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Guest Suicide King

Gee... after reading the transcript from chat, I suddenly really don't like Munich very much.

 

And it turns out I will be doing the Crimson card after all, but it won't be up until tomorrow.  You will have more time to write.  Deal.

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Guest redbaron51

Okay, it was probably immature for me to say/type that. Yet if I offended you King, i'm sorry. I had two things go wrong at me at the same time, Ash winning the title, and a disallowed goal by Ottawa where the puck was under Joseph's blocker.

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Guest Insane Clown Dan

EDIT : Woops, misread HVT's post. Nevermind... I thought someone was flaming me.

 

Sorry, Ash. probably shouldn't have said what i said anyways, but i still mark for ya man. You did work really hard and it shows, I thought you were just capable of writing in a more serious kind of match... but still good shit nonetheless.

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Guest Insanityman

Whoa, whoa... I simply said it was a surprise, to say the least.

 

 

I did not mean that in the factor of bad marking, but I think Flesher is usually better than Ash Ketchum. Thus, it was a shock, yes shock, to see him win. Ash dude, I've been in the ML just a few weeks before you entered... I know you've worked your ass off just as hard as I did... (well most of the time refering to me). Hell, I might even be bitter that I never will get another shot to gain another win on you, either way I respect you winning. Have fun with the title... and the re-match has been set so it's over (in my eyes).

 

King's right... every different marker look for different things usually, so it's all an matter of opinion in times like these... meh, trust the marker.

 

 

P.S. Yes, I bitched when I first found out, but I didn't really post it on the comments. Ash... my only advice is to not throw finishers around so often.

 

 

P.P.S. Kudos again.

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Guest El Luchadore Magnifico

King, there shall be no more giving of advice on how to beat me, 'kay? ;)

 

And Ash...way to go, man! It's been a while, but you finally did it. Congraulations, and here's to a lengthy title reign.

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Guest HVilleThugg

Ok....after rereading this thread, I must apologize for my outburst earlier.  Flexxx's comment, before he editted it, got me to thinking about the whole situation.  Flexxx, I was not flaming you, as you now know after rereading my post.  I was actually attempting to point out that you had the right idea about constructive criticism, but I can see how it may come off as flaming.  I appreciate you taking the time to go back and read it again and realizing that I was not flaming you.  However, you did say something about pointing fingers at people, which I did do in that post.  That was wrong of me, so I'm sorry.

 

I think this whole situation got blown out of proportions by everyone, JLers and markers alike.  Let me say a few things...First, to King and all of you, it seems that as markers, we tend to take things very personal, especially when it's in reference to the decision we made on a match.  I in no way condone people publically accusing a marker of favoratism, but I think that we have to learn the difference between those accusations and people saying that they think the other match was better.  After rereading the thread, it seems that most people were just saying that they thought one match was better than the others, and really weren't saying that anyone played favorites or jobbed anyone.  Even Xero's comment, as immature as it may have been, really was just saying that he thought that King made the wrong decision on the matches and that Flesher's match was better.  Honestly, he's entitled to that opinion.  Maybe he should have explained better, but it doesn't appear that he was saying anything to question the integrity of the marker, but just saying that in his opinion, Flesher's match was better.  

 

I think that we should be encouraging people to post their comments and opinions about matches and promos and such on these boards.  And that doesn't mean we should only comment if we want to praise...it means that we should also comment if we want to criticize as well.  Hell, if I didn't get comments from Crusen and Rotten and Xstasy about how my matches were unrealistic, I wouldn't be where I am today.  We need to continue to comment on matches and stuff, even if it's not good stuff.  People shouldn't be afraid to post criticism, and honestly, I think that people only post good things because they're afraid to say anything else because shit like this happens.  

 

The bottom line is that if you think a marker purposely or maliciously jobbed someone or yourself, that should be addressed to CC in PM form, not on the boards.  I don't think that happened here with this thread.  However, if you think that a person's match needed some work, or you didn't like the match, or anything...feel free to post it.  As readers, we have to look at things objectively and not get offended if people don't like your match.  Use the negative comments to better yourself and move in the direction you want to go in.  Basically, don't take people's comments so personally, as they aren't necessarily an attack on your person, but just an opinion on the match.  They aren't trying to hurt you, they are just voicing their opinion, which is why we have these boards and have comment threads.  Be respectful of people, but don't sit there and bite your tongue just because you don't want to praise the match...and don't praise it if you didn't like it.

