NBA Offseason Stuff

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A basketball arena is a basketball player's workplace. If they are told that a certain dress code standard is required to be worn at the workplace than they must abide by the rules. If starbucks happened to change its work attire to only green polo shirts the employees would have to change their wardrobe for work if they want to not face a reprimand. The same is true for a basketball player. Basketball is a job. They are there to play basketball and entertain the fans by playing basketball. There are no gold chain contests during all-star weekend. There is no baggiest pants contest. When I show up to work and stroll into the office wearing flip-flops and a wife beater I might as well clean my desk out right away. It's against the dress code and I know better than to break it. The same is the case for basketball players. It is there job to abide by certain rules and codes mandated by the league. If the players do not like it, that doesn't really matter. It won't take away from basketball playing so fans won't give a shit.

 

The arena IS their office. Whenever they are doing work in practice they are at work. If they are talking to the media after practice or a game they are at work. Basketball players are salaried, duh. That means they do not have 9 to 5 jobs that they are paid hourly wages. They have more responsibility to represent their company/league that they work in. Race is not an issue. Jason Williams of the Heat often wore gold chains. If the league sees it to be inappropriate work attire than so be it. Anyone can wear a gold chain. You do not have to be black to wear a chain. You can argue that the hip-hop lifestyle is mostly African American. Yes, African Americans make up a large percentage but so do Latinos, Caucasians, and Asians. You cannot make judgments that because most rap videos have guys with gold chains means that it is strictly an African American thing. That’s fucking bullshit. The rule does not say that African American players can’t wear chains outside of their clothes, it says ALL PLAYERS cannot wear chains outside of their clothes.

 

The argument that the players will have to go out and buy an all-new wardrobe is also bullshit. First of all, if you have ever watched any show like cribs and have seen one of these guys closets, they own massive amounts of formal dress suits. The poorest guy in the league can afford a 12-dollar button down shirt. If not I'm sure he can put it on his amex card. Ever hear of a place called Men's Warehouse? Yeah the sell suits and shit and have a massive store that sells all sizes of suits for very reasonable prices.

 

All the players, (workers), are doing is bitching the league (their bosses), that they don't want to change the wardrobe. Guess what, it doesn't matter what the players thing about a change in policy. They are the employees. They are lucky enough to have been given the chance to play in the NBA and if they are going to let a 12 dollar button down shirt get in their way of being a great player and fulfilling their dreams and their fans dreams then they and everyone that agrees with them can just leave. There are plenty of kids that would love to step up their game and take that whining players spot as a star.

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A basketball arena is a basketball player's workplace. If they are told that a certain dress code standard is required to be worn at the workplace than they must abide by the rules. If starbucks happened to change its work attire to only green polo shirts the employees would have to change their wardrobe for work if they want to not face a reprimand. The same is true for a basketball player. Basketball is a job. They are there to play basketball and entertain the fans by playing basketball.  There are no gold chain contests during all-star weekend. There is no baggiest pants contest. When I show up to work and stroll into the office wearing flip-flops and a wife beater I might as well clean my desk out right away. It's against the dress code and I know better than to break it. The same is the case for basketball players. It is there job to abide by certain rules and codes mandated by the league. If the players do not like it, that doesn't really matter. It won't take away from basketball playing so fans won't give a shit.

 

The arena IS their office. Whenever they are doing work in practice they are at work. If they are talking to the media after practice or a game they are at work. Basketball players are salaried, duh. That means they do not have 9 to 5 jobs that they are paid hourly wages. They have more responsibility to represent their company/league that they work in. Race is not an issue. Jason Williams of the Heat often wore gold chains. If the league sees it to be inappropriate work attire than so be it. Anyone can wear a gold chain. You do not have to be black to wear a chain. You can argue that the hip-hop lifestyle is mostly African American. Yes, African Americans make up a large percentage but so do Latinos, Caucasians, and Asians. You cannot make judgments that because most rap videos have guys with gold chains means that it is strictly an African American thing. That’s fucking bullshit. The rule does not say that African American players can’t wear chains outside of their clothes, it says ALL PLAYERS cannot wear chains outside of their clothes.

