Your fave's flaws?

[Guest kane3212321]

I rewatched last years King Of The Ring and the character Kurt played in his match against Shane was incredible, he seemed so aggressive, the part when he got in olympic postion and yelled at shane was fantastic

[Guest Coffin Surfer]

"Misawa--over reliance on the forearm.  Not enough emotion in the ring

 

Kawada--needs a more high-powered offense

 

Kobashi--knee injuries have slowed him down.  Over reliance on head-dropping."

 

Misawa's elbows ownz, and he shows a lot of emotion.  But than he again, he suspose to be the cool and confident vet.  I'd say his biggest weakness, is occasional lack of selling. And he is a bit selfish at times, sometimes actually sacrificing the story of the match to look good.  

 

See his 1/20/97 match against Kobashi as a great example of this.  Don't get me wrong an amazing ****1/2to 3/4 match.  But notice how Kobashi's plan seemed to be to take away Misawa's weapons.  He worked Misawa's ribs to take away the Frog Splash.  Misawa hit's the frog splash a few minutes later without selling the ribs.  Later, Kobashi works over Misawa's arm, to take away the elbows.  Misawa shakes it off, and starts elbowing away again. Meanwhile Kobashi, just gets a clothesline blocked and he sells the arm like he's dying.  

 

He actaully out souled Misawa's injury during a mere transition sequence. Goes to show you who the better worker really is.  

 

Kawada with a weak offense? stiff ass Yakuza Kicks, Backdrop Drivers, folding Powerbomb, a Fucking Sheerdrop Powerbomb, a Fucking Sheerdrop Brainsbuster that looks like it kills people.  Have your ever watched a goddamn Kawada match.  I'am sorry but comments like that pisses me off.

 

Kawada's biggest weakness is he is a bit slow and low key.  So he's mostly tough to get into, unless you understand the story he's telling in the ring. But thats why I love him.  Cut the crap, and just wrestle.  

 

Kobashi-agreed.  But he didn't start doing the head dropping thing until late in his career(when injuries slowed him down.)  But to be honest Misawa relies more on head dropping than Kobashi(Tiger Driver 91, Tiger Suplex, German Suplex, Tiger Suplex 85.)  .

[Guest]

For those who complain about Angle's current lack of intensity, might I point out that this is nothing new. Kurt's "dangerous dork" has been coming and going for a year now. (I fondly recall him making the Godfather tap cleanly in 45 seconds back in February.) When it's decided to put Angle back in the title hunt, he'll be the World's Most Dangerous Dork again. I find both facets of Angle's character entertaining.

 

Still, Anglesault's claiming Kurt has no credibility left is completely absurd and baseless.

[Guest TheHulkster]

Hogan--my 81 year old grandfather moves faster.  Plus, who gave him that stupid helmet?

THE HELMET IS ALIVE! If you skim through the Hulkamania special edition magazine, he is sitting in a recliner in his trophy room (I think, I haven't got the magazine yet, i'm going to pick it up this weekend). It's right there next to him. I marked out when I seen it.

[Guest evenflowDDT]

The main problem with Raven is that he hasn't been allowed to create a consistent character in the WWE.  Someone mentioned it earlier - he's had a great match with Rhyno (best Hardcore Title defense ever in my humble, biased opinion) but that's it.  He needs a lasting feud, or at least the opportunity for his intelligent/depressed rambling promos.  I know that's what attracted me to him, and he never gets to do any of those in the WWE, with the possible exception of the recent ordeal with Lawler that I missed.  He also gets to show some intelligent commentary on HeAT, but no really great angles/promos.  I admit that as much as I like Raven, he doesn't really bring anything new in the ring during his WWE matches.

[Guest saturnmark4life]

Perry Saturn changes his moveset a little too often

Jericho fucks up stuff quite a bit (though he's improved A LOT this year)

Mutoh doesn't sell

Booker does too many chinlocks

Austin doesn't job

Rock's sharpshooter is gay

Can't judge brock until he's had a proper match really (with RVD) but he needs a couple more moves

Regal doesn't gel with anyone

yet i love all these guys. I find it hard to pinpoint flaws with:

Angle

Christian

Benoit

Kawada

Gran Naniwa

[Guest caboose]

My main problem with anyone in the WWF remains as it has for a long time with StoneCold matches.

