HCTP or SVR

[Guest bigm350]

What do you guys play more? Overall, what is the better game? Personally, I'm leaning towards HCTP. More options, like alternate outfits, wrestlers, backstage areas, etc.

[Prophet of Mike Zagurski 0]

I play HCTP because I'm too cheap to pay $50 for the same engine especially without Eugene in the game.

[Guest Trivia247]

I prefer HCTP vastly over SD v Raw

 

but heres why..

 

SD vs Raw does have great improvements.

 

they let you break submissions

 

they improved the Royal Rumble so its no longer a guranteed throw out on the ropes extending the match longer.

 

They allow you to do things like hold onto submissions for the 5 count after your opponent reaches the ropes, and other such heel tactics..

 

Even the movesets they offer improve, giving us a Honest to goodness Avalance in the corner for Shelton's borrowed Stinger splash

 

All of this is great.. but the one thing that Killed my excitement over the game...

 

the CAW system is basically....Shit. They stripped away all the layers in tights and others that allow you to easily create independant and past wrestlers of the WWF/WWE. they allow you only 40 some generic tight designs bleh.

 

the next SD I Truly hope someone comes here to canvas our opinions I'd tell him, I love the improvements in the last games but they have to restore the CAW Engine to what it was in HCTP.

[dubq 0]

HCTP, by far. I sold my copy of SDvRaw long long ago.. but still have HCTP, go fig.

[Rendclaw 0]

After I beat SvR twice, I just couldn't muster the gumption to go through it again to beef up my Low-Ki CAW. I went back to HCTP, and I haven't looked back.

[Silence 0]

HCTP for sure. I only play SVR every once in a while, but with HCTP, I usually played it every day whenver I didn't have too much homework last year.

 

Besides, throwing poisonous snakes on guards, making hornets go after them, and stuffing scientists in lockers in MGS3 is more entertaining than SVR's disappointing Season and CAW mode.

[AndrewTS 0]

HCTP's unbalanced engine is absolutely ass, and it doesn't have online play.

 

Yeah, SDvRaw is unpolished, half-assed, has a weaker roster, but it still is far better playing, and you don't need to buy a gameshark to make new CAWs with the proper stats.

 

Despite the CAW bitching, for me--I mostly make original CAWs anyway--I've never had any great difficulties making somebody I really want.

 

HCTP is so overrated it isn't even funny.

 

I prefer SD vs. Raw despite Yuke's constantly slapping band-aids on the proverbial stab wounds.

[Black Lushus 0]

wake me when they get the AKI engine back...but yeah i played the shit out of HCTP, have yet to pick up SvR

[AndrewTS 0]

I rented Rumble Roses and I think I see what Yukes was focusing their attention on when they were making SD vs. Raw. While the system is a bit "dumbed down" (the 4 different grapples are gone, not as many moves, not nearly as many types of grapples and varieties of moves), it actually feels a lot more polished and smoother than SD v. Raw. There's less of that goofy, unnatural "whiffing" on missed moves and robotic-looking transitions. It sure as hell is better graphically. Of course, fewer characters, no CAW, etc could account for that, too.

 

It's still a close race to decide which is the better game in a second-rate series of wrestling games. Well, third-rate if you count imports.

 

Trivia covered a lot of great improvements about SD vs. Raw, but he forgot that, with the Rumbles, Super Heavys completely break the system, since they can toe kick-gorilla press-toss people out of the ring with such ease it isn't funny. It's fine for easily beating that Challenge and advancing through career mode, but it's kind of dumb to put in the ring out meter, than put in something that makes it meaningless.

 

So, in short, SD vs. Raw plays a lot better, but if you liked HCTP so damn much and you didn't care about the serious flaws in the stat system and online play doesn't spark your interest, probably pass on it.

 

If Yukes still makes the games, they need to work on online mode a bit (among other things...), because I'd rather have a hardcore match than ever play B&P (retarded, Yukes, very retarded).

[Black Lushus 0]

I haven't enjoyed a wrestling game since No Mercy...

[Guest Trivia247]

The thing is if you like building CAWs of actual wrestlers you simply won't like and be frustrated by SD v Raw..

 

if your content with making the originals like Goober the wonder arm dragger then fine it won't bother you.

 

the next game they should keep all the improvements that SD vs Raw did do, but also Restore the CAW program to what it was, or make it better with more options, not less.

