landy1987 0 Report post Posted February 1, 2005 Just noticed this on WWE.com: Hall of Fame month this time is Bobby Heenan including footage from: AWA All Star Wrestling (8/10/74) Heenan/Islanders vs. Bulldogs/Koko (WMIV) Rooster/Heenan vs. Santana (1/7/89) Heenan vs. Bellomo (11/26/84) Heenan vs. Gagne (8/17/80) plus all 4 of the Bobby Heenan Shows also TNT (3/22/85) Primetime (3/23/87) TNT (3/29/85) Primetime (3/30/92) MSG (2/23/87) MSG (3/23/92) MSG (3/17/85) plus more, go to WWE.com to check, where there is also some preview video clips Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Loss Report post Posted February 1, 2005 Hmmm. The Heenan stuff is probably good entertainment, but nothing I'd go out of my way to see. I'm interested in the other shows though. Let's look through the cards. The 03/17/85 MSG show has: Rocky Johnson v Charlie Fulton Barry O v Rene Goulet Jim Neidhart v SD Jones King Kong Bundy v Jose Luis Rivera Iron Sheik & Nikolai Volkoff v Bret Hart & George Wells David Sammartino v Matt Borne Andre the Giant, Jimmy Snuka & Junkyard Dog v Big John Studd, Jesse Ventura & Ken Patera Ricky Steamboat v Terry Gibbs Greg Valentine v Tito Santana (Lumberjack Match) **Tito/Greg may be worth checking out from this show. It's also on the Most Unusual Matches CHV release, so if anyone has it, give us the dealio, please. The 02/23/87 MSG show has: Paul Roma v Sal Bellomo Outback Jack v Barry O Koko B. Ware v Sika Demolition v Islanders Tito Santana v Butch Reed Jake Roberts v King Kong Bundy Hart Foundation v Killer Bees Roddy Piper, Junkyard Dog & Ricky Steamboat v Randy Savage, Adrian Adonis & Harley Race (Elimination Match) **According to Cawthon's site, Harts/Bees goes 13:52 and it might be decent, but I wouldn't expect much above *** or so. The elimination main event could be fun. It's on Best of the WWF Vol 11 if anyone has that video. If so, please watch it and fill us in on the quality. The 03/23/92 MSG show has: Tatanka v Col. Mustafa Rick Martel v JW Storm Bret Hart & The Bushwhackers v The Mountie & Nasty Boys IRS v Tito Santana Shawn Michaels v Virgil Warlord v Jim Brunzell Hulk Hogan & Roddy Piper v Ric Flair & Sid Justice **I'll pass on that one. I'm willing to bet the TV isn't going to be all that special, so basically, all in all, we have three possible matches that may be "good" at best, but no potential hidden classics, which the February schedule has in the Valentine/Backlund 1-hour draw. They can really do better than that. They can't afford to have "bad" months right now when they are pushing for this channel to succeed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
spman 0 Report post Posted February 1, 2005 Does anyone here actually get this channel? I know I've heard of a few cable systems that plan to add it, but I've yet to actually find someone who currently does get it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Trivia247 Report post Posted February 1, 2005 Last I heard Cox Cable in the DC area was suppose to get this coming in March Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jericholic82 0 Report post Posted February 1, 2005 damn, I was at that 3/23/92 msg show. wish I got 24/7 crap!!!!!!!! it was a good show too if I recall corectly Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
strummer 0 Report post Posted February 1, 2005 Hmmm. The Heenan stuff is probably good entertainment, but nothing I'd go out of my way to see. I'm interested in the other shows though. Let's look through the cards. The 03/17/85 MSG show has: Rocky Johnson v Charlie Fulton Barry O v Rene Goulet Jim Neidhart v SD Jones King Kong Bundy v Jose Luis Rivera Iron Sheik & Nikolai Volkoff v Bret Hart & George Wells David Sammartino v Matt Borne Andre the Giant, Jimmy Snuka & Junkyard Dog v Big John Studd, Jesse Ventura & Ken Patera Ricky Steamboat v Terry Gibbs Greg Valentine v Tito Santana (Lumberjack Match) **Tito/Greg may be worth checking out from this show. It's also on the Most Unusual Matches CHV release, so if anyone has it, give us the dealio, please. The 02/23/87 MSG show has: Paul Roma v Sal Bellomo Outback Jack v Barry O Koko B. Ware v Sika Demolition v Islanders Tito Santana v Butch Reed Jake Roberts v King Kong Bundy Hart Foundation v Killer Bees Roddy Piper, Junkyard Dog & Ricky Steamboat v Randy Savage, Adrian Adonis & Harley Race (Elimination Match) **According to Cawthon's site, Harts/Bees goes 13:52 and it might be decent, but I wouldn't expect much above *** or so. The elimination main event could be fun. It's on Best of the WWF Vol 11 if anyone has that video. If so, please watch it and fill us in on the quality. The 03/23/92 MSG show has: Tatanka v Col. Mustafa Rick Martel v JW Storm Bret Hart & The Bushwhackers v The Mountie & Nasty Boys IRS v Tito Santana Shawn Michaels v Virgil Warlord v Jim Brunzell Hulk Hogan & Roddy Piper v Ric Flair & Sid Justice **I'll pass on that one. I'm willing to bet the TV isn't going to be all that special, so basically, all in all, we have three possible matches that may be "good" at best, but no potential hidden classics, which the February schedule has in the Valentine/Backlund 1-hour draw. They can really do better than that. They can't afford to have "bad" months right now when they are pushing for this channel to succeed. well, there were very few "great matches" in WWF during this time period, so I don't know if it will appeal to smarks. I think they are selling it as historic footage for newer fans and nostalgia for older fans Heenan stuff looks great I would love this stuff, but I'm a huge mark for 80s WWF, so I'm kinda biased Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BUTT 0 Report post Posted February 1, 2005 TNT (3/22/85) TNT (3/29/85) Tuesday Night Titans used to air on Friday? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