Unless Austin is working with someone he wants to, he works half-heartedly and his matches suck.

From what I can see he only like working matches with Taker(even though they suck), Triple H, Rocky and Angle. Now he apparently wants to work with Guerrero so we will get Austin 1996-2001 back.

But it won't matter squat to me if he works like a bum against everyone else.

Against Hall, Jericho, Flair and Show he worked like he was asleep and didn't care.

It's one thing to not want to work with someone, but it's another thing to downgrade your perfromance because you don't want to be there.

Chris Benoit knows he is the best worker in the WWF but when he wrestled B.Gunn at Armageddon2000, he still put in 110%.

Why can't Austin do this?

[Guest alfdogg]

I remember Michael Cole marking out for the dog poop, too.  It was fuckin funny.

 

Anyway...

 

Austin:  Limited moveset nowadays, but I think that goes with being unmotivated (I know it's been said a lot).  I mean, the guy was FOURTH FROM THE FUCKING BOTTOM at Judgment Day.  Also, his character has mainly been based around him getting drunk and saying What.  We need the 1997 Austin back.

 

Angle:  I won't go so far as to say he has no credibility, but there is no excuse for his position on the card right now.  I agree with whoever said he should just be the pissed-off bald guy.  If I'm writing Smackdown, I have Angle come out last night with some jobber and just beat the hell out of them, and do the gimmicked boot thing ala Scotty 2 Hotty.  If they really ARE feuding him with Maven, which I doubt, they could do it with Al Snow, since he isn't doing anything anyway.  Also, he does rely on punch-kick a lot.  And he should actually HIT the Anglesault once in a while.  The moonsault, that is.

 

Jericho:  He has improved on his spot blowing, but he could still stand to go to a more mat-based style.  And get a new finisher, besides the Breakdown.  The Death Valley Driver hasn't been used in a while.  And then, of course, there's those three matching letters...

 

RVD:  WAY to spotty.  Still, as people put it, blows his load to early.  Has probably blown more spots than anyone else I will put on this list, and his forearms do look very weak.  Offense is mainly kicks and flips, and of course the five-star.  He should use the fisherman's buster, I think.  I don't know, I couldn't think of any other moves that would look believable coming from him.

 

Rock:  Sharpshooter sucks, his catch-the-opponent-coming-off-the-ropes-and-throw-them move (I refuse to call it a belly-to-belly) sucks, he is kind of sloppy.  No long-term selling, he could get hit by a train and nip up in ten seconds.  I don't dog on him nearly as much as I used to because of the comment he made about HHH on that ESPN show.

 

Benoit:  Needs a mouthpeice.  AA would be the best, but I personally didn't see anything wrong with him being with Shane.  But if he does go with AA, does that put him in the NWO?  That's all I can think of.

 

Eddy:  Should just use his regular voice, like someone said earlier.  And what is "Splash Mountain?"  Is it that Razors Edge into powerbomb pin move he uses as his special on No Mercy?

 

Booker:  Too many chinlocks.  Injury prone.  Black (I'm not racist, but some people on here have said that is a big reason).

 

Storm:  See Benoit.  A classic case of creative having their heads up their asses.

 

One more thing:

 

Anglesault, I agree with most things you say, but I have a question.  Kurt appears to be happy about working with Edge.  So if he's happy, shouldn't you be?

[Guest papacita]

For those who say X-Pac wouldn't get cheers as a face...remember it was his return in 98 that turned DX face as a whole. IMO, he was THE most popular member of DX, and was even more popular in the months following WMXV thanks to his team with Kane.

 

As far as last year's face turn during Invasion...yes it happened, although they didn't do much to try and get the fans to cheer him. The most blatant thing I remember them doing was at the Raw in Philly last year when Kidman came up on the TitanTron and badmouthed the Sixers right before their title for title match...and X-Pac still got booed. Maybe if they actually put something behind an X-Pac face push, he could get over, but I definitely wouldn't count that Invasion stuff against him.

