Corey_Lazarus 0 Report post Posted February 27, 2005 Benoit is greater than anybody that has ever passed through in TNA. Hands-down. That shouldn't be argued, and if it is? I'm revoking your SmartMarks membership card. Or something. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Styles 0 Report post Posted February 27, 2005 Benoit is greater than anybody that has ever passed through in TNA. Hands-down. That shouldn't be argued, and if it is? I'm revoking your SmartMarks membership card. Or something. I don't disagree Benoit is better overall and had the better career, but I think AJ Styles might be the most consistent, spectacular, well rounded wrestler today. Dare I say he's the modern Ric Flair with a better moveset. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hunter's Torn Quad 0 Report post Posted February 27, 2005 Styles the modern Ric Flair ? That's a good one. I'm a fan of Styles, and don't think Flair is quite the demi-god that most people think he is, but Styles is absolutely nowhere near being the modern Ric Flair. I don't even see how you can compare the two, anyway. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Styles 0 Report post Posted February 27, 2005 Styles the modern Ric Flair ? That's a good one. I'm a fan of Styles, and don't think Flair is quite the demi-god that most people think he is, but Styles is absolutely nowhere near being the modern Ric Flair. I don't even see how you can compare the two, anyway. Just the way how in every organization, with every different type of opponent, in every style of match the guy goes out there and has show stealing matches. I don't think I've ever seen a BAD AJ Styles match.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest LooneyTune Report post Posted February 28, 2005 Styles is more like Owen Hart. A good midcard/upper-midcarder, but reailistically shouldn't be in the Main Events of the #1 promotion (I would say big 2, but WCW is dead). Both are very good wrestlers, but are quite poor on the microphone, are pretty small, and aren't main event over. Also, Styles had a pretty shitty match vs. The Sandman in February 2003. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Styles 0 Report post Posted February 28, 2005 Both are very good wrestlers, but are quite poor on the microphone, are pretty small, and aren't main event over. Sheesh, good to see a member of WWE management posts here...you could say the same things about Bret Hart who also wasn't exactly Mr. excitement on the mic and was small and not a "typical" main eventer. I don't see where you get Styles is not over, either, as he consistenly gets the biggest reactions in TNA (and did in ROH) and people pretty much buy the PPVs to watch his matches. I guess under your same "criteria" RVD doesn't deserve a main event push either, afterall.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest LooneyTune Report post Posted February 28, 2005 TNA is full of sheep that cheer for fucking Shark Boy (as if anyone in management really care for him). Are you going to say because Shark Boy gets some great reactions he should be compared to Ric Flair? A.J. Styles would not be over in WWE, because casual fans wouldn't give a fuck about him. Smarks love Styles (he IS a good wrestler), but the marks out number us heavily. Also, Bret Hart shouldn't even be mentioned in the same topic with Rob Van Dam. Bret Hart is 100x the wrestler RVD wish he could ever be. Also, Bret Hart IS good at promos, it's just he has very little range in character. Styles sounds like a fucking hick who hardly can be taken seriously. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Styles 0 Report post Posted February 28, 2005 A.J. Styles would not be over in WWE, because casual fans wouldn't give a fuck about him. If he's treated like Paul London is, of course they won't. If he was allowed to let loose a little like RVD, I think he would be very over. I think you're missing my point entirely. This has nothing to do with being a "TNA sheep". AJ was equally awesome in all his ROH matches, stole the shows at those retchid WWA PPVs and also showed lots of talent in his brief appearences at the end of WCW. This is about AJ Styles talents who I believe is the most consistent, well rounded and exciting wrestler today. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Styles 0 Report post Posted February 28, 2005 Also, Bret Hart shouldn't even be mentioned in the same topic with Rob Van Dam. Bret Hart is 100x the wrestler RVD wish he could ever be. Also, Bret Hart IS good at promos, it's ust he has very little range. Styles sounds like a fucking hick who hardly can be taken seriously. Once again, your being selective in what you want to read. Im trying to make a general comment about how you pigeon hole people like WWE management does. "AJs too small and isn't good enough on the mic to be a mian eventer" well, so was Bret Hart. "He doesn't get "main event reactions". Well by that logic, neither does RVD, and I guess Steph and HHH were right... