orange Bowl is confusing me.

Before the hype of the week all the ESPN guys and sports writers could talk about was how USC was going to win a close game.

 

Now they've all changed their tune and are saying that OU is to physical for USC and that OU will win.

 

Why the sudden change in attitude? Why can't they make up their mind?

They saw the Cal/Texas Tech game... nuff said.

[Damaramu 0]

Ok the game is 3 days away. Let's open that Orange Bowl thread back up. I think it's time to talk about the game.

Me and Slasher can have some good convo on this since we're both giving the other team credit.

USC hasn't seen a team this physical but I dunno if OU has seen an offense like this. So it should be good.

I've seen some good analysis from everyone and I've calmed down a lot and am ready to speak rationally about the game. I'm not going to blow up or anything.

Unshackle me!

 

Oh and what do you mean about the Cal/Tech game? What does that have to do with the Orange Bowl?

[USC Wuz Robbed! 0]

Well the sports announcers saw a #3/#4 team defeat a #2 team in the Big 12 South/Pac-10 matchup. Using that logic, they probably came to the conclusion that we would expect the same from the Orange Bowl. Honestly I agree with them. OU IS too physical for USC. However USC can still win if they string together some scoring drives. And USC's defense is decent enough to hang with OU's offense. Though I see it coming down to Bush/Leinart vs the OU defense and Peterson vs the USC defense. I don't see OU passing too much, probably to get Peterson used to having the offense being revolved around him next year.

[Art Sandusky 0]

I think if USC wins the Orange then AP will vote for them, but I think if OU wins then the AP might vote Auburn as their champ if they win as well.

No way OU doesn't win both polls when they win on Tuesday.

Never say this, ever.

[Damaramu 0]

Well the sports announcers saw a #3/#4 team defeat a #2 team in the Big 12 South/Pac-10 matchup. Using that logic, they probably came to the conclusion that we would expect the same from the Orange Bowl. Honestly I agree with them. OU IS too physical for USC. However USC can still win if they string together some scoring drives. And USC's defense is decent enough to hang with OU's offense. Though I see it coming down to Bush/Leinart vs the OU defense and Peterson vs the USC defense. I don't see OU passing too much, probably to get Peterson used to having the offense being revolved around him next year.

I don't think they'd risk a national title just so Peterson is comfortable next year.

 

They're going to do what they've done all season. They'll run Peterson and test the waters and if he can't get anything going then White will go nuts with Clayton, Bradley, Wilson, Peoples, and Jones.

Seriously I don't think any QB has as great of a recieving core to throw to as Jason White does.

And that's another problem I saw that USC will have. All of OU's recievers are bigger than USC's DB's and Clayton may be faster than all of them. So they'd better hope they don't get 1 on 1 with any of OU's recievers deep.

 

If Leinart can repeatedly air it out long not in the direction of Antonio Perkins then they'll definitely do good on offense. But I do not think USC will win this game running the ball.

[Art Sandusky 0]

Reggie Bush can catch too. He doesn't have to just run, that's why he's so incredibly valuable to USC's effort and potentially stymieing for the OU defense.

[Damaramu 0]

Reggie Bush can catch too. He doesn't have to just run, that's why he's so incredibly valuable to USC's effort and potentially stymieing for the OU defense.

OU's gonna key on him as well. He's what's dangerous.

The problem is that OU really just has to look at Leinart, Bush, and Jarrett to bust big plays on them.

But USC has to watch White, Peterson, and about 4 wide recievers.

 

Whatever happens it's going to be good. Hell if we lose a close game, but a great game, I'll be dissapointed but not furious if we play our best.

 

There's a difference in attitude too. I dunno if it's a good thing for us or not. But USC's players are nothing but complimentary of OU's players and are saying "It's going to be close but we'll win."

 

OU however is not that complimentary of USC(remember what Birdine said about Leinart?) and are saying "It'll be a blowout. We're going to wipe the field with them."

 

I dunno if it's a good thing to have that attitude or not. It shows confidence but it also shows cockiness which is a dagger in the heart for a lot of teams, including OU as seen last year.