[Guest caboose]

AngleSault won't be happy until Angle is the Champ, and Test is pronounced the anti-christ.

[Guest Spaceman Spiff]

Booker:  Too many chinlocks.  Injury prone.  Black (I'm not racist, but some people on here have said that is a big reason).

If I'm not mistaken, Booker hasn't had any significant injuries since coming into the WWE.  The last significant one was back in WCW, cracked sternum I believe.  And that was what, 2 years ago.  Where does the "injury prone" stigma come from?

We need the 1997 Austin back.

Hell, he doesn't need to go back that far.  2001 Austin would be fine w/ me.

[Guest]

They would NEVER buy XPac as a face.

Oh? No shit? I guess you don't remember D-X, or even when he was teaming with Kane...

[Guest TheyCallMeMark]

Angle - Has lost credibility for beign a title contender big time through his joke persona (although the elevation he gave Edge was probably worth it). But in giving Edge the rub, Angle has built up brilliant amounts of heel heat. Not being a booker, I don't know what works, but whatever does needs to be applied when they're done elevating Edge to make Angle a serious character again so he can run with the title once more before the Olympics. Lastly, though it's minor, I think he should maybe do a little more wrestling as his whole gimmick is a two time Olympic gold medalist.

 

Jericho - Though he is probably the best storyteller (Did he just have a watchable match with Mark Henry? I think so.) on SmackDown! right now, his offense is weak as hell. The arm slaps look pretty weak as far as I'm concerned, and that's more or less his only offensive move. I have never though moonsaults onto lying opponents were very good, particularly because they take so long to set up. And I honestly don't think they have high enough impact to be beleiveable. So many people escape the walls of Jericho it's barley credible.

 

Tajiri - He's great in the ring, and fun to watch, but his matches never tell a story. In my opinion he should stick to those wicked kicks, and center his offense around them. They look high impact and very beleiveable, so I think he could definatly get away with it. Also, it would allow more psychology in his matches that would be easier to bring out and tell a story (i.e. his opponent could work his legs as much as possible, often taking risks to do so, while Tajiri could try to be finishing the match before his opponent could work his legs too hard).

 

Hurricane - Needs to lose the stupid chokeslam things. Hurricane's character, though a comedic one, could easily be made to have credibiltiy as a fighter if he just dropped the stupid thing. Though it's trying to be, the crowd doesn't care about it like they do The People's Elbow, The Spinaroonie or the Worm.

 

I don't get to watch RAW hence the absence of RVD, Kane, Eddie and Booker T though I'd love to do them.

[Guest Redhawk]

They would NEVER buy XPac as a face.

Oh? No shit? I guess you don't remember D-X, or even when he was teaming with Kane...

I understand X-Pac was very over as a face back then, but I think he's so far gone on the "hated" side today that he can never turn face again. X-Pac's whole babyface appeal was that he had heart, was cocky but not too cocky, and had "spunk" as JR would say. But given what's happened to his character from the time he turned on Kane in 1999 to now, no one would buy a face turn.

[Guest dreamer420]

I was watching Raw is Owen last night and when X-Pac comes out for his match he  has easily one of the top three pops on the show.  He was so over during the DX days, that I think the WWF tried to recreate that with the X-Factor but failed due to Albert being in the group.  I know X-Pac still has the ability to work, but he seems to only put the effort forward in big matches, which he doesn't get a whole lot of.  The last feud of X-Pac's that I really enjoyed was his one with Jericho that lead to a huge cage match I believe.  After Austin is done with Eddie, let him feud with X-Pac and get him working his ass off again.

[Guest gusmahler]

"Misawa--over reliance on the forearm.  Not enough emotion in the ring

 

Kawada--needs a more high-powered offense

 

Kobashi--knee injuries have slowed him down.  Over reliance on head-dropping."

 

Misawa's elbows ownz, and he shows a lot of emotion.  But than he again, he suspose to be the cool and confident vet.  I'd say his biggest weakness, is occasional lack of selling. And he is a bit selfish at times, sometimes actually sacrificing the story of the match to look good.  