 

The argument that the players will have to go out and buy an all-new wardrobe is also bullshit. First of all, if you have ever watched any show like cribs and have seen one of these guys closets, they own massive amounts of formal dress suits. The poorest guy in the league can afford a 12-dollar button down shirt. If not I'm sure he can put it on his amex card. Ever hear of a place called Men's Warehouse? Yeah the sell suits and shit and have a massive store that sells all sizes of suits for very reasonable prices.

 

All the players, (workers), are doing is bitching the league (their bosses), that they don't want to change the wardrobe. Guess what, it doesn't matter what the players thing about a change in policy. They are the employees. They are lucky enough to have been given the chance to play in the NBA and if they are going to let a 12 dollar button down shirt get in their way of being a great player and fulfilling their dreams and their fans dreams then they and everyone that agrees with them can just leave. There are plenty of kids that would love to step up their game and take that whining players spot as a star.

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This sort of patronizing nonsense is really tiresome. You managed to hit every dumb cliche about pro sports in one single post, right down the whiny "if they don't like it they can leave there are plenty of kids that would like to play" line.

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When I show up to work and stroll into the office wearing flip-flops and a wife beater I might as well clean my desk out right away.

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You also don't work wearing a basketball jersey, do you?

 

People who work wearing jerseys, using jerseys while not on the court....BLASHPEMY!

[Guest MikeSC]

And THEY aren't bitching about having to buy suits while making a fraction of what the "stars" (who, mind you, aren't exactly producing big ratings) make.

 

Steve Nash, Brad Miller, Greg Ostertag, Jason Collier (before he died of course) and plenty of others have been against it.

 

Goodie for them. It's the LEAGUE'S decision, not their own. They already showed they can't make the correct choice.

 

Of course, Allen Iverson and Stephen Jackson is all you are going to see on television complaining. The funny thing about this is that Marcus Camby, the guy that made the comment wears suits to every game. he was just raising a good point.

 

A.I is supposed to be a draw. Yeah, he'll get attention. As for Stephen Jackson, the man should have been banned for life based on his actions in Detroit.

 

Or, in simple terms, a little less than 1% of the salary of stars. Man, the brutal life they live. Gee, I have to look professional, and I make a tiny fraction and am seen by a microscopic percentage as many people.

 

Okay, A: Don't you work in a warehouse?

 

Nope.

 

Since when do you have to look professional.

 

Since my employer has the power to make the rules. It's called living in the real world.

 

And B: THE SALARY STARS ARE NOT THE ONLY ONES AFFECTED.

 

The "poor" ones are making a damned good living. Again, I'll reserve my sympathy for people who warrant it.

 

If we were to impliment a new tax where every american would have to pay an additional 2k per year in taxes, we would all bitch but honestly it wouldn't hurt the majority of the nation. But then you have those that are making 10-11k per year. If you impliment a policy you have to think of how it affects EVERYONE in its scope, not just the most priviledged.

 

The least priveleged make 6 figures.

 

Again, forgive me if I don't weep for their cruel, cruel plight.

 

They can always find a different job that --- wait, few real jobs pay better. Funny, huh?

 

Yet I manage to go on with life and not find the sheer "idiocy" of a policy where a company doesn't want to have their image tarnished because their employees can't dress like adults.

 

They will have their image tarnished py employees that think like children if they employ people like yourself that say "Hey, he has a differnet style than me. He is not dressing like an adult".

 

Yes. Because fellow employees are who companies worry about more than the paying customers.

 

That's a real solid business plan there.

 

Be a socialist all you want thats how you want to feel, but don't insult people that don't feel that way.

 

You work for the NBA, you abide by the rules. You don't want to, go find a job suitable to your utter lack of any marketable skills.

 

Again, I'll save my empathy for people who warrant it. I have a hard time pitying people making several times more than I do doing a far easier job.

 

Yet bankers, who make about 1/3 of what Ivey makes, manage to make ends meet while buying suits.

 

Bankers that are taxed considerably less, have less expenses, and can shop off the rack.

 

Yeah, hold on to that one.

