Meltzer on Batista

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I just had another thought. Last year, we saw Eddie get his due at No Way Out, and have a successful defense at WM, while the night was focused on Benoit's big win. Wouldn't (reportedly) having both Cena and Orton (or Batista) getting their big wins in the same night water things down?

See, I think giving the title to Cena might even be a WORSE decision than JBL, because the guy's character is fast becoming really stale, and he might be the most limited (ringwise) upper card guy in the company.

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I'd rather see JBL in the ring than Batista. To this point (within the last few months), Batista has been protected extremely well in regards to in-ring work.

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In looking ahead a bit, pulling the trigger on a full throttle Batista push could work, PLUS with the draft redux idea intact for this spring again, he could have some fresh opponents. I felt Batista could really work on Smackdown. Angle, Eddie, Rey could all have very good matches with him, he's not someone who would be squashed by JBL (at least I'd hope not) and the eventual "money match" with UT would be there.

 

In the last Observer, Meltzer said plans for the post-WM draft were to have the champions rotate (meaning Cena would go to RAW and be a fresh foe for Trips while Orton would have an uninterrupted title run). Couldn't hurt Batista either to switch shows, especially since it's agreed after Trips and Edge he'd really have nothing to do on RAW.

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Another related question is how do they go about the Chamber eliminations? At this point Benoit and Jericho are after thoughts, Edge will obviously get screwed by Michaels somehow (unless he wins and Shawn makes the reluctant count, which I'd highly doubt). How does "chosen one" Orton go down, and since it's obvious Trips and Batista will eliminate each other, how does the survivor of those two go out? You can't have Batista pin Trips, get the big pop, and then fall down to an Edgeucator or something.

Hope you all prefer the method of my last post. Sorry, but I am still learning as I forget to type EDIT and the reason why, which was basically because I pressed the wrong button.

 

I am going to give your 2 versions. The WWEs and Mine.

 

I would say that the WWE is planning on HBK-Edge for the title, and a possible Evo 3-way.

 

That means, Edge eliminates Jericho, Edge eliminates Benoit, gets in a scuff with HBK, Orton eliminates Edge after Sweet Chin Music, Batista accidently eliminates HHH (such as being taken out by a RKO and falls on HHH), then Orton finally eliminates Batista after kicking out of the Tista Bomb.

 

This means we get HBK-Orton at the RR for the Title, since Orton won with HBKs help. Edge comes out to spear HBK. Then HHH but the ref stops him. Batista comes through the crowd and Tista Bombs Orton. This leaves everything free for the Boyhood Dream and Evo 3-way.

 

I would prefer a Jericho-Benoit WM ME, Evo 4-way (or 3-way with Flair as Special Guest Referee) and HBK-Angle or Rock OR Jericho-Benoit WM ME, Batista-HHH with Flair as Special Guest Referee), Orton-Rock (battle of th 3rd generation superstars) and HBK-Angle or Edge.

 

That means, Jericho and Benoit start and wrestle, HHH comes out, Jericho and Benoit seem to acknowledge that they have the least chance of winning it and form an alliance, Edge is next, then Orton and finally Batista. NO ELIMINATIONS YET. This is when things get interesting and uses all that has happened in the past weeks.

 

Jericho and Benoit would have been going at for around 20 minutes and help each other when it comes to nearfalls, basically just surviving. Its a cluster-f**K. Edge inadvertenly knocks HBK which gets his back up. He recives a SCM for it with HBK shouting over him thats for TT and 6 weeks or my career. HHH gets the pin. Orton then RKOs Batista, after he has bombed both Jericho and Benoit, but he does so onto HHH who was just on the receiving end of a SCM (who kicks him for finding the Edge incident funny, then saying, I didnt do it for you, you moron) or a Jericho and Benoit double-team. HBK counts quickly. HHH then pedigrees Batista in rage, but breaks up Orton pinning him before the 3 count since he hates Orton even more and rather the strap stays with Evo. Orton gets a pedigree for good measure.