 

See his 1/20/97 match against Kobashi as a great example of this.  Don't get me wrong an amazing ****1/2to 3/4 match.  But notice how Kobashi's plan seemed to be to take away Misawa's weapons.  He worked Misawa's ribs to take away the Frog Splash.  Misawa hit's the frog splash a few minutes later without selling the ribs.  Later, Kobashi works over Misawa's arm, to take away the elbows.  Misawa shakes it off, and starts elbowing away again. Meanwhile Kobashi, just gets a clothesline blocked and he sells the arm like he's dying.  

 

He actaully out souled Misawa's injury during a mere transition sequence. Goes to show you who the better worker really is.  

 

Kawada with a weak offense? stiff ass Yakuza Kicks, Backdrop Drivers, folding Powerbomb, a Fucking Sheerdrop Powerbomb, a Fucking Sheerdrop Brainsbuster that looks like it kills people.  Have your ever watched a goddamn Kawada match.  I'am sorry but comments like that pisses me off.

 

Kawada's biggest weakness is he is a bit slow and low key.  So he's mostly tough to get into, unless you understand the story he's telling in the ring. But thats why I love him.  Cut the crap, and just wrestle.  

 

Kobashi-agreed.  But he didn't start doing the head dropping thing until late in his career(when injuries slowed him down.)  But to be honest Misawa relies more on head dropping than Kobashi(Tiger Driver 91, Tiger Suplex, German Suplex, Tiger Suplex 85.)  .

See his 1/20/97 match against Kobashi as a great example of this.  Don't get me wrong an amazing ****1/2to 3/4 match.  But notice how Kobashi's plan seemed to be to take away Misawa's weapons.  He worked Misawa's ribs to take away the Frog Splash.  Misawa hit's the frog splash a few minutes later without selling the ribs.  Later, Kobashi works over Misawa's arm, to take away the elbows.  Misawa shakes it off, and starts elbowing away again. Meanwhile Kobashi, just gets a clothesline blocked and he sells the arm like he's dying.  

 

He actaully out souled Misawa's injury during a mere transition sequence. Goes to show you who the better worker really is

I completely agree.  The 1/20 match has been pimped as the greatest match of all time, but Misawa continuing to use the arm after it being worked on for 10 minutes really bothers me.  To paraphrase Scott Keith, selling is not shaking your arm, throwing your elbow as normal, then shaking your arm again.  And I just rewatched the match again this week and I noticed Kobashi selling his arm more than Misawa.  Maybe I'm just being too nitpicky, but those elements really bother me.

 

Kawada with a weak offense? stiff ass Yakuza Kicks, Backdrop Drivers, folding Powerbomb, a Fucking Sheerdrop Powerbomb, a Fucking Sheerdrop Brainsbuster that looks like it kills people.  Have your ever watched a goddamn Kawada match.  I'am sorry but comments like that pisses me off.

Sorry to piss you off.  I guess I should have been more clear.  Yeah, Kawada does have a good offense compared to most wrestlers.  But considering his main rivalries were with wrestlers with absolutely huge movesets (Kobashi and Misawa) that makes him look lacking in comparison.  I tried to think of something bad to say about Kawada and that is what I could come up with.  Makes Kawada look pretty good.

[Guest gusmahler]

For those who complain about Angle's current lack of intensity, might I point out that this is nothing new. Kurt's "dangerous dork" has been coming and going for a year now. (I fondly recall him making the Godfather tap cleanly in 45 seconds back in February.) When it's decided to put Angle back in the title hunt, he'll be the World's Most Dangerous Dork again. I find both facets of Angle's character entertaining.

 

Still, Anglesault's claiming Kurt has no credibility left is completely absurd and baseless.

(I fondly recall him making the Godfather tap cleanly in 45 seconds back in February.) When it's decided to put Angle back in the title hunt, he'll be the World's Most Dangerous Dork again. I find both facets of Angle's character entertaining.

 

And don't forget him absolutely destroying Kane, suplexing him through the table.  They really made him look like a badass then and when he first joined the Alliance (including making Kane tap).  I also enjoy both aspects of his character.  He can be one of the funniest people in WWE, but he is also very believable as a tough guy and I don't think that is true of anyone else in the company (E.g., Edge and Booker T can be very funny, but aren't believable bad asses.  The tough guys aren't funny).

