Your fave's flaws?

[Guest AlwaysPissedOff]

Great topic.

 

Steve Austin- Like most others have said, he's insanely unmotivated right now and has been sleepwalking through all his matches. Hopefully the Eddy feud will change all that especially since he asked for it.

 

Chris Jericho- I can buy the cowardly heel persona because he's used it before, but his promos aren't all that great and his offense is pretty suspect at times. Also, as much as I hate the way he's butchered the Liontamer, it was pretty nesscessary due to the larger size of his opponents.

 

Chris Benoit- His mic skilss aren't as bad as some say, but they are not that good, either. The toothless look is VERY annoying as well, he should try and do something about that.

 

Eddy Guerrero- The accent must go NOW. Eddy, we all know you can speak proper English, dude, so start doing it again. Also, he can't seem to cut a decent promo anymore and it shows.

 

Lance Storm- Has the charisma of doggie doo. Speaks in a monotone. Has some pretty suspect offense.

 

Kurt Angle- I'd have to say that his constant persona switching(thanks for indirectly quoting me, PerfectPlex ), shitty finishers, and reliance on brawling so much.

 

The Rock- I used to didn't like the guy, but he's kinda grown on me. His Sharpshooter and that belly-to-belly are fucking AWFUL, though.

 

Christian- Generic heel who uses too many restholds and relies on cheap heat all the time.

 

Edge- His goofy persona worked as a heel with Christian, he's gotta show more of a mean streak now.

 

Test- A decent big man, but totally devoid of ANY charisma, whatsoever. Needs to find a character that connects with the fans before throwing him out to the wolves with guys like HHH.

 

Booker T- Lack of a credible finisher since the Uranage is Rock's. Comedy heel persona and joining the NWO aren't helpping things, either.

[Guest Shaved Bear]

X-Pac = Hated by marks and smarks alike.  Drugs have affected mic skills more than even RVD.  Can't seem to get over with anyone, even though he's a hard worker and decent bumper.

Dude, say what you want about X-Pac, but when he pretty much has an arena full of marks chanting "X-Pac Sucks!" that's a good sign that he's over as a heel...

good point, but the thing is, when he was even a face the marks chanted X-Pac sucks also, so he is actually hated

[Guest]

good point, but the thing is, when he was even a face the marks chanted X-Pac sucks also, so he is actually hated

Okay but even to this day you can still hear some "Rocky Sucks" chants, does that mean he's not over as a face?

 

I don't see why X-Pac is so hated now because he hasn't done anything really to get all this heat from the crowd.  And when he was in DX, he was second in popularity only to Hunter.

[Guest Hogan Made Wrestling]

"Angle-Same with Jericho and the size thing. I think Benoit breaks that barrier because he has a look that can be intimidating."

 

Come again? Not only is Angle not all that short, he doesn't look like an idiot like Jericho does since he doesn't put lifts in his boots. And most of all, Angle's body is huge, he couldn't get any more juiced up than he is now for his frame.

[Guest El Satanico]

good point, but the thing is, when he was even a face the marks chanted X-Pac sucks also, so he is actually hated

Okay but even to this day you can still hear some "Rocky Sucks" chants, does that mean he's not over as a face?

Yeah that's the thing...you can still hear SOME "Rocky sucks" now.

 

Problem is you heard nothing but "Xpac Sucks" when he was suppose to be a "face".

 

Therefore that comparison fails horribly.

[Guest]

good point, but the thing is, when he was even a face the marks chanted X-Pac sucks also, so he is actually hated

Okay but even to this day you can still hear some "Rocky Sucks" chants, does that mean he's not over as a face?

Yeah that's the thing...you can still hear SOME "Rocky sucks" now.

 

Problem is you heard nothing but "Xpac Sucks" when he was suppose to be a "face".

 

Therefore that comparison fails horribly.

I don't know, man.  I'm not just gonna come out and say you're wrong, but I missed very few shows during the DX days, and I never noticed any "X-Pac Sucks" chants, at least substantial ones.  The first time I noticed the crowd really getting on him was in late 99 when DX reunited as heels.  Before that, I always heard him getting good pops from the crowd.  But hey, who's to say I'm not just blocking out the memory as the last true Waltman mark?

[Guest Redhawk]

Lance Storm- Has the charisma of doggie doo. Speaks in a monotone. Has some pretty suspect offense.

What are you talking about? Doggie doo has loads of charisma. You saw Michael Cole mark out for THE DOG POOP, didn't ya?

[Guest]

Re: X-Pac's heat.

 

They briefly--very briefly--tried turning Waltman face early in the Invasion angle last year, during his sorta feud with Kidman. He was met mostly with apathy, but there was still the occasional "X-Pac sucks!" chant.

[Guest]

Re: X-Pac's heat.