 

JR and King then pimp it that its 3 faces ve 1 heel, and that all 6 men (7 including the ref) HATE each other and will stop at nothing to win the Title. Jericho and Benoit have been taken out are just lying in broken chambers and whatever. This brings the showdown of Orton-Batista. Staredown, bad mouthing, Flair going crazy at ringside. Clash of the titans, Batista gets pissed off and literally makes Orton his bitch. Quick RKO. Batista kicks out. Ortons spent. Batista screams that nows hes pissed off. Death clothesline, spinebuster and Tista Bomb. 1, 2, 3 ... Ortons out. Batista calls both Jericho and Benoit to take him on at once. They do beatdown but Batista resistance every now and then. All 3 men are dead. Jericho and Benoit put Batista in the Walls and Crossface a la Austin. After a while Batista taps. Leaves real pissed. Finds Flair outside who has a go at him. Batista goes balistic saying that it was Randys fault.

 

This leaves Jericho and Benoit. After around 40 mins of action. Jericho looks to see Batista off. Smiling. Turns round. Eats a clothesline. DDT. Wildbomb into the Chamber wall. Delayed vertical into the bullet proof glass. Shoulder breaker on the steel between the chambers. Brainbuster across the chamber into the glass. JR: What is Benoit doing? Benoit would be saying enough is enough, any means necessary and I have had enough of not being world champion.Triple Germans. Swan Dive Head BUTT. Crossface or sharpshooter. HBK counts in awe.

 

Next time on RAW, Benoit makes HHH his bitch, hence HHH-Batista make-up. Edge gets back at HBK costing him something, maybe another injury (downtime off TV, with HBK coming back and saying thats 2, now its your turn). A possible later Orton-Evo Reunion to face the new threats of a ruthless Benoit, distraught Edge and tweaner Kane?

 

Motivation for Jericho to beat on all comers at the Rumble? Motivation for the Evo Match? Motivation for Edge-HBK? I think so.

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I don't see good matches from Batista with Angle, Guerrero, or Rey. I think maybe Benoit is doing too good of a job here, cause Batista is a low level worker and the 3 guys above aren't as good as Benoit is when carrying the kind of worker Batista is. Now, I'm not saying that Batista can't be champ, or that it is a particularly bad idea, but it's not the answer and it won't last long-term. I honestly look at him as the 05 version of Diesel, and I can't believe people are being blinded to that.

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Rudo, I do see what you're saying, but my feeling is this. Right now, business is at a low point. I'm not looking towards Big Dave for the turnaround to bring things into an upswing, but just for my enjoyment as a fan, and to see if it catches fire even more. Fan response is dictating that things go a certain way, and if they do, then it could be something great. He may not be the best worker, but I feel he's improved, and could improve more. He doesn't seem to be the kind of guy that wants to coast by. Even still though, while I'm a workrate freak like 99% of the smarks out there, not everyone needs to be a Thesz in the making.

 

Diesel wound up being horrible as champion because (IMO) of the Shawn face turn and the horrible opponents (Sid was over but sucked, Mabel had nothing going for him). Batista has a hot angle to turn him, and could have several that follow. Unless Vince decided on another Viscera push, in which case I'd call you personally to utter the words "You were right".

[Guest Failed Mascot]

I saw Jericho and Benoit mentioned and I'll say this. If both Benoit and Jericho were to turn heel and form a small stable with one other person then I would tune in again.

 

Trips also needs to be sent to Smackdown. JBL becoming champ and running with the belt for so long was one of the reasons I turned away. They need a big time heel for the 800 faces they have.

 

As far as Batista goes with the comparisons to Luger...I always said he should do the Torture Rack. It would look vicious with Batista doing it.

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KingPK Posted: Jan 6 2005, 04:23 PM 

 

JBL seems to be the total opposite from Batsta: has the charisma and ability to cut good promos, but hasn't shown the goods in the ring to justify keeping a top title for, what, 6 months now?