 

...of course, bankers don't have the legion of illegitimate offspring all over the country as the majority of the NBA does, but they still only have a salary a FRACTION of what the NBA's lowest paid players make.

 

Yes, because guys after a year or two of college (where they received a free ride) OFTEN have big expenses. Yup.

 

You DO know that the families of first year NBA players average around 18k per year in their incomes right?

 

You know, somewhere, in some alternate reality, that is a relevant point.

 

It's a shame this is not the place.

 

They have families, mothers and fathers, living in the neighborhoods and homes that 18k per year can afford.

 

And?

 

Along with the debt that trying to raise kids off that will bring.

 

Gee, my parents who never made $100,000/yr combined between the two of them never seemed to have the problems that NBA players have.

 

Of course, NBA players have such poor salaries.

 

Yes, a NBA player has ALOT of expenses in his first year. House, paying off debts, furnishing said house, living on the road cost money.

 

Again, file that under "tough shit".

 

I managed to pull it off with MORE debt and LESS income.

 

Of course, I also had marketable skills outside of the ability to dribble a basketball.

 

Tossing on a additonal 20k bill when they don't get all their money at once is going to hurt.

 

Gee, those poor, hurting NBA players. We should have a telethon for them.

 

Your "woe is them" act here is actually laughable.

 

That gets filed under "tough shit".

 

Go to Men's Wearhouse where you can get 2 suits for the price you pay for one ugly-as-shit throwback.

 

THEY ARE 6'5" + 200lb + men. You ain't buying off the rack unless you are a point guard.

 

Odd, I've known tall men who didn't make a ton of money who managed to look professional.

 

Funny how that works.

 

I know, the idea of making ends meet on ONLY a couple of hundred thousand a year is truly a horrifying burden to bear...

 

Good. Let it. The NBA has every right to say "You won't make US look bad because you don't know how adults in the real world dress". They let this slide for WAY too long.

 

Except they are dressed the way people in the real world are dressed.

 

Nobody I know goes to work dressed as if they just stepped out of a police line-up.

 

If a NBA player wasn't tall you couldn't pick him out a crowd. Pick another argument.

 

Hmm, I have never seen anybody dress on the way to work the way those petulant snots do.

 

I don't see NFL players dressed like thugs. Ditto MLB players.

 

Mike, you don't know what a thug looks like.

 

Apparently, that is a problem you might possess, not I.

 

You know what wardrobe dresses them like on Law and Order so cut the crap.

 

I forgot. Nobody knows "street" quite like you, eh? How dare anybody dare question you on that, eh?

 

BTW, never seen an episode of "Law and Order", not that it is easy to miss one

 

Most NFL and MLB players wouldn'y pass the NBA's dress code.

 

Most would, actually.

 

God knows that THUG Brett Farve needs to stop thuggin it.

 

Yes, I'm the one who doesn't know what thugs look like.

 

BWA HA HA HA!

 

And man, that Marino and Montana, they sure were some thuged out thugs back in their day. That thug ass Chipper Jones just needs to be thrown in jail. They AREN'T WEARING SUITS FOR CHRIST SAKE. THEY AREN'T REPRESENTING THE REAL WORLD!!!

 

You could wear khakis and button down shirts. Which you can buy for friggin' 50 bucks if you know where to look.

 

Again, I know, those poor mistreated nearly-millionaires have lives far more brutal than anybody else.

 

[And there will be people who proclaim racism in the sheer concept that a professional image is something to be desired. They, too, are fucking idiots.

 

Okay, then there are alot of stupid people.

 

Wow. something I can agree with you on. Miracles do happen.

 

You mean besides the fact that the FANS DON'T REPRESENT THE LEAGUE AND AREN'T EMPLOYED BY THE LEAGUE?

 

Aren't they supposed to be connecting with the fans since they, you know, keep the league running and all?

 

Ripper, I'd be embarrassed to use this argument BACK WHEN I WAS IN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL. Jesus Christ, pretend like you have a clue for a moment, would you?

 

If you are trying to say "wearing a sports jersey while not on the court is sloppy looking" you don't see how that is quite hyporcitical to SELL the exact thing they are telling the players NOT to wear?

