An idea for Foley at Mania 21

[Guest Y2DAYDAY]

I think they should get Foley on the Mania show as the ref in the Legend vs Legend Killer match with Taker vs Orton. A small thing like adding Foley to the match would make it seem that much more important and more main event like.

 

Plus, if Taker goes over, Foley is Orton built in excuse for losing , helping him save face, which would be necessary because they want him on top.

 

Idea, good or bad?

[MarvinisaLunatic 0]

coughlastyearcough

[Guest Salacious Crumb]

No,

 

they need to get away from using the Attitude era guys as a crutch. Just let the newer guys go out there and do things on their own. They'll have to sometime.

[Guest Shadow]

If they do bother to use Foley; this is the best place for it. He has that history with Orton just last year and you can always have foley go "This man proved he can fight" rub...

 

the real interesting aspect would be the fact Orton would have NO problem with it, knowing that no one ever gotten over Taker as much as Foley did.

 

it'd be a great psychological ploy for Orton to use on the dead man.

[Guest Failed Mascot]

I'd be a happy man if I never saw or heard Foley went into a WWE ring again. Not because I dislike Foley, but because the WWE isn't worth his time.

[Guest Shadow]

The man sure loves a hefty paycheck though and I'd like to see it happen because he can use it in ROH angle with Samoa Joe right now if he says "just for the hell of it, I picked up a check to referee a match at wrestlemania that was twice the amount you make in a year busting your ass across the world" type shot at joe.

[Guest Ransome]

Matches that sell themselves simply don't need guest refs. Orton is desperate to end the famed streak of the Undertaker to solidify his spot as the legend-killer. Why clutter the storyline with anything else?

 

I could understand how Foley as a ref would raise interest in an otherwise crumby match like HHH vs Nash, but when it doesn't fit in with the storyline at hand, why bother?

 

Besides, they've already hyped up the appearances of Hulk Hogan, Roddy Piper and Steve Austin at WM. If they must, save Foley for a future PPV rather than blowing their load at the PPV that's already gonna get huge buyrates on name alone. If it were up to me, WM wouldn't be relying on relics from the past when their future superstars need to shine.

[genius33 0]

following your logic... then why did SCSA ref goldberg-lesnar??? i mean we all know how that turned out, BUT the match was solidly hyped and a lot of people wanted to see it and were excited. it didn't need a special guest ref, the match sold itself.

[reign 0]

following your logic... then why did SCSA ref goldberg-lesnar??? i mean we all know how that turned out, BUT the match was solidly hyped and a lot of people wanted to see it and were excited. it didn't need a special guest ref, the match sold itself.

They had to fit his ass in there someplace...after all "It wouldn't be WrestleMania without ol' Stone Cold" as a retarded fat man has said.....

[Guest Y2DAYDAY]

Lot of things here.

 

Austin was added as ref for numerous reasons, the main ones being they wanted Goldberg to eat a Stunner and that Goldberg wouldn't be around to promote the match so they basically promoted it around Austin vs Lesnar. In retrospect, they were lucky they added him because of how things went down.

 

I suggested Foley as ref so they wouldn't have to blow their wad with him wrestling. Save that for the summer, meaning programs with Flair and Hassan. Plus as the other poster said, Foley has a strong history with Orton but a stronger history with Taker. Is Foley coming back to get back at Orton? would be the main question until Orton turned it around and brought up the Taker vs Foley past feud if they want to turn Orton heel. Or like I said earlier, Foley can be Orton's out for doing the job if they go that direction.

 

Orton vs Taker needs something to put it on the level of HHH vs Batista and Angle vs HBK because if this match is Orton's coming out party(meaning the thing that finally puts him over the top as a permanent tippety top guy, sort of like the McMahon-Helmsley Era and Foley jobbing over and over for him was to HHH), going in the match HAS to be as big a deal as possible. If this is just a match that is thrown together and means little, so will Orton's win and you have wasted Taker's first Mania job.

 

I like how they are doing this year's show. The top 4 events/matches are all top guys currently with the company and going forward will still be around, with 3 of the 4 matches building to Batista, Cena, and Orton being the new faces of the company(don't think HHH is going anywhere however) in 2005. Steve Austin's return, as Meltzer stated in the Observer is smart because his first appearance in a year draws as much as his first match would so have him do Piper's Pit, then if he is going to wrestle, do the angle at Mania and the match at Backlash, helping the Backlash buyrate big time.

 

Piper's return means a lot less than Austin's but still helps.

 

Hogan isn't even announced for the show, only the HOF. And if he is going to have a role on the show, they need to figure it out soon and start advertising it.

 

And hey, they are already saving Rock's return for Mania 22, which Meltzer hinted at in the Observer as well.