 

Fast approaching 7, 8 by the RR.

 

King Cucaracha Posted: Jan 6 2005, 04:25 PM 

 

Rudo brings up a point. Batista would work in the Goldberg/Austin mould. Have him become a tweener, because he can't trust Evolution or the anti-Evolution threesome (or foursome with HBK). Batista has the Spinebuster/Sitout Powerbomb to rival the Spear/Jackhammer, as both are getting the crowd reactions. He has better mic skills than Goldberg. All he needs is the renegade persona of an Austin, put him in some three/four on one situations where he fights valiantly but goes down. A few run-ins and demolishes to end shows. Maybe even a few Austin, chaotic acts.

 

That way, you play to Batista's strengths and hide the weaknesses. Then when you put him in the ring, play the strengths hide the weaknesses. Just as Vince did with Austin after his injury and just as WCW did with Goldberg. Heck, just as Heyman did with a 911. If they do that, then Batista could be a big star. He has the look. Not just the 'he's big' look, but he looks a star in the suits. He's pretty marketable I'd bet. He intimidating enough to pull off the lonewolf role.

 

Yes, that would work. I think the problem people have with Batista being Champ is that they cant think he can cut it as a face. From him though, less is more. The less he speaks, the more he squashes, the harder the odds, weak alliances here and there...

 

RavishingRickRudo Posted: Jan 6 2005, 04:25 PM 

 

I'd rather see JBL in the ring than Batista. To this point (within the last few months), Batista has been protected extremely well in regards to in-ring work.

 

Now thats saying something. Whats wrong with Tista being protected though? :S Isnt that the whole point of hoses, that they need to protected?

 

RavishingRickRudo Posted on Jan 6 2005, 04:41 PM

 

I don't see good matches from Batista with Angle, Guerrero, or Rey. I think maybe Benoit is doing too good of a job here, cause Batista is a low level worker and the 3 guys above aren't as good as Benoit is when carrying the kind of worker Batista is. Now, I'm not saying that Batista can't be champ, or that it is a particularly bad idea, but it's not the answer and it won't last long-term. I honestly look at him as the 05 version of Diesel, and I can't believe people are being blinded to that.

 

I think that Benoit and Tista have been good to each other. People seem to forget that Tista made Benoit look credible in the run-up to WM and until SummerSlam. But true, no worker is better than Benoit. I mean he made A-Train look good for crying out loud.

 

What is the answer. I would wait, let it stew more, seeds of deception. Tease it, but dont prolong it too far. I still think the payoff of Trish-Jericho was good, but was really pissed off at the time because I think they would be good together. WWE has a problem with timing. They have buried Cena due to dragging things out. I would strike while the iron is hot but it is considered as firefighting after Orton. He wont last, but wouldnt a good year from be a good for business?

 

I think comparing him to Diesel is a bit unfair. Hes a better worker and talker for sure. Diesel was just blah.

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Yep, I know it's become a bit of a cliched idea, but HHH going to Smackdown would help Raw so much.

 

Everybody, fans and writers alike, are stuck in the mindset that the Raw title has to revolve around a heel HHH in the main event. That means it has to be Orton, Benoit, Jericho, Benjamin, Edge, Michaels, or Batista versus Triple H as your title match. But imagine taking HHH out of that picture, and the entire roster opens up a bit and there's much more flexibility in what type of feuds and matchups you can come up with for the title. No matter what they do, Triple H will always look and be booked higher than all of those men, so it's like he oppresses the roster even while matches against him have the most heat.

 

Smackdown, meanwhile, lacks in the talent department compared to Raw, and they'd be better off with the "take a babyface and put him up against Triple H" formula.

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I saw Jericho and Benoit mentioned and I'll say this. If both Benoit and Jericho were to turn heel and form a small stable with one other person then I would tune in again.