 

With such a subjective grading system, there's always gonna be controversy surrounding close matches.  As markers, we would appreciate it if you all gave us the benifit of the doubt, and know that we made our choice based on what WE thought was the better match.  If you think something else may be at work, that should be discussed in private, but I can vouch for the markers here that I don't know of any time they have jobbed anyone out of spite, anger, or favoratism.  That being said, I don't think anyone here was saying that King picked Ash because he liked him better.  Some people (and I do mean only a handful because most people were fine with the decision) were only saying that they thought that the wrong match was picked because in their opinion, Flesher's match was better.

 

So, in closing, let me apologize for pointing fingers at JLers in my earlier post.  I have always respected Ash and know how hard he's worked.  I know how much this meant to him, and I felt it was taken away from him.  I acted in haste without really thinking and taking everything in to consideration.  I stand by my statement that Ash truly deserves this, and it should not be tainted, but I don't think anyone person did that.  I think this whole situation did that, and I helped, so I'm as much to blame as anyone else.  Being in the position I am in, I should know better as I've been here before.  I've been in flames before where I and others acted in haste and didn't really consider everything.  This is a place where we should be able to comment freely on matches, promos, or anything, I have no right (nor does anyone else) to say that people shouldn't speak their minds on these boards.  That's why we have them, so we should use them as such.  In closing that subject, I acted very immaturely, and for that I apologize to anyone who may have been or may still be upset with me for my comments.

 

On another note, that chat blurb posted by G was...I'm sorry G, but that was uncalled for.  In chat, we all say a lot of things about other people...about the fed....about everything.  It's chat...and it's not the boards.  If someone says something personal in chat, it should stay there.  I don't think any of us have the right to stir the pot and draw up controversy when we are not even directly involved.  If someone has a problem with another person or something, leave it to that person to deal with it.  It's not your place to get involved and start stirring up trouble.  That's what people do in middle/junior high school, and it only leads to trouble.  I'm sorry, but I would have expected better than that from you G, and I think that, by posting that chat excerpt, you were acting very immaturely and inappropriately.

 

Da "had to get that off his chest" H

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Guest Ace309

Ace309 defers respectfully to Thugg

 

Alright, folks. I know there are those of you out there who liked Ash's match better. I've heard from some of you that it didn't show enough emotion and that it was too technical. What else could I have done differently to have won the match, in your eyes and no one else's? To avoid cluttering the board, feel free to PM these to me.

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Guest Insane Clown Dan

Wow... thanks for clearing up a whole lot of things over this "controversy", Thugg and King!

 

Speaking of such things... why is this such a controversy, that suddenly Ash wins the world title? Both men's matches were flawed, and a decision had to be made. It's that simple (hell, every match is like that), yet people are still very angry (secretly) at Ash's win. Am I missing something, or do a lot of people have animosity towards Ash from the past?

 

I am sorry and will shut the **** up if I'm getting in anybody's personal business, but if any grudges exist, they should be resolved/killed/stunnered/spayed/immunized. Now. This is counterproductive if not anything else. This is a small part of JL history that does NOT need to be dragged out, on the boards or "backstage".

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Guest Ash Ketchum

Wow... I'm speechless.

 

I can't stay long and talk for now... but I must say one thing.

 

Tom Flesher... I don't know who's match was better, but by God, you put one hell of a good match together. Probably a little more emotional than mine. Even though you did lose, though, I would still like to congratulate you, and that as I talked to you last night while I was writing my match, you gave me nothing but encouragement. You and I both felt the same that it didn't matter who won this match, but it would make us both better in a way. Thank you. I look forward to facing you once again down the road. ^_^

 

~Ash~

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Guest Grand Slam

Well, my first show as a marker is under my belt, and I had a couple of things I wanted to say.

 

First off, thanks to all four of you for turning in good matches.  Both sides of both matches were put together well and it was a tough decision.  For the one of you (you know who you are) who politely asked for an extension, thank you.  I will have no issue with extensions most of the time as long as you are polite and give me a little advance notice.

