Batista on RAW last night

[2GOLD]

Is it usually smart to insult a mod on SMARTMARKS?

That usually doesn't end well.

[Dark Age]

I agree that HHH is really putting over Batista. For real this time!

 

I've thought that Batista would be the man Triple H actually puts over since he started turning.

 

If Triple H put Batista over, and let him and others run with the company for a bit, while he wrestled in the upper mid card, Smarks everywhere would go insane looking for ways Triple H is just doing this to put himself over.

Triple H won't put him over. He'll lose to him, sure. But he's not going to actually "put him over" because Trips will still be the star of the show.

[iggymcfly]

Are people so thrown by Hunter truly putting someone over, that they lose all ability to think rationally and coherently ?

blah blah blah

Don't be try and be a smartass. You're only halfway there, and you've got the wrong end of the act down as it is.

Better to be an ass than a dumbass I suppose. And believe me, I can tell YOU have both halves down from your post....

He didn't say dumbass. He said smartass.

 

Dumbass.

[Dark Age]

No, he's calling HTQ a dumbass. HTQ called him an ass. The other guy was correct.

[4hartthreat]

He didn't say dumbass. He said smartass.

 

Dumbass.

Wow, add another to the list. I know what he said.

[4hartthreat]

Is it usually smart to insult a mod on SMARTMARKS?

That usually doesn't end well.

He attacked me first, I was just responding to his unprovoked attack. I meant everything I said. I honestly believe that HHH is going to win on Sunday and I was just expressing that. If he disagrees, he should find a better way to express that.

[Twisted Intestine]

HTQ's a big boy, he can handle it.

[AndrewTS]

Let's face it--I don't think WWE would have both heel champs go over and retain their titles.  Plus, I can't see the last match on Wrestlemania be a JBL match.

What makes you think JBL is retaining his title? I think Cena is definately winning at WM. And I always just assumed up until a month or so ago that Batista was winning as well. But since he powerbombed HHH through that table, HHH has not done a damn thing to Batista and has only been made to look like a fool by him. HHH wins matches where he has dominated the entire build-up through out, do you really think he'll let himself be jobbed out after not winning a single confrontation during a feud? By all means Batista should probably win, but then again so should have Booker, but he won't, just like Booker. HHH put over Benoit last year, he is going to find a way to convince Vince that Batista just wouldn't be good for the company if he holds the title.

I expect JBL to retain because Cena's push seems somewhat thrown together, while Batista's had the slow build going on for several months. If Cena would win the title, aside from a rematch with JBL, what decent heels does Cena have to challenge?

 

Kurt seems the best option, but HBK almost certain to win, it seems less likely.

If the booking indicated Kurt would go over, I'd say sure, since Kurt/Cena could be a decent program (key word: could--insert your favorite Anglesault rantings on the last Angle/Cena program here). Yet it seems like a match they would want to save for next Mania, unless Kurt's expecting to retire before then. I doubt that, though.

 

Plus, Vince seems to simply like JBL and may like the idea of keeping one show with a heel champ, the other with a face champ.

 

Of course, regardless if JBL retains or not, the roster switches post-Mania could reshuffle the main event pictures of either show quite a bit, but surely WWE will only be *adding* to Smackdown, not taking away...again...right?

 

Cena seems the obvious, mark-pleasing answer to go over, but going by the current rosters, I don't see many good programs in store for him as champ unless somebody big turns at Mania.

 

Still, the same could have been said about Benoit winning last year. He won, but they had absolutely no compelling feuds for him after the Backlash rematch, and the reign kind of laid there and died.

[4hartthreat]

I expect JBL to retain because Cena's push seems somewhat thrown together, while Batista's had the slow build going on for several months. If Cena would win the title, aside from a rematch with JBL, what decent heels does Cena have to challenge?

 

Cena seems the obvious, mark-pleasing answer to go over, but going by the current rosters, I don't see many good programs in store for him as champ unless somebody big turns at Mania.

Well that is a good point. But since I think HHH is retaining, I have to see Cena winning.

 

As for the turn thing, there has been talk for months of turning Eddie. If ANYONE can have a good title match with Cena it's Eddie. JBL hasn't had a good title match since him. If he can do it for Bradshaw, I have to believe he can do it for Cena.

[chaosrage]

No way is HHH losing twice in a row in the main event of WM. I can't see that happening.

[Dark Age]

They should have Cena lose, and then go nuts and kill JBL's dudes. Then Rey and Eddie try to calm Cena backstage. Then Rey says someone needs to beat JBL. Then we see Eddie. Then Rey loses to JBL. Then Eddie beats him at GAB. Then Cena acts all fake sincere and stuff, but really he's going mad that Eddie could do what he couldn't do. Then Cena ends up with the belt somehow. Then turns heel. Then he defends against Eddie next year. WORKS~!