 

No, wearing that shit WHILE REPRESENTING THE LEAGUE is sloppy and juvenile.

 

Do you need a pack of flash cards to follow the logic here?

 

Thats like Coke having a company policy that says you can't drink soda because its unhealthy.

 

No, it'd be like Coke requiring their deliverymen to wear uniform.

 

Which, mind you, they do have to do.

 

Yes, that is EXACTLY what they're saying. You NAILED them.

 

Of course, those same fans have to dress like adults in their everyday real life.

 

'Bout damned time the NBA made their players do the same

 

You don't have the slightest idea what those fans dress like in their real lives.

 

Hint: Not in doo rags. Not in baggy shorts. If you wear that representing an entity, you should be shit-canned.

 

And once again...the whole ADULT thing. They are dressed like adults.

 

If by "adult" you mean "petulant juvenile", then yes, quite accurate.

 

They just don't dress like you, who I believe you once described your style of dress Foley like(it could have been Frigid whatshis face so I apologize in advanced if it was).

 

Ripper, your knowledge of me is only matched by your logic.

 

Both are quite negative, mind you.

 

Really stupid policy sez I. The NBA is now home of the dumbest age limit policy and the dumbest dress code policy in American sports. Way to go Commish.

 

Hmm, sagging ratings. Sagging attendance. Yup, no need to fix anything.

 

David Stern took over the league and had this bold idea to start marketing individual stars instead of entire teams. THAT is the NUMBER ONE knock on the NBA today.

 

Funny, I'd say it's a shitty product and unlikeable players.

 

And I bet if you fixed the problems I have, they'd do a lot better.

 

not what the guy wore to the arena, not what he is wearing while hurt, not what he is wearing when he is on the plane, its the fact that the leauge turned into a one on one game because the kids that came up watching Sterns league believed that the individual was greater than the team...just like Stern marketed it. So when the old league stars retired (Bird, Jordan, Magic) people didn't tune in anymore. The ratings are sagging because Stern fucked the league up. And putting people in a suit isn't going to change what he did to the NBA.

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Yes, it was Stern's fault that players took petulant children, gave morons millions, and all the crap fell apart.

 

which goes back to me saying this is a stupid policy. that is a dumb line of thought, held by dumb people, so how can this be anything but dumb if it is made to appease them?

 

No, the idiots are the people crying tears for the ability of people making MUCH more than them being unable to afford a suit or two.

 

Again, it's not marketing that has made the NBA a DISTANT 2nd. It's that most fans DON'T LIKE the players whatsoever.

 

Also, if Mark Cuban wants the players representing him and his team to dress casually, who is David Stern to say otherwise?

 

They're playing on the NBA's court, not their own. They don't have that power.

 

You know Mike, I was with you on a lot of your arguments about the dress

code, but not here. I've seen just as many MLB and especially NFL players dressed just like NBA players do. I am not sure if you just choose to see all NBA players a certain way, but don't sit here and lie and say that MLB and NFL players don't dress the same way because you will see the same doo rags, gold and/or platinum chains, and sunglasses and headphones that you do in the NBA. Your bias against basketball really shines out in this particular statement.

 

I don't see it to NEARLY the degree I see in that shit league's children.

 

And my quote tags are correct and I'm not about to go back re-do all of this, so this is how it looks.

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I'm just getting sick of guys like Stephen Jackson playing the race card all the time.

 

"I can't wear my favorite clothing at work anymore, That's Racist."

 

"Some guy of a different racial background threw a beer at a teammate, then I ran in the stands and punched someone that didn't throw the beer in their face. How come I got suspended?? That's Racist."

 

"Age limits for enterting the NBA, That's Racist."

 

"Commissioner Stern is white and wears suits and he wants me to, That's Racist."

 

No little Stephen, he's trying to separate the image of his league from all of the street ball leagues and that are popping up on tv. He is trying to make a clear-cut impression on his customers that his league is the best place to play basketball in the world.