 

They are counting on Batista vs HHH, Cena vs JBL, Angle vs HBK, and Orton vs Taker , mostly Batista vs HHH though, to draw the big Mania number. Austin, Piper, and Foley and Hogan, if involved, all help but are all garnish to the 4 main matches that are the steak, like Dusty likes to say.

 

They have the perfect mix of using their current and future top guys to headline while utilizing yet saving the acts of the past for garnish.

 

Again, even with Austin, Piper, and possibly Foley and Hogan on the show, all 4 help but you are still saving Austin's return match, Foley vs Flair, and the occasional big Hogan match which is the plan for him in the future, not to mention the possible return of Brock Lesnar down the line and the probably return of the Rock for Mania next year.

[Mole 0]

I'd be a happy man if I never saw or heard Foley went into a WWE ring again. Not because I dislike Foley, but because the WWE isn't worth his time.

Couldn't agree anymore.

 

And Taker/Orton would never happen and shouldn't happen.

[Youth N Asia 0]

I don't like the idea of booking Foley just for the sake of booking Foley. If he's not going to stick around and do something I don't need to see him, same with Rocky.

[Dobbs 3K 0]

Ditto for me. I'm sick of guest refs that really add nothing to the match anyway. Besides, it seems like they've used Foley as a special ref a bunch of times already. Plus he did the commisioner thing to death...frankly, if he's not coming back to wrestle or maybe manage someone, I don't want to see him on my TV screen anymore.

[MikeJordan23 0]

Didn't Foley say he wont be at this WM?

 

Either way, if he's not wrestling Ric Flair, I'm not interested.

[Guest Askewniverse]

And Taker/Orton would never happen and shouldn't happen.

Would never happen? It's already on the WrestleMania card.

[AndrewTS 0]

F_ck F_l_y.

[Youth N Asia 0]

I'd like to buy a vowel

[USC Wuz Robbed! 0]

And Taker/Orton would never happen and shouldn't happen.

Would never happen? It's already on the WrestleMania card.

I think he meant if it was up to him, it wouldn't happen.

[Guest Y2DAYDAY]

AndrewTS, by any chance were you the guy at Cal U(California University of PA)when Foley had his lecture that told Foley the HHH vs Nash Hell in the Cell match sucked and he pretty much dissed you? If so, that would explain the dislike for Foley. I only know this because you mentioned his lecture before it happened and you were nice enough to give me the info about it after I emailed you. The only reason I ask is because you were very Pro-Foley before the lecture and after you have not been.

[AndrewTS 0]

AndrewTS, by any chance were you the guy at Cal U(California University of PA)when Foley had his lecture that told Foley the HHH vs Nash Hell in the Cell match sucked and he pretty much dissed you? If so, that would explain the dislike for Foley. I only know this because you mentioned his lecture before it happened and you were nice enough to give me the info about it after I emailed you. The only reason I ask is because you were very Pro-Foley before the lecture and after you have not been.

Yeah, I was, and that could be part of it. However, Foley's post-retirement relationship with WWE had grown more and more transparent, and I had only really begun to be revulsed by his WWE involvement for the Orton feud.

 

I thought it was a big enough joke already for him to indirectly for him to give HHH-Nash his stamp of approval and doing more to *properly* build the feud than Nash did (the beatdown he took prior to the Cell match).

 

However, aside from that he'd keep showing up for plugs, he did the feud with Orton. I blame Foley for Orton getting enough heat to stay on the radar long enough for this Taker/Orton thing to even be an issue today. Plus, the way so much attention and airtime focused on that feud was focused on him--it really highlighted how deficient Orton was (at that time, although he's not much better now).

 

On top of that, the God-awful segment he did with Hassan and Daivari sealed it--I never, ever want to see Foley involved in WWE TV again.

 

 

So,

 

for being such a huge publicity whore

 

promoting an HHH-Nash match

 

thus helping it get some extra buys AND having no shame for it

 

giving Orton heat and putting him over

 

being involved in that stupid segment with Hassan/Daivari

 

--fuck Foley.

 

I recall that there were a few converts during the Orton feud as well, because some of his segments were downright irritating during that as well.

 

It's arguably also Foley's fault that HHH is where he is right now, but he had no way of knowing that he was creating a monster back then. However, it may have just ended up being Taker who would put HHH over at Mania, ending the streak, instead, so it was probably inevitable.

[Guest Failed Mascot]

You sure do talk alot for a guy Foley shut up.

[Guest Arnold_OldSchool]

I don't think Foley is needed, but he has fueded with both Orton and Taker, so the history would be there.

[Placebo Effect 0]

You sure do talk alot for a guy Foley shut up.

Ohh snap