 

Trips also needs to be sent to Smackdown. JBL becoming champ and running with the belt for so long was one of the reasons I turned away. They need a big time heel for the 800 faces they have.

 

As far as Batista goes with the comparisons to Luger...I always said he should do the Torture Rack. It would look vicious with Batista doing it.

Who would the 3rd person be out of curiousity. I would love to see that, but I prefer Jericho as a face to Benoit's heel.

 

I cant see HHH going to SD! since RAW is his show. Would make life interesting thats for sure. Remember the pop he got after the draft.

 

Yes, the torture rack, indeed. But isnt TBS using it?

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It'd actually be fun to watch Trips on Smackdown, because with the "loyalists" there (UT, JBL, Angle and himself), they'd all probably wind up killing each other in booking meetings.

 

Of course Triple H on Smackdown means Mysterio getting squashed in 5:00, Triple H feuding with Eddie so that he looks good, and any other up and coming heels being completely overshadowed.

 

It'd be some nice continuity though if Triple H got drafted, bitched to Bischoff and said they could just do what happened last year, and Bischoff (hopefully still in his new tweener mode) could say that it's time for a change on RAW, and good riddance.

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Rudo, I do see what you're saying, but my feeling is this. Right now, business is at a low point. I'm not looking towards Big Dave for the turnaround to bring things into an upswing, but just for my enjoyment as a fan, and to see if it catches fire even more. Fan response is dictating that things go a certain way, and if they do, then it could be something great.

 

Totally Agree. Batista is hot right now. But, they shouldn't invest a lot in him, because it won't work out. However hot he gets in the next few weeks and/or months, in the end it won't work. This was the initial basis for the thread, because Batista is already "old" in wrestling terms (certainly WWE terms), and he hasn't shown the ability to cut the type of promos considered to be main event (even Benoit showed that ability, before anyone decides to take issue with that), and his work isn't something that should be the final match on PPV's. Can he go 20 minutes? 30? There would need to be lots of smoke and mirrors in those matches, and where is the line drawn when it takes _too much_ to protect a guy and hide his weaknesses?

 

He may not be the best worker, but I feel he's improved, and could improve more.

 

His best match was last week. Against Benoit. Throwing aside the point that Benoit is one of their best workers, Batista has been working with the guy for almost a full year now on a consistent basis. During that match I was calling their sequences (Benoit goes through legs, dragon screw, tries for sharpshooter, thrown off). Batista, as champ, won't have that luxury. Edge won't get anything out of him, Orton might depending on his willingness to die, HBK won't, and unless HHH and him have been going at it in private ( ), then I don't see that match being very good either. I mean, how many spinebusters can be done in one match?

 

He doesn't seem to be the kind of guy that wants to coast by. Even still though, while I'm a workrate freak like 99% of the smarks out there, not everyone needs to be a Thesz in the making.

 

I wouldn't want anyone to be Thesz. Batista is limited. He isn't as strong as Lesnar, so the most impressive thing you'll see out of him is that Crossface counter. He has 2 moves that get a reaction. I don't think he can make it past 15 minutes, let alone do 30.

 

Diesel wound up being horrible as champion because (IMO) of the Shawn face turn and the horrible opponents (Sid was over but sucked, Mabel had nothing going for him). Batista has a hot angle to turn him, and could have several that follow. Unless Vince decided on another Viscera push, in which case I'd call you personally to utter the words "You were right".

 

There's a reason why Vis is still on the roster

[Guest Failed Mascot]

I saw Jericho and Benoit mentioned and I'll say this. If both Benoit and Jericho were to turn heel and form a small stable with one other person then I would tune in again.

 

Trips also needs to be sent to Smackdown. JBL becoming champ and running with the belt for so long was one of the reasons I turned away. They need a big time heel for the 800 faces they have.

 

As far as Batista goes with the comparisons to Luger...I always said he should do the Torture Rack. It would look vicious with Batista doing it.