 

I agree that, when they want to put him back in the title hunt again, he will get that badass persona back as well.  Unfortunately, if he does leave to train for the Olympics, they may decide not to elevate him until he returns.

[Guest DrEvil]

Chris Jericho: His once awesome Walls of Jericho/Liontamer has become a regular ol' Boston Crab. Why?

Two things, one is the neck bent, knee in the back thing.  It caused pain and potential injury regardless of pressure applied, WWE worries about neck injury.  Second, not many (none?) main eventers are willing to tap out, so they've got to get to the ropes to break the hold (to give it at least some level of credibility).  It's too hard to get to the ropes without falling over in the Liontamer, so they made the switch.

 

 

Jericho - very lame WoJ, break out the Liontamer, "injure" someone with it making it an "illegal" hold, use it as a devastating move during a ref bump.

 

Rock - cannot apply sharpshooter properly, looks like he taking a crap when it's applied, or when he's in a submission hold

 

Angle - why stand when anglelock is applied, it's virtually impossible to pull an opponent who is kneeling, but easy if they're standing (in the world of wrestling).  This goes by my explanation above, but what kind of dumbass chooses to make life easier for their opponent.

 

Heyman - do we really need another pervert?

 

Storm - no character development that would make his golden boring monotone personality go over

 

Christian - why the crybaby heel loser rather than the insane solo-conchairto loser

[Guest Anglesault]

Still, Anglesault's claiming Kurt has no credibility left is completely absurd and baseless.

When he has to cheat to beat val venis, there is a MAJOR problem.

[Guest godthedog]

Kawada with a weak offense? stiff ass Yakuza Kicks, Backdrop Drivers, folding Powerbomb, a Fucking Sheerdrop Powerbomb, a Fucking Sheerdrop Brainsbuster that looks like it kills people.  Have your ever watched a goddamn Kawada match.  I'am sorry but comments like that pisses me off.

 

Kawada's biggest weakness is he is a bit slow and low key.  So he's mostly tough to get into, unless you understand the story he's telling in the ring. But thats why I love him.  Cut the crap, and just wrestle.  

 

Kobashi-agreed.  But he didn't start doing the head dropping thing until late in his career(when injuries slowed him down.)  But to be honest Misawa relies more on head dropping than Kobashi(Tiger Driver 91, Tiger Suplex, German Suplex, Tiger Suplex 85.)  .

 

i'm really only familiar with the work these 3 do with each other (i.e., 'best of all-japan' tapes), so bear with me:

 

i don't think kawada necessarily has a weak offense, but it is kind of bland.  his kicks rule the world, but it seems like all he does is kick, do a powerbomb, do a german suplex, & do a backdrop.  great defensive wrestler, can tell a story & wrestle like a motherfucker, but i think the offense still needs some work.

 

i think kobashi and misawa are about even when it comes to head-dropping moves.  my main problem is kobashi's no-selling.  it looks great when he does it (my favorite no-selling of any wrestler, if that counts for anything), but he does it too much.  he needs to reserve it for special occasions and not do it once (or more) in every match.

 

i find it hard to root for misawa, mainly because of his body language and facial expressions.  he isn't very animated.  i guess he's supposed to be cocky and cool, but it just doesn't look like he's always trying to win the match.  when he's hurt, he doesn't really show it in the face.  when he can't seem to get the other guy pinned, his facials don't really change.  this is why i root for kobashi whenever i watch the 2 of them fight: kobashi is INTENSE, and he's trying hard to win.

[Guest]

Austin-his half assed attempt to wrestle when he is pouting and not getting his way.

[Guest Anglesault]

Austin-his half assed attempt to wrestle when he is pouting and not getting his way.

 

Austin is right

[Guest alfdogg]

Hell, he doesn't need to go back that far.  2001 Austin would be fine w/ me.

I mean personality wise.

[Guest evenflowDDT]

Still, Anglesault's claiming Kurt has no credibility left is completely absurd and baseless.

When he has to cheat to beat val venis, there is a MAJOR problem.

And just what is wrong with Val Venis? Not only is he a porn star, he's a former IC champ!