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What's funny is that where I work (University of Oregon) not a single person among the 100 or so in our department (professors and grad students combined) wear a suit and tie when teaching class or around the office. I've taught class wearing a Dallas Cowboys jersey. Heck, I once taught class wearing full skin-tight USPS cycling gear because I was late and didn't have time to "change" (meaning stop at my office and throw a pair of casual shorts and a t-shirt over my form-fitting lycra jersey).

 

I guess no one here dresses "like an adult" and it's not "the real world" because we don't wear dress clothes, jackets, and actually have the gall to think that sport shoes are acceptable footwear (of course, I typically go even further, wearing Chacos with no socks most days).

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I'm just getting sick of guys like Stephen Jackson playing the race card all the time.

 

"I can't wear my favorite clothing at work anymore, That's Racist."

 

"Some guy of a different racial background threw a beer at a teammate, then I ran in the stands and punched someone that didn't throw the beer in their face. How come I got suspended?? That's Racist."

 

"Age limits for enterting the NBA, That's Racist."

 

"Commissioner Stern is white and wears suits and he wants me to, That's Racist."

 

No little Stephen, he's trying to separate the image of his league from all of the street ball leagues and that are popping up on tv. He is trying to make a clear-cut impression on his customers that his league is the best place to play basketball in the world.

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If you're listening to Stephen Jackson as the voice of the NBA...god damn.

 

...and yes, there's a precedent for ignorant statements young AND old when it comes to the history of the NBA, so please no "high school attitude" argument.

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What's funny is that where I work (University of Oregon) not a single person among the 100 or so in our department (professors and grad students combined) wear a suit and tie when teaching class or around the office. I've taught class wearing a Dallas Cowboys jersey. Heck, I once taught class wearing full skin-tight USPS cycling gear because I was late and didn't have time to "change" (meaning stop at my office and throw a pair of casual shorts and a t-shirt over my form-fitting lycra jersey).

 

I guess no one here dresses "like an adult" and it's not "the real world" because we don't wear dress clothes, jackets, and actually have the gall to think that sport shoes are acceptable footwear (of course, I typically go even further, wearing Chacos with no socks most days).

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WHAT?

 

Academia employees dress like juveniles?

 

What next? Water is wet?

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What's funny is that where I work (University of Oregon) not a single person among the 100 or so in our department (professors and grad students combined) wear a suit and tie when teaching class or around the office. I've taught class wearing a Dallas Cowboys jersey. Heck, I once taught class wearing full skin-tight USPS cycling gear because I was late and didn't have time to "change" (meaning stop at my office and throw a pair of casual shorts and a t-shirt over my form-fitting lycra jersey).

 

I guess no one here dresses "like an adult" and it's not "the real world" because we don't wear dress clothes, jackets, and actually have the gall to think that sport shoes are acceptable footwear (of course, I typically go even further, wearing Chacos with no socks most days).

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WHAT?

 

Academia employees dress like juveniles?

 

What next? Water is wet?

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So the only thing that isn't "juvenile" is the narrow outfit definition that Corporate America has decided is acceptable?

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Just to voice my opinion - yes, the dress code should be in effect, just severely scaled down. If the dress code is limited to press conferences and players not in uniform sitting on the bench, I'm all for it.

 

The additional rules implemented are ridiculous and hypocritical.

[Guest MikeSC]

What's funny is that where I work (University of Oregon) not a single person among the 100 or so in our department (professors and grad students combined) wear a suit and tie when teaching class or around the office. I've taught class wearing a Dallas Cowboys jersey. Heck, I once taught class wearing full skin-tight USPS cycling gear because I was late and didn't have time to "change" (meaning stop at my office and throw a pair of casual shorts and a t-shirt over my form-fitting lycra jersey).

 

I guess no one here dresses "like an adult" and it's not "the real world" because we don't wear dress clothes, jackets, and actually have the gall to think that sport shoes are acceptable footwear (of course, I typically go even further, wearing Chacos with no socks most days).

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WHAT?

 

Academia employees dress like juveniles?

 

What next? Water is wet?

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So the only thing that isn't "juvenile" is the narrow outfit definition that Corporate America has decided is acceptable?

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Yes, it's corporate America. Not almost every job on Earth.

 

You are aware that college ain't exactly the real world, right? Must be nice to have a job where producing anything is not even remotely needed.