 

They briefly--very briefly--tried turning Waltman face early in the Invasion angle last year, during his sorta feud with Kidman. He was met mostly with apathy, but there was still the occasional "X-Pac sucks!" chant.

It really didn't seem as much as a face push for X-Pac as just a "Let's Get Kidman Over By Having Him Wrestle a Guy NO ONE Likes!"

[Guest]

It really didn't seem as much as a face push for X-Pac as just a "Let's Get Kidman Over By Having Him Wrestle a Guy NO ONE Likes!"

 

No, it was a face push. It was a poor, underdeveloped one, but if you go back and look at the matches they had in July, X-Pac was trying to get the crowd on his side.

[Guest Cataclysm911]

Steve Corino - Sometimes juices when it's uncalled for. Blood should only be brought out when it adds to the match or advances the storyline. Corino is a damn good bleeder, so sometimes he blades when he don't need to.

[Guest the 1inch punch]

Waltman was appartantly extremely upset that he was the only WWF wrestler met with a negative reaction at InVasion, coupled with the face heat Kidman got

[Guest dreamer420]

Tommy Dreamer: He always used to take a vicious shot to the nuts in every match.  Thanks god he stopped doing that spot when he came to the wwe.

 

Rob Van Dam: Too popular to be in the place he currently is in.  His punches are weak looking.  I fear he will badly injure one of his legs someday too.

[Guest gusmahler]

For you puro marks:

 

Misawa--over reliance on the forearm.  Not enough emotion in the ring

 

Kawada--needs a more high-powered offense

 

Kobashi--knee injuries have slowed him down.  Over reliance on head-dropping.

 

Current WWE

 

Angle--Too much brawling.  Agree with the use of the ankle lock as a finisher when he mainly is a suplex guy.  Maybe a Steiner Recliner finisher?  And the biggest con: he is quitting wrestling to train for the Olympics.  (How about having Vince show up as his "trainer" during the Olympics, then having HHH do a run-in during the medal ceremony?)  I also agree about the character development, but that is not really his fault.

 

Benoit--I think he has good charisma.  Needs to work on mic skills.  (Charisma and mic skills are not the same.  Goldberg is described by Meltzer as having the best charisma since Sammartino, but he can't speak on the mic worth a damn).  Also needs to grow about 5 inches taller.

 

Jericho--sloppy at times

 

Austin--unmotivated.  Promos since "What?" have all been the same (basically stating: "buy my What? t-shirt").  Drinks too much :-)

 

HHH--Too small, needs to work out (just kidding).  Boring interview, needs to get his sense of humor back.  Slowed by the injury.

 

Rock--would rather make $10M a movie than entertain the Millions (. . . and Millions).  Over reliance on catch phrases in interviews.

 

Goldberg--Does not like wrestling and it shows.

 

Hogan--my 81 year old grandfather moves faster.  Plus, who gave him that stupid helmet?

 

Historical WWF

 

Bret Hart--whiny as hell and is a mark for himself.  Over reliance on the same moves (though that is the WWF style).

 

HBK--Needed more high-powered offensive moves.  Refused to job.

[Guest Anglesault]

Angle: No credibility anymore (Thanks to Edge), Don't know if he can build it back up.

[Guest]

shut the fuck up, Angle did not lose credibility thankx to Edge. I mean SERIOUSLY, shut up.

[Guest Anglesault]

He's walking around with a fake T-shirt wearing a wig and Rick Steiner head gear, getting beat up by Maven. Does he LOOK like a world title contender?

[Guest]

Why do people get so mad at Anglesault? The guy once claimed that Edge beat Angle at Backlash. He's obviously not right in the head. We should treat him like we treat all the mentally unbalanced: stare, smile and nod politely, and change the conversation.

 

Seriously, Anglesault, I have no problem with you, but you have a tendency to run a joke into the ground. Kinda like Edge.

[Guest Anglesault]

Why do people get so mad at Anglesault? The guy once claimed that Edge beat Angle at Backlash. He's obviously not right in the head. We should treat him like we treat all the mentally unbalanced: stare, smile and nod politely, and change the conversation.

 

Look at the date and time of that post: it was before Backlash (Or before their match, at least) It was a prediction formed as a statement

 

Seriously, Anglesault, I have no problem with you, but you have a tendency to run a joke into the ground

 

What joke? Angle is worse off now than he was before Edge. That's a fact.

[Guest]

Kurt Angle is the most over heel in the company, but somehow, according to you, Anglesault, he has no credibility. How is that possible?

 

And please, give me an answer more substantial than "No, he's not."

[Guest Anglesault]

He hasn't come near the WWF title except for when HHH destroyed him a couple of weeks ago. He either can't beat/gets beaten on by/needs help to beat midcarders/low carders/jobbers on a weekly basis. His whole character is a joke now.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

RVD-

 

I love the guy...have since he beat Bigelow for the tv title.  But here goes:

 

the forearm shots need to be made into punches.  The problem is that his opponent can't sell a forearm to make it look credible...but they can sell punches.