 

Second, as this is my first time marking, I thought I might throw out some pointers as to what I look for (and will be looking for) in matches.  Three words: emotion, description and flow.

- Emotion: I feel strongly about this.  I want to be excited while I am reading your matches.  I want to feel like I am watching a real match.  In short, I want to mark out for you.  The more chances you give me to do this, the better off you are.  What do I mark for?  Well, I can't tell you everything.  Read some of my old matches...

- Description: I hate going back in a match to see what just happened.  I also hate digging into the Big Book of Wrestling Moves just to find out what you are doing.  The more descriptive you are as to what is happening in the ring, the better I like it.  For example, if you are doing a scoop slam, don't just say "scoop slam", tell me how you grab them and how you turn them in the air before dropping them.  This ties into the emotion.  You can get more impact from a move by describing it than just telling me you did it.

-Flow.  This is tough, and hard to describe.  It has to do with good storytelling, pacing and humor.  Good fundamental psychology plays into it also.  Even real wrestling is more about (or should be more about) telling a story in the ring than just pulling off good spots.

 

I hope this helps a little.  I am looking forward to seeing some great matches in the near future, and I am proud to be even a small part of the SJL again.

 

- "Grand Slam" Mark Stevens

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Guest Coffin Surfer

Grand Slam, what was wrong with my match.  I did the best I could to get all those things you mentioned into my match.  I had story telling that built on me and Tod's last match. I kept the match realistic and logical.  I had damn good psychology. Iam really confused, as to how my match lost. FEEDBACK PLEASE!!!

 

I don't mean to diss Tod's match, which was much better written than mine.  But as far as pychology goes:

 

1.Why did my character keep losing brawls, His character was the weaker in that department, but he constantly used brawling as transition.

 

2. The backdrop driver that finished me came out of nowhere.  How are you gonna pick somebody up and than get Back Drop Drived out of no where.

 

3.  His character has a viatlity of 4, why did he kick out of big ass moves like the Sitout Tombstone.

 

4.  Despite a dead arm, he managed to fight back with his bad arm, and use the Viagra Driver. Not to mention spearing with an injured shoulder blade.  What is he the Great Sasuke, sell the arm while its being worked, but ignore it when its time for his offense.

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Guest Longdogger_Pete

Let's get away from the controversy for a bit...

 

Rankings Top Ten

 

(Actually, this could be considered controversial.  I've made a slight change to the way I do my rankings.  From now on, if anyone has played more than one character in the JL, only the matches of his current character will qualify for the rankings.  This would count for, say, Jacob Helmsley, as GoldenEye was clearly a separate person, at least in character.  This would not count for, say, Poisyn, because Poisyn and Matt Myers are the same person with different personas.  This will adjust a couple people's rankings, but it's all for the best.  Trust me.  Now that I know who Mike Van Siclen has played in the past, if I were to count all his matches he'd be #2 in the league simply due to his longevity, and that doesn't make sense.  Anyway, on to the rankings.  Ash gains some points, Flesher drops a spot, and Frost makes his debut on the list.)

 

#1. Ash Ketchum (53)

#2. Xero (30)

#3. "The Superior One" Tom Flesher (29)

#4. Insane Luchador (28)

#5. (tie) Flunkmasta Flexxx (27)

#5. (tie) Mafia (27)

#7. (tie) Poisyn (26)

#7. (tie) Sydney Sky (26)

#9. (tie) Frost (15)

#9. (tie) Kojack (15)

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Guest Grand Slam

I think you answered your own question:

I don't mean to diss Tod's match, which was much better written than mine.

 

Like I said, both matches were a tough decision.  I reread both matches and at the end of the day, I just liked his better than yours.  Here's what I'll do for you though.  When I get home this afternoon I will pull your match up and give it the once over.  Then I'll PM you some things that you might be able to fix.

 

But I would like to say again, that your match was good.  But this time, Tod's was better, in my opinion.

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Guest Beingz0wningj00

ASH IS BEINGZ JL CHAMP!!!!!?

 

 

 

 

[email protected]#@!#$%^&*()%####@%#^@!!