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Call it tiresome and trite all you want. I don't care. It's the corporate world and its called adulthood. Welcome to it.

 

When I show up to work and stroll into the office wearing flip-flops and a wife beater I might as well clean my desk out right away.

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You also don't work wearing a basketball jersey, do you?

 

People who work wearing jerseys, using jerseys while not on the court....BLASHPEMY!

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No I don't work wearing a basketball jersey. I am not a basketball player. If I did come in to the office in a Golden State throw back they would ask what are you doing? But since they are basketball players it’s ok to break a set corporate dress code? Since they are basketball players they should have a god given right to wear jerseys everywhere? Ok that's fine. I wouldn't care at all if they would be hurt on the bench yet still dressed in their uniform to support the team. But why do they need to wear 1982 Denver throwback jersey when they play for the Suns? Why do they need to wear jerseys when showing up to the game? Are they worried about the game starting early and they need to be in basketball attire? Do they get that sweaty and hot that they need to wear the loose fitting jerseys because of heat related issues? I don't think so. They still work for a company and have to following the procedures set by that company if they so choose to remain with the company. Is a shirt and tie THAT terrifying? Grow up guys. You are adults

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I have to laugh at the idea of pro sports being "the corporate world". I guess movie stars should all wear suits when they are on the set but not filming as well right?

 

And I guess all the people working for companies in Silicon valley and so on with casual dress codes arn't adults either.

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What's funny is that where I work (University of Oregon) not a single person among the 100 or so in our department (professors and grad students combined) wear a suit and tie when teaching class or around the office. I've taught class wearing a Dallas Cowboys jersey. Heck, I once taught class wearing full skin-tight USPS cycling gear because I was late and didn't have time to "change" (meaning stop at my office and throw a pair of casual shorts and a t-shirt over my form-fitting lycra jersey).

 

I guess no one here dresses "like an adult" and it's not "the real world" because we don't wear dress clothes, jackets, and actually have the gall to think that sport shoes are acceptable footwear (of course, I typically go even further, wearing Chacos with no socks most days).

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That's fine that you do not have a set dress code in your school. I bet your basketball team, however wears certain attire on and during game day that their coaching staff tells them to wear. You can wear whatever you want if you have no enforced dress code. Who cares. The issue is in the NBA there is a dress code now. The players have to follow it instead of trying to fight it by calling it racist. Would you be angry if the University decided it wanted its staff to look more professional and required its professors and graduate students to wear more formal attire? Maybe you would. In the end, does it really matter at all? You are still there to perform your job that you are paid to do. The point is that if your higher ups want you to do something because they think it will benefit the organization and its customers, you do it. They know a little bit more than you about what type of impact they are going for with the procedure change.

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No, they don't look professional, but that is their company's decision.

 

The NBA made it's decision.

 

You can bemoan the cruelty if you wish.

 

BTW, ever notice that movie stars tend to look PRESENTABLE when they ARE PROMOTING THEIR MOVIES?

 

There is a reason for that.

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No I don't work wearing a basketball jersey. I am not a basketball player. If I did come in to the office in a Golden State throw back they would ask what are you doing? But since they are basketball players it’s ok to break a set corporate dress code? Since they are basketball players they should have a god given right to wear jerseys everywhere? Ok that's fine. I wouldn't care at all if they would be hurt on the bench yet still dressed in their uniform to support the team. But why do they need to wear 1982 Denver throwback jersey when they play for the Suns? Why do they need to wear jerseys when showing up to the game? Are they worried about the game starting early and they need to be in basketball attire? Do they get that sweaty and hot that they need to wear the loose fitting jerseys because of heat related issues? I don't think so. They still work for a company and have to following the procedures set by that company if they so choose to remain with the company. Is a shirt and tie THAT terrifying? Grow up guys. You are adults
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1. They wear a suit and tie to the NBA draft; in fact, they actually look forward to that. In a professional setting, with their parents, coaches and friends all looking on in anticipation of seeing their career decided. The future players have no complaints.

2. They wear a suit and tie when sitting on the end of the bench with an injury. If it means that much to support the team and the league by lending advice to the other players as a coach would, the NBA'ers are happy to do it. Again, no complaints.