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest LooneyTune Report post Posted February 28, 2005 I'm not arguing his talent, but I wouldn't compare him to Ric Flair (and instead, compared him to a wrestler he is more suitable to compare with). A.J. is one of the best Indy wrestlers today (that I've seen at least), and rarely puts on a bad performance. I'm just pointing out he's got some flaws, as does almost every wrestler. Off topic, but Paul London seems over enough considering his role in the WWE. Or at least he is over to me, since he's putting on the best matches despite being on the B-Show every week. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Styles 0 Report post Posted February 28, 2005 Off topic, but Paul London seems over enough considering his role in the WWE. Or at least he is over to me, since he's putting on the best matches despite being on the B-Show every week. London is over with the "smart" fans who remember his matches in ROH and TNA and actually watch Velocity. Most "mainstream" Smackdown fans as you would say, don't even know who he is... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Styles 0 Report post Posted February 28, 2005 Oh, and let me clarify, I didn't mean he's like Ric Flair in terms of persona (i.e. the larger then life, amazing promo cutting center of the universe charismatic guy), but I meant strictly in the ring, in the way that Flair could carry a broomstick to a *** match, AJ can do the same thing, wrestle a good match out of opponents as varied as Abyss, Jeff Jarrett and Petey Williams and unlike Flair, actually make them look like different matches each time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest LooneyTune Report post Posted February 28, 2005 Which is a shame, because London is usually allowed to try and kill himself in matches, which is something management has told wrestlers not to do... unless he's gonig against their wishes and does it anyway. Back to WWE defender... Just so I don't get comments like I'm a Styles hater, I'm just arguing the WWE point of view, which is he's not what they would be looking for in a Main Eventer. If I had my way, Styles (along with Daniels, Skipper, and Sabin to name a few) would all be in WWE and would be pushed (as well as people like London already in WWE who get the shaft every week) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest LooneyTune Report post Posted February 28, 2005 Oh, and let me clarify, I didn't mean he's like Ric Flair in terms of persona (i.e. the larger then life, amazing promo cutting center of the universe charismatic guy), but I meant strictly in the ring, in the way that Flair could carry a broomstick to a *** match, AJ can do the same thing, wrestle a good match out of opponents as varied as Abyss, Jeff Jarrett and Petey Williams and unlike Flair, actually make them look like different matches each time. Whoops... I thought thats what the basis of the argument was... although I too think Flair is over-rated in terms of his actual in ring stuff (he's wrestled the same match for 30 years, with the same repetitive spots) but outside the ring, he's one of the greatest personalities in wrestling, who can cut a promo against a banana that would make me want to see that match. To cover one final base I missed, I don't hate RVD. I enjoy the stuff I've seen from him in ECW and WWF 2001-2002, but he's become so uninspired that I don't for him anymore. Still, he's had entertaining matches where he bumps like a mad man and can do some awesome spots no one else can do (which is due to his incredible athleticism). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted February 28, 2005 Oh, and let me clarify, I didn't mean he's like Ric Flair in terms of persona (i.e. the larger then life, amazing promo cutting center of the universe charismatic guy), but I meant strictly in the ring, in the way that Flair could carry a broomstick to a *** match, AJ can do the same thing, wrestle a good match out of opponents as varied as Abyss, Jeff Jarrett and Petey Williams and unlike Flair, actually make them look like different matches each time. AJ doesn't have to work with utter shitbags often. Easy to pull off 3 star affairs with somebody like Jeff "Mr. Mediocrity" Jarrett or the X Division spotkateers. I remember his tag match w/ Sting v Luger & JJ and it was the drizzling shits. -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