 

Basically I wish they'd all shut their mouths and focus. Let the fans do the talking guys. You play the game.

 

Oh if this were wrestling or a movie who would be the heels? I just have a feeling OU is the heel team always. But I don't know why.

[Art Sandusky 0]

The Orange Bowl is totally Super Bowl XXXVI.

 

USC = Patriots, OU = Rams.

[Damaramu 0]

The Orange Bowl is totally Super Bowl XXXVI.

 

USC = Patriots, OU = Rams.

Why are we the Rams? They're ranked #1 and won the title last year.

We're the underdogs!

[USC Wuz Robbed! 0]

He meant in terms of styles. USC has the more balanced attack (Yes I know OU has a good passing and running game but USC has guys who can do more than one thing).

[USC Wuz Robbed! 0]

Oh if this were wrestling or a movie who would be the heels? I just have a feeling OU is the heel team always. But I don't know why.

You just answered that question:

 

OU however is not that complimentary of USC(remember what Birdine said about Leinart?) and are saying "It'll be a blowout. We're going to wipe the field with them."

[Damaramu 0]

He meant in terms of styles. USC has the more balanced attack (Yes I know OU has a good passing and running game but USC has guys who can do more than one thing).

Yeah but OU's recievers can run and throw too. OU's got some trick plays. Remember that.

 

Mark Bradley has rushed a TD and thrown one I believe.

Mark Clayton can throw and do the Wide Reciever sweep as well.

Kejuan Jones can recieve as well.

[USC Wuz Robbed! 0]

Are you sure you can be objective?

 

USC is very good. Oklahoma is excellent. I see it coming down to whether or not USC can outscore OU. I personally think they can.

[Damaramu 0]

Are you sure you can be objective?

 

USC is very good. Oklahoma is excellent. I see it coming down to whether or not USC can outscore OU. I personally think they can.

I don't think this will be the high scoring shootout everyone thinks it is.

I think the D on both teams will step it up. It may be a 28-21 type game.

[USC Wuz Robbed! 0]

Are you sure you can be objective? 

 

USC is very good. Oklahoma is excellent. I see it coming down to whether or not USC can outscore OU. I personally think they can.

I don't think this will be the high scoring shootout everyone thinks it is.

I think the D on both teams will step it up. It may be a 28-21 type game.

Still will be about outscoring the opponent. It doesn't necessarily have to be a 42-41 game. As long as you outscore your opponent, you win. It's universal.

[Damaramu 0]

Are you sure you can be objective?

 

USC is very good. Oklahoma is excellent. I see it coming down to whether or not USC can outscore OU. I personally think they can.

Hey I just want everyone to know the strengths of my team.

On top of that I think they have like 39 sacks on the season. How many times has Leinart been sacked? He may not be used to the pressure.

 

But seriously USC's bread and butter in this game is going to be Reggie Bush and the deep ball.

[USC Wuz Robbed! 0]

It's too bad that LenDale White isn't 100%, because if OU forgets him like you apparently are, then it would bite them in the BUTT big-time.

[CanadianChris 0]

Are you sure you can be objective? 

 

USC is very good. Oklahoma is excellent. I see it coming down to whether or not USC can outscore OU. I personally think they can.

Hey I just want everyone to know the strengths of my team.

On top of that I think they have like 39 sacks on the season. How many times has Leinart been sacked? He may not be used to the pressure.

You could say the same about Jason White. USC's D-line has been even better than that with 46 sacks. That's the battle that will be the most interesting to watch.

[USC Wuz Robbed! 0]

Are you sure you can be objective? 

 

USC is very good. Oklahoma is excellent. I see it coming down to whether or not USC can outscore OU. I personally think they can.

Hey I just want everyone to know the strengths of my team.

On top of that I think they have like 39 sacks on the season. How many times has Leinart been sacked? He may not be used to the pressure.

You could say the same about Jason White. USC's D-line has been even better than that with 46 sacks. That's the battle that will be the most interesting to watch.

Thanks Chris. I was looking for that stat. I knew USC had more sacks.