Do you see a difference between the "professional" setting and "casual" setting of the league? Who gives a rip if they're wearing a throwback jersey when they're coming off of the bus? In what professional setting are headphones allowed to be worn AT ALL?

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What's funny is that where I work (University of Oregon) not a single person among the 100 or so in our department (professors and grad students combined) wear a suit and tie when teaching class or around the office. I've taught class wearing a Dallas Cowboys jersey. Heck, I once taught class wearing full skin-tight USPS cycling gear because I was late and didn't have time to "change" (meaning stop at my office and throw a pair of casual shorts and a t-shirt over my form-fitting lycra jersey).

 

I guess no one here dresses "like an adult" and it's not "the real world" because we don't wear dress clothes, jackets, and actually have the gall to think that sport shoes are acceptable footwear (of course, I typically go even further, wearing Chacos with no socks most days).

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That's fine that you do not have a set dress code in your school. I bet your basketball team, however wears certain attire on and during game day that their coaching staff tells them to wear. You can wear whatever you want if you have no enforced dress code. Who cares. The issue is in the NBA there is a dress code now. The players have to follow it instead of trying to fight it by calling it racist. Would you be angry if the University decided it wanted its staff to look more professional and required its professors and graduate students to wear more formal attire? Maybe you would. In the end, does it really matter at all? You are still there to perform your job that you are paid to do. The point is that if your higher ups want you to do something because they think it will benefit the organization and its customers, you do it. They know a little bit more than you about what type of impact they are going for with the procedure change.

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We'd tell them to fuck off because they can't enforce shit without having us agree to it in our Collective Bargaining Agreement first.

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Just to voice my opinion - yes, the dress code should be in effect, just severely scaled down. If the dress code is limited to press conferences and players not in uniform sitting on the bench, I'm all for it.

 

The additional rules implemented are ridiculous and hypocritical.

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I am all for that. They do not need to all wear $900 tailored suits. Just nice clothing that makes it look like they didn't roll out of bed and showed up to the game because they aren't playing. A perfect example of that is find any picture of Eddie Robinson from 2 to 3 years ago sitting on the Chicago Bulls bench. Most times, it was obvious that he just threw on whatever he wore the night before out partying.

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What's funny is that where I work (University of Oregon) not a single person among the 100 or so in our department (professors and grad students combined) wear a suit and tie when teaching class or around the office. I've taught class wearing a Dallas Cowboys jersey. Heck, I once taught class wearing full skin-tight USPS cycling gear because I was late and didn't have time to "change" (meaning stop at my office and throw a pair of casual shorts and a t-shirt over my form-fitting lycra jersey).

 

I guess no one here dresses "like an adult" and it's not "the real world" because we don't wear dress clothes, jackets, and actually have the gall to think that sport shoes are acceptable footwear (of course, I typically go even further, wearing Chacos with no socks most days).

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That's fine that you do not have a set dress code in your school. I bet your basketball team, however wears certain attire on and during game day that their coaching staff tells them to wear. You can wear whatever you want if you have no enforced dress code. Who cares. The issue is in the NBA there is a dress code now. The players have to follow it instead of trying to fight it by calling it racist. Would you be angry if the University decided it wanted its staff to look more professional and required its professors and graduate students to wear more formal attire? Maybe you would. In the end, does it really matter at all? You are still there to perform your job that you are paid to do. The point is that if your higher ups want you to do something because they think it will benefit the organization and its customers, you do it. They know a little bit more than you about what type of impact they are going for with the procedure change.

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We'd tell them to fuck off because they can't enforce shit without having us agree to it in our Collective Bargaining Agreement first.

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Example #456,789,213 why unions are utterly useless.

 

Thank God they're becoming more and more rare.

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I bet your basketball team, however wears certain attire on and during game day that their coaching staff tells them to wear.

 

No. Even in college, it's the same way. They wear warm-ups (locker room, practice, walking around) when asked, wear suits or dress shirts (press conferences, injured players) when asked, but no one is told what to wear. The one game you're told to dress up for is the school homecoming.