landy1987 0 Report post Posted February 1, 2005 TNT (3/22/85) TNT (3/29/85) Tuesday Night Titans used to air on Friday? for the majority of its run, the show didn't actually air on a Tuesday, it was mostly either Fridays or Wednesdays (from 85-86 they rarely mentioned that the name was "Tuesday" Night Titans and would just call it TNT) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Loss Report post Posted February 1, 2005 well, there were very few "great matches" in WWF during this time period, so I don't know if it will appeal to smarks. I think they are selling it as historic footage for newer fans and nostalgia for older fans Heenan stuff looks great I would love this stuff, but I'm a huge mark for 80s WWF, so I'm kinda biased They also have NWA, AWA, ECW, SMW and WCW libraries at their fingertips, not to mention their own. There are plenty of shows that would translate to being good now that we haven't seen them show yet. Savage and Steamboat must have wrestled 300 times between 1985 and 1987. Ditto for the Harts and Bulldogs. There's tons of footage from the Backlund era. I hope the network improves over time as they continue to get a feel for what fans want. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
justcoz 0 Report post Posted February 1, 2005 They also have NWA, AWA, ECW, SMW and WCW libraries at their fingertips, not to mention their own. There are plenty of shows that would translate to being good now that we haven't seen them show yet. Savage and Steamboat must have wrestled 300 times between 1985 and 1987. Ditto for the Harts and Bulldogs. There's tons of footage from the Backlund era. I hope the network improves over time as they continue to get a feel for what fans want. Maybe they are waiting until there is an actual audience before they run month's worth of high quality stuff. I want to see some classic matches too but a lot of this channel's potential appeal is just reliving what you grew up on. That would include things that are deemed "bad" from a smark preference. For instance, there may not be a **** classic at that '92 MSG show but I'd want to watch just to watch Bret Hart's face while he teams with the Bushwackers and to see a Shawn Michaels work his way up the card as a singles wrestler. Not to mention listen to Gorilla Monsoon's commentary which I miss so much. I remember back in the day how much I HATED the Bobby Heenan Show. Even at 16 years old, I wanted to see wrestling matches during that half hour. Now that I'm older and I appreciate the legend that is Bobby Heenan - I'd get a kick out of seeing those shows. I'm more into the concept of watching an entire episode of Georgia Championship Wrestling or WWF Superstars or Challenge rather than Steamboat vs. Savage for the 100th time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Super Pissed Smark Report post Posted February 1, 2005 Demolition v Islanders Tito Santana v Butch Reed Jake Roberts v King Kong Bundy Hart Foundation v Killer Bees Roddy Piper, Junkyard Dog & Ricky Steamboat v Randy Savage, Adrian Adonis & Harley Race (Elimination Match) **According to Cawthon's site, Harts/Bees goes 13:52 and it might be decent, but I wouldn't expect much above *** or so. The elimination main event could be fun. It's on Best of the WWF Vol 11 if anyone has that video. If so, please watch it and fill us in on the quality. I don't have that tape any more and haven't watched it in years, but back when I was a kid I thought the match was a lot of fun, had a great main event feel to it with it occuring right before WM 3 and supposed to be Piper's last hurrah in MSG before retirement (I didn't realize back then that in wrestling that word actually meant "vacation") plus the ending seemed quite creative to me at the time. Though any finish not involving a legdrop seemed like a work of genius for WWF main events back then. I'm willing to bet the TV isn't going to be all that special, so basically, all in all, we have three possible matches that may be "good" at best, but no potential hidden classics, which the February schedule has in the Valentine/Backlund 1-hour draw. They can really do better than that. They can't afford to have "bad" months right now when they are pushing for this channel to succeed. If a bunch of trees in a forest work some boring matches but nobody actually has access to the channel to see it, do they really matter? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
strummer 0 Report post Posted February 2, 2005 The WWF matches from the 80s would probably look terrible compared to the matches from the other promotions (well maybe not late 80s/early90s AWA) but they might draw more viewers (especially in the Northeast) because so many people grew up on 80s WWF and still have fond memories. The WWF reached a tremendous audience during that time because of syndication and the NBC deal. So many would probably want to see something like King Kong Bundy v Hillbilly Jim than Bob Backlund v Patt Patterson Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Loss Report post Posted February 2, 2005 This is the type of thing that's going to appeal more to a hardcore fanbase. A casual fan isn't going to want to watch wrestling 24/7. I agree that it's not all about great match after great match, but there are better pieces of nostalgia they could put out -- Hogan defending the title in a singles match against just about anyone would be a good start. This isn't like booking the television -- their biggest audience here is going to be "smarks". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