Who would the 3rd person be out of curiousity. I would love to see that, but I prefer Jericho as a face to Benoit's heel.

I don't know, I haven't watched in so long that I need to go look at the roster. It needs to be a big bruiser type though.

 

after looking at the roster and reading shit that Gene Snitzky guy looks pretty bad ass. Benoit could be going for the world title, Jericho for the IC, and since Snitzky appears to be new he could just escort them to ringside and beat the ever living hell out of people while the ref aint looking. Later on down the road they could have a face Batista vs Snitzky with Orton vs a heel Benoit and Jericho feuding with Benjamin. Then when Matt Hardy comes back they could do triple threats between Jericho, Benjamin, and Hardy with one of them being a ladder match.

 

Yes, the torture rack, indeed.  But isnt TBS using it?

For a brief moment I didn't know who you were talking about and thought of Ted Turner throwing his employees in the Torture Rack.

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It'd actually be fun to watch Trips on Smackdown, because with the "loyalists" there (UT, JBL, Angle and himself), they'd all probably wind up killing each other in booking meetings.

Just having Undertaker and Triple H try and coexist on the same show would be funny enough. Angle and JBL would be instantly buried.

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Point taken. PM me your number at your earliest convienience.

 

Honestly though, I'm just at the point where I'll take anything fresh and exciting. This is not to say I'd be doing cartwheels over a rumored Shannon Moore World Title push, but the Batista deal has intrigued me. Even moreso than Orton, whom I do enjoy. I'll be the first to call a spade a spade and say that Orton, if given the chances Dave's been getting, could have had a much better transition into what they wanted out of him.

 

It's just that, if not Batista, then who? Who's really left to catch fire? A case can be made for Benjamin, but he's the only one I could think of off the top of my head.

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Now thats saying something. Whats wrong with Tista being protected though? :S Isnt that the whole point of hoses, that they need to protected?

 

Did I say it was "wrong"? Did I say it was "right"? Where are you getting this from?? I just said he was being protected. Is that a good thing? Of course, that's what all promoters should do with their paid talent. Do I seriously have to spell this out for you? JBL has wrestled different types of matches, with different types of opponents, on-length. Batista hasn't. A champion can only be protected to a point, then you get into Goldberg territory where you're destroying your roster to protect one guy. If they put Batista in the position they put JBL, and as champ they'll have to, his whole appeal would be gone. That's bad.

 

I think that Benoit and Tista have been good to each other.

 

They should be, they've had to wrestle 100 times in the past year.

 

People seem to forget that Tista made Benoit look credible in the run-up to WM and until SummerSlam.

 

You're nuts. The only person who made Benoit look credible was Benoit.

 

What is the answer.

 

The answer is Steve Austin. The answer is Hulk Hogan. (Figuratively)

 

I would wait, let it stew more, seeds of deception. Tease it, but dont prolong it too far. I still think the payoff of Trish-Jericho was good, but was really pissed off at the time because I think they would be good together.

 

There was a pay-off to Jericho/Trish? You realize that "pay-off" has the word "pay" in it, as in $$$, right?

 

He wont last, but wouldnt a good year from be a good for business?

 

I don't think they could get a year out of Batista. 3 months, 2 ppvs, tops as something hot. Maybe 2 more months on the decline to put someone else over. A short stint would be good, of course, never said it wouldn't be.

 

I think comparing him to Diesel is a bit unfair. Hes a better worker and talker for sure. Diesel was just blah.

 

I think it's very fair. Diesel got over by being the tough guy behind a chickenshit. He dominated guys with his size. Diesel, at one time, was very over. Being over with the fans and drawing money are two different things, however. Being over and having good feuds and matches are different things. It's very hard to transition from the appeal that Batista has now, into something worthwhile as champion.

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You just want to see your Metrosexual Monster wear a suit to match his gold belt, Malibu. Admit it.

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Zack, the only problem with Benjamin though, is that he is only looked at as the athletic black guy. That's his character, and I don't see him evolving anytime soon.