[Damaramu 0]

Are you sure you can be objective? 

 

USC is very good. Oklahoma is excellent. I see it coming down to whether or not USC can outscore OU. I personally think they can.

Hey I just want everyone to know the strengths of my team.

On top of that I think they have like 39 sacks on the season. How many times has Leinart been sacked? He may not be used to the pressure.

You could say the same about Jason White. USC's D-line has been even better than that with 46 sacks. That's the battle that will be the most interesting to watch.

Yeah but I think OU's O-Line is better than USC's defensive line whereas OU's D-Line may have the advantage.

[CanadianChris 0]

Are you sure you can be objective? 

 

USC is very good. Oklahoma is excellent. I see it coming down to whether or not USC can outscore OU. I personally think they can.

Hey I just want everyone to know the strengths of my team.

On top of that I think they have like 39 sacks on the season. How many times has Leinart been sacked? He may not be used to the pressure.

You could say the same about Jason White. USC's D-line has been even better than that with 46 sacks. That's the battle that will be the most interesting to watch.

Yeah but I think OU's O-Line is better than USC's defensive line whereas OU's D-Line may have the advantage.

Why am I not surprised?

[Damaramu 0]

No what I'm saying is serious. OU has the best offensive line in the country. USC does not.

So that's why I think OU's O-Line will handle USC's D-Line and I don't think USC's O-Line will handle OU's D-Line as well as OU's O-Line is going to do things.

If it comes down to a battle of the O and D Lines then OU has the clear advantage. It's that simple.

[USC Wuz Robbed! 0]

No what I'm saying is serious. OU has the best offensive line in the country. USC does not.

So that's why I think OU's O-Line will handle USC's D-Line and I don't think USC's O-Line will handle OU's D-Line as well as OU's O-Line is going to do things.

If it comes down to a battle of the O and D Lines then OU has the clear advantage. It's that simple.

Ok no. I won't discuss it with you til Tuesday.

[CanadianChris 0]

No what I'm saying is serious. OU has the best offensive line in the country. USC does not.

So that's why I think OU's O-Line will handle USC's D-Line and I don't think USC's O-Line will handle OU's D-Line as well as OU's O-Line is going to do things.

If it comes down to a battle of the O and D Lines then OU has the clear advantage. It's that simple.

Your logic is so faulty I don't even know where to start.

 

First of all, OU's O-line isn't playing USC's O-line. Comparing one to the other is nonsensical, because they won't come into contact. There's no matchup.

 

Secondly, they're playing USC's D-line, which is likewise the best in the country. It's silly to say that one will definitely handle the other. The fact is, because they're both so good, we just don't know. That's why they're playing the game.

 

Thirdly, USC doesn't have to have a O-line better than OU's O-line. All they have to do is have an O-line better than OU's D-line. Do they? It's hard to tell.

[Guest pinnacleofallthingsmanly]

This is pathetic and that's all I'm going to say so that I don't get banned.

[USC Wuz Robbed! 0]

No what I'm saying is serious. OU has the best offensive line in the country. USC does not.

So that's why I think OU's O-Line will handle USC's D-Line and I don't think USC's O-Line will handle OU's D-Line as well as OU's O-Line is going to do things.

If it comes down to a battle of the O and D Lines then OU has the clear advantage. It's that simple.

Your logic is so faulty I don't even know where to start.

 

First of all, OU's O-line isn't playing USC's O-line. Comparing one to the other is nonsensical, because they won't come into contact. There's no matchup.

 

Secondly, they're playing USC's D-line, which is likewise the best in the country. It's silly to say that one will definitely handle the other. The fact is, because they're both so good, we just don't know. That's why they're playing the game.

 

Thirdly, USC doesn't have to have a O-line better than OU's O-line. All they have to do is have an O-line better than OU's D-line. Do they? It's hard to tell.

That's what Dama is saying. He's saying OU's O-line> USC's D-line and OU's D-line> USC's O-line. I only agree with half of it. Both defensive lines are better than the opponent's offensive line. Which is why I say it comes down to who outscores the opponent as being the one to win the game.