 

 

HVT... G wasn't going for any harm... just fun controversy. Munich wasn't flaming anyone in the chat... just making a crack that the ML 0wnz the JL... rightfully so. ;)

 

 

Everyone lay off the markers. I highly doubt any of them have a reason to be biased. *Ash is champ* I repeat... I highly doubt any of them is biased.

 

 

 

Ash is JL champ... Man this league has gone downhill.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

*Da Mean Dawg and HAS FULL RIGHTS TO FLAME ASH*

 

But good job anyway little bitch.

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Guest Insane Clown Dan

Er... I don't likey that Xero got 3 points from a match where his challengers no-showed. I feel it should've just been one point or something...

 

Not a big deal, but we were tied and now im below him when both sides of my match wrote something. Just hoped you'd take that into slight consideration...

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Guest Ash Ketchum

*reads JD's post* Prime example of what Flexxx said.

 

You make such a deal out of it like I one-finger punched Tom and he jobbed the belt to me.

 

And some people still think of me as I was in the ML: a show opener. And not worth more than that.

 

i will not yell at these people, though. They may think of me as they wish. It is their right. But it is my belief that these people really need to take a look and see I'm not the same guy I was a year ago.

 

Thank you.

 

~Ash~

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Guest redbaron51

Whoa whoa whoa...

 

i could say that if my match was undoubtably biased (ie Cutthroat winning against me) then i have a right to complain?

 

I never knew that. If thats so i would have done one earlier.

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Guest Beingz0wningj00

Blarg.

 

 

 

I still think you suck Ash. Guess what, I'm not being a poor sport, I'm just being a prick!

 

..|..

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Guest TheAntipop

Well Thugg, you're entitled to think that, but I have no idea why anyone would expect anything less of me.  Munich's allegations seem unjust, but if there is any sort of truth to them they should be addressed.  King, Edwin, Crusen, and everyone else work very hard at this, and the last thing they need is people talking behind their backs about being biased.  I took loads of that when I marked, and it sucked.  Someone works hard for everyone's enjoyment, and that's their reward?

 

Boards, chat, IM, it makes no difference.  If you're going to make such comments, be prepared to stand by and own up to them, otherwise don't make them.

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Guest HVilleThugg

Hmmmm...touche!

 

I just think that it's kind of like when we were kids and someone told you something about someone else, and then you run off and tell that person.  It just seems a bit childish to me...but I do agree that if you're gonna say something about someone, be it to their face and behind their back, you should be prepared to own up and stand by your statement.  

 

I suppose I've forgotten how much of a trouble maker you are...:)

 

Da "thinking yo mama smells like fish sticks" H

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It feels good a take a step away from the Main Event/Title Win/Marking of the show...

 

Grand Slam,

 

I liked your explanation of things a good bit and was wondering if I could get any points as to what I need to work on.  You are a true champ here and advise from you will be taken to heart... but I'm not here to butter your biscut (butter or fake butter: what's your delight?) but that's true, Mr. 2-Time 2-Time World Champ and Many-other-things-champ.  I feel a bit downed as to getting a win off of a word limit DQ even if 'them's the rules'.

 

If you wish, we could take this to PM.

 

Others, what did you think of my match?  What did you think of the promo I did preceeding it?  I usually am the one going for the weapon shot but I gave that to Mak in this (hopefully) rare event of me against another very similar heel.

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Guest Edwin MacPhisto

Well, I just got home and hauled 8 suitcases and a laptop in the door, so I haven't had much of a chance to read the show yet.

 

However.

 

About two weeks ago, I was talking with Ash on AIM, and he was telling me about how he was going to win the title on his next shot, and how he'd been working so hard for over a year and still not had much to show for it, by title, accolade, or recommendation.

 

Well, he just made good on his words.  Congratulations, Ash!  You HAVE earned it, and I'm proud of you.  That said, I'm frothing at the mouth for the rematch, because it's gonna seriously rule, especially if these two bad, bad men get promos up for Crimson.

 

I haven't read the rest of the show, like I said, but I have read the comments.  It's pretty much all been said, but I'd like to stress one thing: you should all embrace surprises, not frown on 'em!  Even if Tom was the favorite going in, it's stuff like this that occasionally spices the fed up.  If we know how every match is going to end in advance, what's the point in writing or marking them?  That's one of the kick-ass things about the write-your-own-matches system: you can win with a great match one day, and beaten with a great match the next.  It's all about the challenge, and the fun of writing kick-ass groovy things.