 

I'm interested oin Batista, but I don't what else the guy can do once he finishes up with Triple H. He's worked too much with Jericho and Benoit. Batista/Edge, or Batista/Orton would be a trainwreck to watch.

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I saw Jericho and Benoit mentioned and I'll say this. If both Benoit and Jericho were to turn heel and form a small stable with one other person then I would tune in again.

 

Trips also needs to be sent to Smackdown. JBL becoming champ and running with the belt for so long was one of the reasons I turned away. They need a big time heel for the 800 faces they have.

 

As far as Batista goes with the comparisons to Luger...I always said he should do the Torture Rack. It would look vicious with Batista doing it.

Who would the 3rd person be out of curiousity. I would love to see that, but I prefer Jericho as a face to Benoit's heel.

I don't know, I haven't watched in so long that I need to go look at the roster. It needs to be a big bruiser type though.

 

after looking at the roster and reading shit that Gene Snitzky guy looks pretty bad ass. Benoit could be going for the world title, Jericho for the IC, and since Snitzky appears to be new he could just escort them to ringside and beat the ever living hell out of people while the ref aint looking. Later on down the road they could have a face Batista vs Snitzky with Orton vs a heel Benoit and Jericho feuding with Benjamin. Then when Matt Hardy comes back they could do triple threats between Jericho, Benjamin, and Hardy with one of them being a ladder match.

 

Yes, the torture rack, indeed.  But isnt TBS using it?

For a brief moment I didn't know who you were talking about and thought of Ted Turner throwing his employees in the Torture Rack.

TBS = The Big Show.

 

I thought Snitsky's funeral was supposed be on Monday.

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In response to the last two posts regarding things I've said:

 

1)Batista would look fucking pimp sporting the belt with a suit and the glasses. He'd be the badass hoss with a Rock look outside the ring. To take a catchphrase from one of my favorite movies, that's soooo money baby.

 

2)I think they're trying to evolve Benjamin with this whole "wrong side of the tracks" thing they've done vignettes for. I could see them getting behind his inspirational story as he climbs to the top of the mountain.

[Guest Failed Mascot]

You just want to see your Metrosexual Monster wear a suit to match his gold belt, Malibu. Admit it.

That 70's Batista

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

I have my money in Benjamin's stock. It's just a matter of time before he turns it up.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

I'll be honest guys. Batista could be the next Austin. *IF* they let him...

 

"Just B"

 

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I like Benjamin, I think he can contribute greatly to the company one day. The problem though is whenever I see Benjamin, it's the same damn thing from JR. "Mah Gawd...that Benjamin is so athletic!" The announcing really hurts a lot of guys, because it's the same damn thing week in and week out. Plus he really hasn't had the chance to do anything since becoming the Intercontential Champion.

[Guest Failed Mascot]

The best thing for the Raw announce team would be if Jim Ross passed away in his sleep since he thinks he's the next Gordon Solie.

 

I don't remember Solie mixing up so many wrestlers' names though and calling moves a sidewalk slam when he can't remember what they are.

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The real problem with JR is he can really sound like he's "selling" something, like Benjamin, if he has the wrong buzzword. And with JR, the guy is all buzzwords and cliches.

 

Ok, that's not really the "real" problem, but its A problem.

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Benjamin needs that one breakout match. The one with Christian at SS was damn good, but he needs that "epic encounter". Just something crisp with off the charts heat. If Benoit were to go heel at some point, especially during or after this Chamber match, I'd LOVE Benoit vs. Benjamin at WM, because it could make Shelton.

 

I would not want to see, for example, Monty Brown showing up in WWE as a former gang member who wants Shelton to run with him again. Pushing the story is one thing...exploiting it is another.

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RavishingRickRudo Posted: Jan 6 2005, 05:33 PM 

 

Now thats saying something. Whats wrong with Tista being protected though? :S Isnt that the whole point of hoses, that they need to protected?