 

You can wear whatever you want if you have no enforced dress code. Who cares. The issue is in the NBA there is a dress code now.

 

So, what's the argument? That's just a fact. We're arguing about the validity of the dress code, aren't we?

 

The players have to follow it instead of trying to fight it by calling it racist.

 

Stephen Jackson called it racist. My goodness, Stephen Jackson would call childbirth racist.

 

Would you be angry if the University decided it wanted its staff to look more professional and required its professors and graduate students to wear more formal attire?

 

When they're asked to perform, or when their performance can be easily scrutinized, a dress code should be enforced.

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I can't believe this irrelevant, infantile argument has generated the most activity in this thread in recent memory. Kudos, TSM Sports Folder!

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When they're asked to perform, or when their performance can be easily scrutinized, a dress code should be enforced.

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Does a person's mathematical ability improve because they are wearing dress clothes? If anything, the students feel more comfortable having us dress and act in a casual manner.

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When they're asked to perform, or when their performance can be easily scrutinized, a dress code should be enforced.

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Does a person's mathematical ability improve because they are wearing dress clothes? If anything, the students feel more comfortable having us dress and act in a casual manner.

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No, but I'd take a professor wearing a hat and a t-shirt (or even a throwback, like you mentioned) less seriously, but I guess that's just me.

 

Again, dress codes should be enforced, but in a professional setting. Teaching in front of 500 students is a professional setting. So is performing in front of 25,000 fans who paid to see you. Getting off of a one hour bus ride, after a five-hour flight, shouldn't leave room for us to criticize what they're wearing.

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When they're asked to perform, or when their performance can be easily scrutinized, a dress code should be enforced.

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Does a person's mathematical ability improve because they are wearing dress clothes? If anything, the students feel more comfortable having us dress and act in a casual manner.

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No, but I'd take a professor wearing a hat and a t-shirt (or even a throwback, like you mentioned) less seriously, but I guess that's just me.

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You'd be a really poor student then. I take my professors seriously because I am deferrent to their expertise and mental acumen, not their wardrobes.

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You'd be a really poor student then. I take my professors seriously because I am deferrent to their expertise and mental acumen, not their wardrobes.

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Of course I'd be deferring to their judgment for their knowledge and expertise. Has your professor mentioned his wardrobe (or lack thereof) to the class, in a light-hearted manner? Has he cleared it with the department chair, or have they come down on him for it?

 

If you're going to brace yourself for Dr. Jack Ramone coming in a regular t-shirt and basketball shorts, I guess it would be easy. But if I'm walking into a classroom on my first day and see this guy, I'm going to be wondering aloud "...and THAT's my professor?"

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Amidst all of this, let's not forget that the NFL's dress code PROHIBITS coaches from looking like mature professional men. ph34r teh Belichick cutoff-sleeved hoodie!

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Amidst all of this, let's not forget that the NFL's dress code PROHIBITS coaches from looking like mature professional men. ph34r teh Belichick cutoff-sleeved hoodie!

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The NFL's dress code for coaches is dumb but at least they are being forced to advertise their team's product and not conform to some stereotypical dress code. I'd say it would be reasonable to tell players "if you want to wear a jersey/cap it must be that of your current team".

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If you, as a league, want to make money, you'd better have players a lot of people give a shit about. God knows the game is so tedious that it won't suck people in.

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Whose jersey is consistently the best selling? AI

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Also, if Mark Cuban wants the players representing him and his team to dress casually, who is David Stern to say otherwise? He doesn't pay their salaries, Mark Cuban does. The Dallas Mavericks, not the NBA, are the employer of those players.

 

Personally, I'm waiting for the first player to get a custom-designed dress shirt that is form fitting, with stencil-on gold chains around the neck and tattoos on the arms.

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I was watching some special on the Mavs one time and Dirk had on these awesome red velvet pants.

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If you, as a league, want to make money, you'd better have players a lot of people give a shit about. God knows the game is so tedious that it won't suck people in.

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Whose jersey is consistently the best selling? AI

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And their ratings are...what? What, not great? Stunning. Considering that TV revenue is a massive part of their revenue stream, might be important.