Guest The Shadow Behind You Report post Posted February 25, 2005 What if it's HHH running the wrestling/creative aspect and shane running business? are there chances better? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RavishingRickRudo 0 Report post Posted February 25, 2005 No. I think worse. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Shadow Behind You Report post Posted February 25, 2005 Sometimes i can't wrap my head around the fact about 6 years ago we had no idea that after we all assumed that when Shane and Stephanie were ready to take over, that the one who actually does take over would be Shawn Michaels former Lackey and barely above mid-card status comedy babyface. Amazing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MarvinisaLunatic 0 Report post Posted February 25, 2005 It depends. This movie project could end up tanking the entire company if they bomb bad enough. Yeah, I wonder how much money Vince is blowing on his movie division. The guy just cannot accept that outside of wrestling, he is the biggest business moron of them all. Wrestling- Marketing genius Other- you are better off buying stock in Billy Beer The good thing is he has 250 million, the bad news is his projects are getting bigger in terms of spent money. Bodybuilding- Cheap football- little more costly movies- very costly What's next? WWE Airlines? Theres a WWE/Spaceballs joke here somewhere. WWE The Toilet Paper! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RavishingRickRudo 0 Report post Posted February 25, 2005 Wrestlemania XXI 2: The Search for More Money. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MarvinisaLunatic 0 Report post Posted February 25, 2005 Instant death of WWE... Jose Canseco accuses HHH of doing Steroids when he showed him how to do em back at a house show in 1996. OMG WRESTLERS DO STEROIDS! Then all the roided up wrestlers have to be fired, all that are left is 100lb cruisers and Vince (who amazingly didnt get firedl) decides hed rather quit that focus 100% on Cruisers. .... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2GOLD 0 Report post Posted February 25, 2005 Asking someone to pick between Triple H and Stephanie for who would control the creative side is like asking someone if they would rather die by hanging or eaten alive by chipmunks. You just can't win with either. The company won't tank but if they keep expanding into stupid things then they are in trouble. I mean, if you can't write a storyline that wrestling fans find appealing then I can't wait to see what the scripts for the movies look like. I wonder if Uwe Boll is busy, he can become the officially director of all WWE film projects. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Heppyhack Report post Posted February 25, 2005 Is there any chance of Shane taking over? He doesn't seem to have a big role backstage at all. Shane's role is head of new media, istr. Which means as well as the farily popular website revamp, the 24/7 project, the webcasts (and for some reason, the mags now as well) he presumably is in charge of the DVD releases, which are usually categorised as new media. In which case, aside from the fact we should be thanking the man for some rather spiffy releases over the last year or so, he's overseeing one of the most successful parts of the WWE product. at the moment. If and when Vince and Linda retire/pop their clogs, it's likely Shane would take over the business side of things, which isn't going to be a huge problem. Creative's where the real issues are at the moment. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted February 25, 2005 Let's face it --- the WWE is like MLB. No matter how many asinine decisions they may make, they have a near perfect business model for wrestling. Their games sell obscenely well. Their DVD's sell well and cost little to make. Their TV shows make money. WWE 24/7 will, most likely, end up making some money. Their books sell pretty well. The movie division, honestly, has a decent chance of at least breaking even. $10M isn't all that impossible an amount of money to make on a movie with proper marketing. -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BUTT 0 Report post Posted February 25, 2005 Mike's right. The big advantage that they have in this particular "down period" as compared to the one in the mid 90's is that they have no competition - there will always be a market at least in the low millions for wrestling, and WWE has a stranglehold on that market for now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Placebo Effect 0 Report post Posted February 25, 2005 Bodybuilding- Cheap football- little more costly movies- very costly What's next? WWE Airlines? Actually, WWE Films, depending on how many projects they complete, may cost less than the XFL. WBF caused a $15 million or so loss. XFL lost the WWE somewhere between $45 and $75 million, and I'm sure someone will throw the official figure in. WWE Films budgets their pictures at around $15 million, and they've completed two (?), with a third in pre-production. Let's just say they finish the third one, adding in start-up costs and such, you can round things to an inflated $55 million. And let's not forget that the XFL's total revenue wasn't that number between $45 and $75 million. They did bring in SOME money. The $55 million pricetag I put on the WWE Films division as a whole does not include any kind of generated revenue. Will WWE Films be a roaring success? Absolutely not. Will the company lose money in the longrun? Probably not. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iggymcfly 0 Report post Posted February 25, 2005 Actually, Triple H has a pretty good wrestling mind. Ten years from now, when he's done worrying about his own career, I'm sure he'll do a find job handling creative. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hunter's Torn Quad 0 Report post Posted February 25, 2005 While Hunter definitely has a great wrestling mind, so far he's shown either a complete unwillingness or a total inability to come up with anything good when it doesn't involve him or his friends in some way. Because of that, for Hunter to have any kind of real success when he takes charge, he needs to be surrounded by people who can try to influence him into giving serious creative thought into those who aren't his buddies. Unless something like that happens when he's retired from a full-time wrestling career and is heading up creative, I think he'll push his friends or buddies to the moon, regardless of whether it's best for business, and he'll probably put himself in the role of the retired babyface who comes out of retirement every so often to thwart the heels, because the current babyfaces of the time will be positioned has not being able to get it done themselves. It will be the ultimate irony that a devout fan of Ric Flair will turn into the very man who tried to run Flair out of the NWA. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Loss Report post Posted February 25, 2005 I don't even know that Hunter has a great wrestling mind. He doesn't even know how to book his own angles properly most of the time. He's had far more failures than successes since rising to power in WWE. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hunter's Torn Quad 0 Report post Posted February 25, 2005 I think he at least had a great wrestling mind. I think his major fault, and it's one that a lot in wrestling have, is that his mindset is one that isn't in tune with current fans. He sees things in a way that doesn't reflect the current landscape. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nl5xsk1 0 Report post Posted February 25, 2005 The obvious answer ... not close at all. I work for a company that does telecommunications (got to be vague, I don't want anyone knowing where I work) and has been bleeding money for YEARS yet we're still in business. The wwe could be losing money hand over fist and even then would probably be bought by someone that thought they could make money off of what was left. (think Vince buying wcw). Hell, they could probably cease all live events and make good money just releasing DVD releases and whatnot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted February 25, 2005 Bodybuilding- Cheap football- little more costly movies- very costly What's next? WWE Airlines? Actually, WWE Films, depending on how many projects they complete, may cost less than the XFL. WBF caused a $15 million or so loss. XFL lost the WWE somewhere between $45 and $75 million, and I'm sure someone will throw the official figure in. WWE Films budgets their pictures at around $15 million, and they've completed two (?), with a third in pre-production. Let's just say they finish the third one, adding in start-up costs and such, you can round things to an inflated $55 million. And let's not forget that the XFL's total revenue wasn't that number between $45 and $75 million. They did bring in SOME money. The $55 million pricetag I put on the WWE Films division as a whole does not include any kind of generated revenue. Will WWE Films be a roaring success? Absolutely not. Will the company lose money in the longrun? Probably not. According to the book Long Bomb, XFL lost $60M which was split evenly between WWFE and NBC. So, it only cost Vince $30M. It was actually a surprisingly interesting book. Didn't know that Lorne Michaels initially was very supportive of the league. While Hunter definitely has a great wrestling mind, so far he's shown either a complete unwillingness or a total inability to come up with anything good when it doesn't involve him or his friends in some way. In Hunter's defense (and, man, I never expected to use those words), isn't this a legitimate gripe with almost every booker in history? They always tend to push their favorites. -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hunter's Torn Quad 0 Report post Posted February 25, 2005 While Hunter definitely has a great wrestling mind, so far he's shown either a complete unwillingness or a total inability to come up with anything good when it doesn't involve him or his friends in some way. In Hunter's defense (and, man, I never expected to use those words), isn't this a legitimate gripe with almost every booker in history? They always tend to push their favorites. -=Mike While booker's tend to push their favorites, the smart bookers also know when it's time not to do that, and I've seen nothing that shows me Hunter either knows or cares when it's time to stop pushing either he or his friends. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