 

Did I say it was "wrong"? Did I say it was "right"? Where are you getting this from?? I just said he was being protected. Is that a good thing? Of course, that's what all promoters should do with their paid talent. Do I seriously have to spell this out for you? JBL has wrestled different types of matches, with different types of opponents, on-length. Batista hasn't. A champion can only be protected to a point, then you get into Goldberg territory where you're destroying your roster to protect one guy. If they put Batista in the position they put JBL, and as champ they'll have to, his whole appeal would be gone. That's bad.

 

I got it from the way I interpreted your post. You dont have to spell anything out for me. I cant see a Batista reign lasting either, but in the longer run it does open up programme possibilites.

 

I think that Benoit and Tista have been good to each other.

 

They should be, they've had to wrestle 100 times in the past year.

 

I meant it as that they have been good to each others careers.

 

People seem to forget that Tista made Benoit look credible in the run-up to WM and until SummerSlam.

 

You're nuts. The only person who made Benoit look credible was Benoit.

 

By putting the crossface over as he did. Even JR did a good job that time. By putting him over maybe?

 

What is the answer.

 

The answer is Steve Austin. The answer is Hulk Hogan. (Figuratively)

 

I understand what your saying. The WWE needs a huge star. I dont see one though.

 

I would wait, let it stew more, seeds of deception. Tease it, but dont prolong it too far. I still think the payoff of Trish-Jericho was good, but was really pissed off at the time because I think they would be good together.

 

There was a pay-off to Jericho/Trish? You realize that "pay-off" has the word "pay" in it, as in $$$, right?

 

Yes I do. When has there ever been a decent $$$-off recently in the WWE? I was refering to the Jericho-Christian cage match, and the OMG at WM.

 

He wont last, but wouldnt a good year from be a good for business?

 

I don't think they could get a year out of Batista. 3 months, 2 ppvs, tops as something hot. Maybe 2 more months on the decline to put someone else over. A short stint would be good, of course, never said it wouldn't be.

 

I mean it as he doesnt get the title till Bad Blood. 3 months later is Unforgiven. 2 months after that is SurSer.Thats a year in RAW PPVs according to my calculations. If its from Backlash, up to Unforgiven then. When he breaks from HHH he doesnt have to get the Title straight away.

 

I think comparing him to Diesel is a bit unfair. Hes a better worker and talker for sure. Diesel was just blah.

 

I think it's very fair. Diesel got over by being the tough guy behind a chickenshit. He dominated guys with his size. Diesel, at one time, was very over. Being over with the fans and drawing money are two different things, however. Being over and having good feuds and matches are different things. It's very hard to transition from the appeal that Batista has now, into something worthwhile as champion.

 

I was referring to the fact that I prefer Batistas character to Diesels and his ring work. Of course, the ideal is work and drawing, then work and overness. But who has achieved the ideal recently?

 

All I am saying is that if, and its a big if, it could be done really well and I think that they should go for it. I do not mean it as any disrespect to you RavishingRickRudo, I am just giving my views.

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Benjamin needs something that fans can identify with and rally around, while also being a hero to those same fans; someone who they can look up to and also stand beside. It's a hard dynamic, but they aren't even coming close to acheiving it. Super Athletic? Up from the Streets? Not really indicative of Joe Wrestlingfan. They need more basic, relatable, qualities for him to get over on. Rather than Athletic, say hard working. Who likes someone who is "gifted"? Fuck that.

[Guest Failed Mascot]

You know what? They should give some of Mike Awesome's old gimmiks to Batista. I mean think about this scenerio...

 

The Fat Chick Thrilla; Dave Batista. He loves his women chunky and brings them to the ring...but OMG Snitzky beats one into a pulp while Dave is wrestling. He puts her through that table with the cheetos and everything. Then Dave and Snitzky have a reason to feud!

 

If Benjamin is truly going to break out then he needs a parrot and parachute pants.