 

Consider that the official word from the Commissionary Position.  Keep at it, kick some boo-tay, and give Ash a hearty slap on the back.  He's earned it.

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Guest Tod deKindes

Danno, I did take in all the factors: Tod had a bad arm, he was getting the crap beaten out of him most of the match, he was the underdog, etc.

 

Can we just chalk it up to guts and never-say-die attitude? :P

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Guest 5_moves_of_doom
Here's what I'll do for you though.  When I get home this afternoon I will pull your match up and give it the once over.  Then I'll PM you some things that you might be able to fix.

Hey Grand Slam, if you could please PM me with some tips too that would be just peachy. I think the main reason my match lost was because of the flow, I really can't point out WHY the flow was bad though, it just seemed "iffy." But if you could please give me just a few tips, that would be greatly appreciated, thanks.

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Guest Ash Ketchum
Well, I just got home and hauled 8 suitcases and a laptop in the door, so I haven't had much of a chance to read the show yet.

 

However.

 

About two weeks ago, I was talking with Ash on AIM, and he was telling me about how he was going to win the title on his next shot, and how he'd been working so hard for over a year and still not had much to show for it, by title, accolade, or recommendation.

 

Well, he just made good on his words.  Congratulations, Ash!  You HAVE earned it, and I'm proud of you.  That said, I'm frothing at the mouth for the rematch, because it's gonna seriously rule, especially if these two bad, bad men get promos up for Crimson.

 

I haven't read the rest of the show, like I said, but I have read the comments.  It's pretty much all been said, but I'd like to stress one thing: you should all embrace surprises, not frown on 'em!  Even if Tom was the favorite going in, it's stuff like this that occasionally spices the fed up.  If we know how every match is going to end in advance, what's the point in writing or marking them?  That's one of the kick-ass things about the write-your-own-matches system: you can win with a great match one day, and beaten with a great match the next.  It's all about the challenge, and the fun of writing kick-ass groovy things.

 

Consider that the official word from the Commissionary Position.  Keep at it, kick some boo-tay, and give Ash a hearty slap on the back.  He's earned it.

I know... it seems so weird now. ^_^;;;;;;

 

I also think I told you I was going to work my BUTT off to do it right. I did have about two or three errors in there, which I only realized after Tom pointed them out for me (thanks,dude!), but they were very miniscule. Mostly grammar errors.

 

And I think Edwin has the point.

 

Did anyone expect me to beat Raynor? Hell no.

 

Who thought I would take out Destruction and win the Tag/Stables Titles the first time? I checked the prediction thread on the old board. Only two out of 25 people said I had even a slight shot.

 

I've gone into matches as the underdog and won, and i've gone in the favorite and lost. That's the beauty of this fed. no matter who you are, as long as you work hard enough, you can accomplish anything.

 

Peace out, y'all. ^_^

 

~Ash~

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Guest Insane Clown Dan
Did anyone expect me to beat Raynor? Hell no.

 

Who thought I would take out Destruction and win the Tag/Stables Titles the first time? I checked the prediction thread on the old board. Only two out of 25 people said I had even a slight shot.

 

I've gone into matches as the underdog and won, and i've gone in the favorite and lost. That's the beauty of this fed. no matter who you are, as long as you work hard enough, you can accomplish anything.

 

Excuse me? You taking out Destruction? Ash, you are quite confused over that feud. My D-team were the underdogs. Also, I was rooting for tha Renegade Masta then, 'cause it was his time to shine. Now it's yours, and during a golden age for the SJL is a good time for it.

 

Also, nobody thought that I would beat YOU, Ash, in our first encounter, but I did, and the only people that praised the victory were Renegade, IL and Payne. Everyone else acted like nothing happened, in spite of the "upset".

 

I want another singles match with you, Ash... and I mean soon.

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Guest midnight_burn

I haven't had a chance to say it before now, but congratulations Ash Ketchum on finally winning the JL World Title. Your definately deserving of it, i'm sure you'll make a great champ.

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Guest Beingz0wningj00

I still hate you for jobbing me to Sexton... Bitch!

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