 

his spots.  I like his spots...he knows how to use them to pop the crowd (and the crowd is almost always in to his entire match regardless of opponent.  (and when you face Test...that says something))...but unless he's working a body part...his spots don't make sense.  On the other hand...at the JD match with Guerrero he used his spots to work on Eddys back...and it resulted in the best match I've seen him work.  The split legged moonsault on to the back, the shoulder thrusts in the corner into the back, his kicks into the back...it worked wonderfully.  He should try that in his matches from now on...pick a body part and refine his moveset to fit it.

 

INTENSITY.  yeah I said it.  It's not that I can't or don't buy into the idea that he wants to beat the other guy...but only on special occassions like the Taker match at Raw.  He needs to appear more focused and not look like hes thinking about setting up the next spot.

 

mic skills.  he has them.  I've seen them.  They exist.  he needs to be allowed to use them more.  If the knock on Benoit is that he can't talk...then why would you keep someone else who has Main Event potential away from the mic?  The bottom line is that mic skills can be good when your over...regardless of how much you actually say.  WHAT?  I mean...RVD's over...and everytime he does get to speak...he pops the crowd.  Isn't that half the point?  Get the crowd into it?  The other half would be put some heat on the match or angle or feud or whatever...well...if your over they listen to you.  It really is that simple.

 

Can he have a GREAT match?  I think that RVD can have a watchable match with anyone.  Hes had them with Taker, Goldust, Regal and Test...there isn't really a whole lot of people who are hard to have watchable matches with left.  Thats a plus.  BUT can he have a GREAT match?  Time will tell.  As he progresses up the card his match lengths will get longer...they'll throw in more near falls...and he should continue to adapt to the WWE "style".

 

If you look at his matches in ECW and compare them to his matches in the WWE...there really is a tremendous improvement as far as work ethic, pacing and substance.  HE still has a ways to go.

 

All that being said...Taker has the title and Hogan just did.  HHH had it before that and it was one of the worst reigns I've ever seen (1 successful defense...he pinned Steph). Before that they made Jericho clean up dog shit and be Stephs and ultimately HHH's personal bitch.  

 

So...who ISN'T ready when you look at that?

[Guest Cataclysm911]

He hasn't come near the WWF title except for when HHH destroyed him a couple of weeks ago. He either can't beat/gets beaten on by/needs help to beat midcarders/low carders/jobbers on a weekly basis. His whole character is a joke now.

Go to the other forum. No one wants to read your mindless psycho babble.

[Guest]

He hasn't come near the WWF title except for when HHH destroyed him a couple of weeks ago. He either can't beat/gets beaten on by/needs help to beat midcarders/low carders/jobbers on a weekly basis. His whole character is a joke now.

 

I think you're confusing Angle with Chris "I can't get clean wins over Mark Henry" Jericho.

 

I wanted to continue this discussion in a sensible manner, but I realize that Anglesault is incapable of having a rational argument. Oh well.

[Guest Anglesault]

No, I'm talking about Kurt "I can't get clean wins over Val Venis" Angle.

[Guest Cataclysm911]

No, I'm talking about Kurt "I can't get clean wins over Val Venis" Angle.

No Holds Barred, please.. I'm begging you.

[Guest Anglesault]

Hey someone asked my opinion on something and I gave it

[Guest]

No, I'm talking about Kurt "I can't get clean wins over Val Venis" Angle.

 

The problem I see here is that if Kurt doesn't have the top belt, what he's doing is beneath him. Val Venis is infinitely more talented than Mark Henry, so I'd rather see him CHEAT TO WIN~! or whatever with Val than with Henry (poor, poor Jericho). It appears that you would only be happy, Anglesault, with Kurt's position if he's feuding with top guys, even if it is someone you despise (Triple H). Odd.

[Guest Special K]

Does anyone think it would serve both Edge and Angle better if Angle was just a pissed off bald guy? Gives Angle some new fire, and makes Edge look more badass, instead of both being dragged into comedy again.

 

Plus, am I the only one who liked Lance Storm on the mic in WCW? They never should've broken up Hurricane and Storm. One of the only actually funny comedy angles they had, and they ditch it. C'est la Vie

[Guest Redhawk]

I agree with Anglesault. Having Kurt Angle play a dork is fine, but what happened to the "dangerous dork" character? The one who got over as a heel without cheating to beat midcarders? The one who would have destroyed someone like Maven. Remember when Kurt destroyed Spike Dudley? If this current version of Kurt fought Spike today, he'd either win by fluke or have to cheat. And if you think about it, Angle used to be more of an opportunist than a cheater (i.e the 6-way Hell in a Cell match, or when Rikishi KO'd The Rock for him).

 

Besides, if you all complain about Taker and Hogan being in the Undisputed title picture, wouldn't you WANT Angle up there instead?