[Hunter's Torn Quad]

Is it usually smart to insult a mod on SMARTMARKS?

That usually doesn't end well.

He attacked me first, I was just responding to his unprovoked attack. I meant everything I said. I honestly believe that HHH is going to win on Sunday and I was just expressing that. If he disagrees, he should find a better way to express that.

You seem to be a little paranoid. I wasn't attacking you. I was responding at what I can only guess was some lame attempt at being funny, with your remark about Batista's suits, something that I've never referred to whenever I've talked about him.

 

And I've found better ways to express my views on the misguided opinion that Triple H is going to win. I just save that sort of thing for a debate with people who matter, and use people like you to amuse myself. I am now amused, so you may go about your daily business.

[Dark Age]

I too am amused, but for different reasons. I shall not reveal them.

 

EDIT: Also, I await a post from Rodney Mack molests cats.

[AndrewTS]

I expect JBL to retain because Cena's push seems somewhat thrown together, while Batista's had the slow build going on for several months.  If Cena would win the title, aside from a rematch with JBL, what decent heels does Cena have to challenge?

 

Cena seems the obvious, mark-pleasing answer to go over, but going by the current rosters, I don't see many good programs in store for him as champ unless somebody big turns at Mania.

Well that is a good point. But since I think HHH is retaining, I have to see Cena winning.

 

As for the turn thing, there has been talk for months of turning Eddie. If ANYONE can have a good title match with Cena it's Eddie. JBL hasn't had a good title match since him. If he can do it for Bradshaw, I have to believe he can do it for Cena.

Ah yes. I forgot about Eddie's match, which would be a good choice to see a turn.

 

Because Eddie didn't seem to react too well under heavy pressure as champ, I don't see him holding a major title for quite some time. However, that wouldn't prevent him from having a main event feud for a month, losing, and going back to the midcard for a while. Plus, if anyone could make Cena look like a million bucks as champ, Eddie could. Although we haven't seen him as a *real* heel for a long time.

[Hunter's Torn Quad]

No way is HHH losing twice in a row in the main event of WM. I can't see that happening.

As I've said in other threads, Hunter will do it, because it'll give him a lot of political capital when it comes to future jobs he's asked to do. By doing the clean job in two Wrestlemania main events in a row, he's setting himself up for a lengthy run of Wrestlemania main event wins. He's going to be in the main event of every Wrestlemania from now until the day he dies, and he knows that by winning all of them he'd get so much heat that it wouldn't be funny. So, he does a couple of losses in a row now, so down the road he can make the argument that he should win the rest of his main events, and point to the fact that did the job for two main events in a row to bolster his case. It's really quite brilliant.

[Guest Shadow]

and it also allows him do the old

 

"Yes He got one by me but in the end, I put him down for good" excuse by putting Batistia over @ Mania and then getting the title back in 3 months. Adds another bulletpoint to his list and another notch on his reign chart.

[Dark Age]

Damn you Triple H!

 

Ah yes. I forgot about Eddie's match, which would be a good choice to see a turn.

 

Because Eddie didn't seem to react too well under heavy pressure as champ, I don't see him holding a major title for quite some time. However, that wouldn't prevent him from having a main event feud for a month, losing, and going back to the midcard for a while. Plus, if anyone could make Cena look like a million bucks as champ, Eddie could. Although we haven't seen him as a *real* heel for a long time.

 

I must, once again, inform you all that it would be a terrible decision to turn Eddie heel. Having him tweener it up until a GAB win over JBL, in which Eddie sees the error of his ways, would be cool. Otherwise, no.

[Hunter's Torn Quad]

As far as I know, Eddie isn't turning heel. If Cena wins the WWE Title, which seems the more likely result of the Cena v JBL match, then Eddie can play subtle heel against Cena, as I expect Eddie beat Rey and them to use that to springboard Eddie into the WWE Title picture.

[Dark Age]

and it also allows him do the old

 

"Yes He got one by me but in the end, I put him down for good" excuse by putting Batistia over @ Mania and then getting the title back in 3 months. Adds another bulletpoint to his list and another notch on his reign chart.

Where does he keep this chart you speak of? It interests me.

 

I don't think Triple H will win the title back from Batista. He needs a go between, like Orton last year, so that his dominance is less obvious. Maybe even two!

[Dark Age]

As far as I know, Eddie isn't turning heel. If Cena wins the WWE Title, which seems the more likely result of the Cena v JBL match, then Eddie can play subtle heel against Cena, as I expect Eddie beat Rey and them to use that to springboard Eddie into the WWE Title picture.