teke184 0 Report post Posted February 2, 2005 I was reading the Monday Night War description and it says the program contains "insightful commentary by Michael Cole". I thought "insightful commentary" and "Michael Cole" were mutually exclusive unless Tazz gets involved... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
teke184 0 Report post Posted February 2, 2005 Another random thought- I'm thinking this may be a good time for me to play with my new TiVo and DVD recorder in order to get some unclipped PPVs from the early years of the WWE. I can't wait until September and November, when they break out the old-school Survivor Series and Summerslam goodness. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Trivia247 Report post Posted February 2, 2005 Hell I want to see the Early 90's HBK matches where he used the Tear drop suplex as a Finisher Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vern Gagne 0 Report post Posted February 2, 2005 Heenan vs. Gagne (8/17/80) Is this the classic Weasel suite match? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lil' Bitch 0 Report post Posted February 2, 2005 I thought that was with The Warrior? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Salacious Crumb Report post Posted February 2, 2005 I'm not overly impressed with this channel. I'm going to give up on it if they continue going with 80-90% WWF footage on the channel. It wouldn't kill them to show some NWA Saturday Night's, etc. I'll probably get it when Dish adds it this spring but they need a lot more variety on there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jericholic82 0 Report post Posted February 2, 2005 They also have NWA, AWA, ECW, SMW and WCW libraries at their fingertips, not to mention their own. There are plenty of shows that would translate to being good now that we haven't seen them show yet. Savage and Steamboat must have wrestled 300 times between 1985 and 1987. Ditto for the Harts and Bulldogs. There's tons of footage from the Backlund era. I hope the network improves over time as they continue to get a feel for what fans want. Maybe they are waiting until there is an actual audience before they run month's worth of high quality stuff. I want to see some classic matches too but a lot of this channel's potential appeal is just reliving what you grew up on. That would include things that are deemed "bad" from a smark preference. For instance, there may not be a **** classic at that '92 MSG show but I'd want to watch just to watch Bret Hart's face while he teams with the Bushwackers and to see a Shawn Michaels work his way up the card as a singles wrestler. Not to mention listen to Gorilla Monsoon's commentary which I miss so much. I remember back in the day how much I HATED the Bobby Heenan Show. Even at 16 years old, I wanted to see wrestling matches during that half hour. Now that I'm older and I appreciate the legend that is Bobby Heenan - I'd get a kick out of seeing those shows. I'm more into the concept of watching an entire episode of Georgia Championship Wrestling or WWF Superstars or Challenge rather than Steamboat vs. Savage for the 100th time. Bret worked ok with the whackers if I do recall but I was a young mark at the time so take it for what its worth I remember watching the show later on the msg channel. If they put both that and my first msg show (i think it was 11/91) on I would be happy . some houseshows had some interesting things case in point a june 92 houseshow I went to in white plains ny. the main event had the warrior and the LOD vs the nasty boys and Papa Shango imagine that for a sec. I went up to the front by the enterance and saw the lod before they came thru the curtain then shango came right near me with his smoking skull awesome Hogan and Piper as a team? thats pretty rare Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest krazykat72 Report post Posted February 3, 2005 It's been years since I've seen it, but Greg/Tito was pretty good from what I remmeber. The finish is them colliding mid ring and Valentine falling on top for the pin. I remember liking the 6 man elimination match when I saw back in the day. I forget the elimination order, but I know Piper pinned Savage with a roll up to win and got a real nice send off from the crowd. The Hogan & Piper/ Flair & Justice match was also ok from what I recall, and there's another one on a CHV that's probably very similar. I know Hogan pins Flair after a lariat at the MSG one. I like Michaels/Virgil. It's not spectacular, but it's nice to see Shawn adopting a new character after years of being in the Rockers. -Paul Jacobi- Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
humongous2002 0 Report post Posted February 4, 2005 When is this channel going to appear in NYC? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jericholic82 0 Report post Posted February 4, 2005 Or California damn adelphia cable Share this post Link to post Share on other sites