[AndrewTS 0]

The thing is if you like building CAWs of actual wrestlers you simply won't like and be frustrated by SD v Raw..

 

if your content with making the originals like Goober the wonder arm dragger then fine it won't bother you.

Yes it will, because if you want your wrestlers to have accurate stats in, you'll have to build them up ONE BY ONE in Career mode, dealing with the crappy AI and the CPU's tendency to get lucky and squash you in three moves (one of them can just be a back elbow counter). Otherwise, you'll have to buy a Gameshark to fix those stats.

 

If you're making a number of real wrestlers for your game, you don't want to have to build up the stats one by one, nor do you want to have them all 98ers, which is really lame.

 

Of course, if you make those wrestlers with the *correct* stats, they'd be vastly underpowered compared to much of the game's roster. The stats assigned to main eventers in HCTP/SvR are laughable. The attributes are a total mess--WWF Raw for the 16-bit systems had more accurate stats. Plus, you could adjust those...

 

And no, you wn't be making a good-looking Lyger in SD vs. Raw, but the CAW isn't as awful as you guys make it out to be.

 

the next game they should keep all the improvements that SD vs Raw did do, but also Restore the CAW program to what it was, or make it better with more options, not less.

 

Throw that in with a Online mode that features stuff like street fights and tag team matches, and that'll be a buy from me...

 

Unless they make a *new* ill-conceived stat system that I hate.

[Guest Trivia247]

Well thats the thing you expect the improvements of each new game also comes with the increasing capablities, not sacrificing one section in order to enrich another.

[Rendclaw 0]

The thing is if you like building CAWs of actual wrestlers you simply won't like and be frustrated by SD v Raw..

 

if your content with making the originals like Goober the wonder arm dragger then fine it won't bother you.

Yes it will, because if you want your wrestlers to have accurate stats in, you'll have to build them up ONE BY ONE in Career mode, dealing with the crappy AI and the CPU's tendency to get lucky and squash you in three moves (one of them can just be a back elbow counter). Otherwise, you'll have to buy a Gameshark to fix those stats.

 

If you're making a number of real wrestlers for your game, you don't want to have to build up the stats one by one, nor do you want to have them all 98ers, which is really lame.

 

Of course, if you make those wrestlers with the *correct* stats, they'd be vastly underpowered compared to much of the game's roster. The stats assigned to main eventers in HCTP/SvR are laughable. The attributes are a total mess--WWF Raw for the 16-bit systems had more accurate stats. Plus, you could adjust those...

 

And no, you wn't be making a good-looking Lyger in SD vs. Raw, but the CAW isn't as awful as you guys make it out to be.

 

the next game they should keep all the improvements that SD vs Raw did do, but also Restore the CAW program to what it was, or make it better with more options, not less.

 

Throw that in with a Online mode that features stuff like street fights and tag team matches, and that'll be a buy from me...

 

Unless they make a *new* ill-conceived stat system that I hate.

Not true. I forget who came up with it, I think it was Downhome, but the way you overcome that is to fill your roster with jobbers who have 1s in every category except Endurance, whice you give him a 2. Replace the entire roster with nothing but jobbers. Your CAW automatically has an advantage over them, and you beat the crap out of them repeatedly, including attacking them after the match, which will set you up with a probable hardcore match the next week. It takes maybe a season and a half as long as you don't run afoul of the current champions, who will of course flatten you unless you are lucky enough to get a hardcore match with them. Then you climb to the top of the cage, run at them and irish whip them off the cage. Repeat until they are beaten, then pin them, and you will get twice the amount of experience for them. If you're in a two on one match against, good luck, but use the same strategy until the jobber is beaten, then pin him. Its not easy with a limited character, but its doable.

 

A season and a half of matches is not forever. And lets face it, Andrew: The AI has sucked for the last few games, no matter the platform. Its more noticeable in SvD, but I'm not looking for lifelike matches (which follow a set formula, mind you), but I am looking to enjoy myself playing these games, and HCTP has more of that "fun factor" than SvD does.

 

But as I said after we had all played it, WWE and whomever is going to make the next one are not looking to satisfy us smarks and wrestling purists, they are looking to satisfy 9-16 year olds who are the major demographic, so they can get away with putting in and taking out things that us, video game veterans, smarks and purists will notice. Thats the way it is, like it or not.