This pleases me.

 

EDIT: Also, I anticipate a post from Naked Snake.

[AndrewTS]

Damn you Triple H!

 

Ah yes. I forgot about Eddie's match, which would be a good choice to see a turn.

 

Because Eddie didn't seem to react too well under heavy pressure as champ, I don't see him holding a major title for quite some time. However, that wouldn't prevent him from having a main event feud for a month, losing, and going back to the midcard for a while. Plus, if anyone could make Cena look like a million bucks as champ, Eddie could. Although we haven't seen him as a *real* heel for a long time.

 

I must, once again, inform you all that it would be a terrible decision to turn Eddie heel. Having him tweener it up until a GAB win over JBL, in which Eddie sees the error of his ways, would be cool. Otherwise, no.

Predicting what WWE will do doesn't necessarily mean I think it should be done.

 

Personally, I think Cena as a new champ should be programmed immediately against a strong heel to cement him as a main event star. A program, right away, with a willy-nilly tweener would make for a more interesting long term program, but more sensibly could wait a while later down the road.

[4hartthreat]

I too am amused, but for different reasons. I shall not reveal them.

 

EDIT: Also, I await a post from Rodney Mack molests cats.

Is it because of the fact that HTQ is so easily amused? Or that he made an ass of himself and then backed off? Or is it because his super awesome debating skills are saved for people of true importance such as chaosrage, a man with cookie monster as his avatar? Maybe seeing that C really is for cookie inspired HTQ to his inspiring commentary on HHH not winning this year but winning EVERY WM main event to come.

[Kahran Ramsus]

I really can't see the Cena/JBL feud ending at Mania. They have had about a month of build and is Smackdown's biggest match. They will extend it at least to Judgment Day in order to get more out of it. Cena will win the fued and the title, but that means JBL is retaining this time.

[Hunter's Torn Quad]

Cena as champ need not be programmed against a strong heel, as much as a strong personality, either heel or face. Cena is pretty shallow character wise, and whoever he faces post-WM needs to strong enough and deep enough to help cover Cena's weaknesses. I think Eddie will beat Rey, which will be used to put Eddie in the title picture, and that with JBL going after his title, they'll have enough to cover for what Cena lacks.

[Dark Age]

I too am amused, but for different reasons. I shall not reveal them.

 

EDIT: Also, I await a post from Rodney Mack molests cats.

Is it because of the fact that HTQ is so easily amused? Or that he made an ass of himself and then backed off? Or is it because his super awesome debating skills are saved for people of true importance such as chaosrage, a man with cookie monster as his avatar? Maybe seeing that C really is for cookie inspired HTQ to his inspiring commentary on HHH not winning this year but winning EVERY WM main event to come.

Nah, private joke.

[The Czech Republic]

I really can't see the Cena/JBL feud ending at Mania. They have had about a month of build and is Smackdown's biggest match. They will extend it at least to Judgment Day in order to get more out of it. Cena will win the fued and the title, but that means JBL is retaining this time.

So they're using WrestleMania to build to...Judgment Day?!? Yeah I'm not calling you stupid because you're absolutely right, but WWE is stupid

[AndrewTS]

I really can't see the Cena/JBL feud ending at Mania. They have had about a month of build and is Smackdown's biggest match. They will extend it at least to Judgment Day in order to get more out of it. Cena will win the fued and the title, but that means JBL is retaining this time.

Yeah, that sounds more realistic. While most people have Cena pegged as going over, it just doesn't seem like they'd start a feud this close to Mania, build it up so much, and then have a clear blowoff so quickly. Especially since they've put so much work into JBL as champ.

 

Of course, I wouldn't have expected Booker/HHH to be ended after one PPV match either.

[Kahran Ramsus]

I really can't see the Cena/JBL feud ending at Mania.  They have had about a month of build and is Smackdown's biggest match.  They will extend it at least to Judgment Day in order to get more out of it.  Cena will win the fued and the title, but that means JBL is retaining this time.

So they're using WrestleMania to build to...Judgment Day?!? Yeah I'm not calling you stupid because you're absolutely right, but WWE is stupid

Not necessarily...it might be Great American Bash.

[Hunter's Torn Quad]

If they want to keep Cena and JBL's feud going past WM, they don't have to do anything that night. They can have Cena get his big win, walk out of WM a big star, and then have JBL lay him out a Smackdown or two later.

[Kahran Ramsus]

The appeal is in the chase. They should have the title win be the blowoff, not start the feud with it. Once JBL loses he's probably going down the card faster than Honky Tonk Man did.