Guest Report post Posted May 23, 2002 Okay how about this. (If its been done before, sue me.) What do you think is/are the worst trait(s) about your favorite wrestler or wrestlers? (Wow, lots of variables in that question!) Here's mine: HHH = VERY reduced atheletic ability since injury, sucks as face. Benoit = Almost zero mic skills (and no real chance to prove otherwise since joining the federation), struggles to get over with marks. (But is that a bad thing?) Angle = Wow, tough one. I'd have to say lack of direction as of late, and WAY too many flips from "psychotic ankle-breaker to clueless dork". (I don't remember who put it that way, so sorry for not quoting you, but it was very accurate) X-Pac = Hated by marks and smarks alike. Drugs have affected mic skills more than even RVD. Can't seem to get over with anyone, even though he's a hard worker and decent bumper. (In my eyes) Hurricane = Worst catchphrase since "I rule the world" - Sid. Can't get into decent, longlasting feud, but perhaps that will be changing soon. Dudley Boyz = No longer together. (Biggest loss of split) Bubba about to be squashed violently by Brock. D-Von doing alter boy molestor gimmick. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Redhawk Report post Posted May 23, 2002 Rhyno = Too short to be given a World title-level feud with an Undertaker, Austin, or HHH. Also an "ECW guy" which means he'll never get a shot. Booker T = 1) His grunts sound really dumb. 2) That stupid out-of-control pounding of the back thing. The Rock = Will retire soon to do movies. Looks like an idiot doing the Sharpshooter. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest y2jailbait Report post Posted May 23, 2002 Eddie Guerrero=will never be able to reach the state of his WCW heel run, and thats a bad thing to think about. I mean he WAS the top heel, he got worse heat than the NWO angle, so its hard to top that. Also, his reputation as an addict preseeds him, but that can be passed with a grain of salt. Lightweight in a heavyweight Raw Brand, but more talented than all of them combined, which could work against him as we all know in the old WWE. Jeff Jarrett=dumbest move ever was to charge money over pay per view to watch him and his promotion do monthly or weekly shows. I mean its innovative, but doomed to fail. Cant seem to shake the country hick gimmick, maybe its because he is! Hulk Hogan=old, broken down, just horrible in the ring even in his prime, too much tanning causes cancer yo! Now that i think about it, i dont think i like Hogan that much anymore. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TheHulkster Report post Posted May 23, 2002 Hogan: He sucks trying to wrestle the wwf style. He's old. The Hardys: Not as good in the ring as they were a year ago (jeff anyway). Being Lesnar's bitches hasn't exactly done them any favors either. They are horrid on the mic. Kane: His mic skills need tweaking. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RicFlairGlory Report post Posted May 23, 2002 Hurricane = Worst catchphrase since "I rule the world" - Sid. Can't get into decent, longlasting feud, but perhaps that will be changing soon. Speak for yourself. Sid RULES Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest J*ingus Report post Posted May 23, 2002 My favorite for the past few months has been Angle, and my main bitch with him is that it seems like he never uses his potential to the fullest. I mean, he's got awesome moves like that jump-up superplex, but rarely uses them. He's a world-class mat wrestler, but all too often just sticks to punching. He's got a killer big-bully finisher in the ankle lock, but he sometimes applies it so loosely that it's obvious that it couldn't possibly hurt. Plus the previous mentions of him switching randomly between goof and badass. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Raven_Effect01 Report post Posted May 23, 2002 Raven-The blonde braids and the kilt(his grunge attire looked better and more menacing at least), has been misused in his 2nd ECW stint and current WWE stint for two years. Benoit-Charismaless, bad mic skills. Jericho-Lack of direction, and because of being a victim of backstage politics from HHH, hasn't been taken seriously as a main-eventer yet because of being booked to win via interference or cheating over ANYONE(yes, even Mark Henry for crying out loud). Tazz-Commentator, lazy nowadays, is the King of Misused in WWE. Austin-Stale character, when unmotivated(like facing the nWo), just sticks with brawling instead of wrestling in his matches. When going up against Angle or Benoit(and hopefully Guerrero as seen on Raw), can be a good wrestler like he was in his earlier years. Eddy Guerrero-Cut a hard-to-understand promo last week on Raw on RVD and struggled to stay in character. Tajiri-Most of the time limited in moveset due to the WWE style of wrestling, but when allowed to go all out, he's amazing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MarvinisaLunatic Report post Posted May 23, 2002 Raven-The blonde braids and the kilt(his grunge attire looked better and more menacing at least), has been misused in his 2nd ECW stint and current WWE stint for two years. All I can think of when I see raven now is he looks like one of the Headbangers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Flyboy Report post Posted May 23, 2002 RVD's punches. Or forearm slaps... whatever you want to call them... they suck. Storm's ummm... let me get back to you on that one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Nater Report post Posted May 23, 2002 RVD - We got about 6 months or 4 top name injuries until we see him consitantly MainEventing/Strapped. Benoit - Hes not around right now, and is gonna suffer from Jerichoitis. Jericho - Glass.. oh you know, and difficulty working as a heel.. but things are looking up? Booker - He's not top notch stand up material and unfortunately Vince wants him to be. Show - (yeah yeah) hes never gonna be that unstoppable monster he should be.. maybe too many pizzas for this guy? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest caboose Report post Posted May 23, 2002 Jericho- His promos are whiny and annoying, if he talks like a Main Eventer, then maybe he'll get some respect. Austin- He hasn't even been at 25% effort since February. Triple H- Where Do I begin? RVD- Selling the impact of his own 5* FrogSplash was cool at first but it looks stupid every time he does it, and takes another 10secs to cover his opponent. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MarvinisaLunatic Report post Posted May 23, 2002 RVD- Selling the impact of his own 5* FrogSplash was cool at first but it looks stupid every time he does it, and takes another 10secs to cover his opponent. Its only stupid because Eddy and DLo dont usually do it with their Frog Splashes. To me it makes RVD's unique.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest caboose Report post Posted May 23, 2002 When it si a particularly large 5*FrogSplash then fine, or better still if RVD is selling an injury. But every frickin time? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MarvinisaLunatic Report post Posted May 23, 2002 Why not every frickin time? The move just looks better with him selling the fact that he hurt himself in the process. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest caboose Report post Posted May 23, 2002 The heat of the finish is killed when he takes time covering his opponent. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Report post Posted May 23, 2002 William Regal: Slow-paced (and dissonant) mat style, lack of that "it" move, the quick high impact pretty looking slam that makes a good finisher these days. Trish Stratus: Only has a couple of potential opponents. Also not as crisp in selling and move execution, a general problem for women wrestlers (I think it's because women never work as often as men in general; fewer of them, so their matches are more spaced out and infrequent, and most of them are "who can strip the fastest?" or some similar shit anyway. They're not in the ring as often or as long, so they're not going to be as polished). Doesn't cut great promos. Is much prettier and much more athletic (and probably smarter too) than Stephanie McMahon, which leaves her susceptible to vindictive burial booking, especially when Steph comes back to TV in a couple of months. Lance Storm: WWE audience is not conditioned for his style of promo. And by the way, if RVD sells the 5-star frog splash as hurting himself every time he does it, that's cool. But he shouldn't use it every time out. It should be his special desperation move, or something. (Of course, what other finisher-grade moves does he have right now?) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MarvinisaLunatic Report post Posted May 23, 2002 Lance Storm: WWE audience is not conditioned for his style of promo. First rule of Public Speaking is to avoid speaking in a monotone voice. Aparently Lance storm never took Public Speaking class. I dunno about you all, but I really dont want to listen to someone who speaks like that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest papacita Report post Posted May 23, 2002 I dunno what the rest of you are smoking but Chris Benoit is a GOD on the mic! Benoit: "Talk to the hand, because the man can't understand!!!" GREATEST PROMO EVER!!!!!! Anyway...here's my list... Chyna: No man is perfect...but she's not a man! RE-SIGN HER AND PUT THE TITLE ON HER NOW!!!!!!!! Tazz: More commentating than wrestling...seems to have poor stamina when he does wrestle...height makes it hard for fans to view him as a serious title threat, and the WWE does little to work around that stereotype. Jericho: Can't see too much wrong with Jericho right now...he occasionally gets sloppy and blows spots, but it hasn't happened much lately...out of all my favs he has the best chance at getting the title. Booker: FUNNIEST MAN IN WRESTLING!!!!!! Unfortunately, the comedy character has destroyed his credibility. Needs to get serious. Austin: Character is too one-dimensional...'WHAT' is stupid, no matter how much the people like to say it (if he must say it, only do it once or twice a promo cuz it's not amusing anyone but the live audience) ...slowed by injuries...matches can get repetitive with his "kick/punch" formula...he's a better heel than he is a face...just plain boring right now Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ace309 Report post Posted May 23, 2002 Lance Storm- No charisma whatsoever. None. Less than an envelope. Chris Benoit- See Lance Storm. Hurricane- Saddled with a goofy gimmick that he loves, so I don't expect to see him shed it any time soon. It affects his ring style, which is a shame. Tajiri- Always at risk of becoming just another Japanese heel. I mean, already he's basically a paintless Muta. Brock- Extremely talented at a style that wouldn't make any sense in a WWF ring and that no one who doesn't follow college wrestling would really "get." Rico- Not currrently a wrestler. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest AnnieEclectic Report post Posted May 23, 2002 Jericho - HHH is violating the booker in all the right places. Get Steph out of the role, put Shane in or something, someone who isn't sleeping with HHH. Hurricane: Needs to get a stronger feud going with someone, anyone. I love his gimmick though, no matter how silly it is. Mr. Perfect - Has become a jobber, and slowed enough to be noticable. He could've been great again.... Golddust - Just.... don't do the elvis thing again. Please. Booker T - Him and Dust could be elevating themselves, but they aren't. Doesn't seem to fit right in the nWo mold, but possibly set up for a face turn? Bubba Ray - Nothing too bad going on right now, but hoping that he has a *feud* with Lesnar, not a *oh crap, you beat me again* series. Lita - Just get healthy and back on TV! that's all I can think of right now -Annie Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Report post Posted May 23, 2002 X-Pac = Hated by marks and smarks alike. Drugs have affected mic skills more than even RVD. Can't seem to get over with anyone, even though he's a hard worker and decent bumper. Dude, say what you want about X-Pac, but when he pretty much has an arena full of marks chanting "X-Pac Sucks!" that's a good sign that he's over as a heel... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Flyboy Report post Posted May 23, 2002 When it si a particularly large 5*FrogSplash then fine, or better still if RVD is selling an injury. But every frickin time? I think he does it to show that after all the height and elevation he gets in his frog splash that it hurts him in the process. Maybe it's a way of saying, "No one gets as high as me (hee-hee) in their frog splash." Or some shit like that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Hogan Made Wrestling Report post Posted May 23, 2002 Hogan: Bad in the ring, his offense works 100X better as a heel than as a face. The Hulk Hogan character is annoying and shouldn't have been brought back, Hollywood is more interesting and more up-to-date. I'm dreading this rumoured Kid Rock version of "Real American". The Rock: Could use some work on execution of moves and long-term selling of a match. Can't work as a heel anymore because he is so good there is no one good enough as a face to go against heel Rock and not look foolish, which will just make him a face again. William Regal: Slow, methodical offense is appreciated by some (myself included) but turns off many fans. Has trouble adjusting to work with less skilled opponents. Chris Benoit: Below average mic skills (although not as bad as some people claim), Benoit has an unsightly look with the tooth gap, crappy haircut, and too-small-for-his-roided-up-body head. Kurt Angle: His finishers suck, the Angle Slam being a weak move and the Ankle Lock being poorly applied and not having any psychology for a guy whose offense is almost all suplexes (wouldn't a back-stretching submission be better?). Randy Orton: Obviously still green, he should round into shape as he gains more experience. I think he's off to a decent start. Steve Austin: Unmotivated, whiny bitch Austin is really getting on my nerves. Can't we get the 2001 Austin that produced one of the best years of any US wrestler ever? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Coffin Surfer Report post Posted May 23, 2002 William Regal-One lazy sonuvabitch. Sure, if the WWE turned him loose, stiff brawling and headdropping would be very entertaining. But it wouldn't make him a better worker. Regal always has had the potential to be one of the greatest workers in the world. Yet similar to most late 90s All Japan Heavyweights, he would rather go for the cheap pops than actually add substance and psychology to his matches. Worse, he can't even get the cheap pops, sense headropping and stiff punches are big "no nos" in the WWE. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Report post Posted May 23, 2002 Kurt Angle: Relies a little too much on punches. Chris Jericho: His once awesome Walls of Jericho/Liontamer has become a regular ol' Boston Crab. Why? Eddy Guerrero: The Spanish accent he uses in his mic work nowadays is kinda annoying. And what's all this about Benoit having zero charisma? Just 'cause the guy doesn't have a silver tongue doesn't mean shit. His ability to get a crowd to react is in his ring work, and THAT counts as charisma (see also RVD). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TheHulkster Report post Posted May 23, 2002 Benoit has a lot of charisma, but I agree that his mic skills are pretty lousy. I mean, he's pretty compelling to watch as a performer. Think Brock Lesnar or Sean O'Haire, loads of charisma, but piss poor mic skills. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest muzanisa Report post Posted May 23, 2002 HHH - It appears as if the HHH who was awesome in 2000 is never coming back. Flair - when he wrestles it should be special, not in the middle of Raw week after week. Jericho - WCW conspiracy victim Jericho was great, WWE Nick Bockwinkle Jericho is just above the mid-card. Hurricane - Love it, could turn down the campness a bit and bring back the Vertebreaker. Tajiri - Directionless and mis-used. Raven - Just give him one good feud with a M/E or a run with the I/C belt. His debut was DDT'ing Lawler and this Monday he lost by countout to Lawler. He has done nothing inbetween except have a good match with Rhyno. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Report post Posted May 23, 2002 X-Pac = Hated by marks and smarks alike. Drugs have affected mic skills more than even RVD. Can't seem to get over with anyone, even though he's a hard worker and decent bumper. Dude, say what you want about X-Pac, but when he pretty much has an arena full of marks chanting "X-Pac Sucks!" that's a good sign that he's over as a heel... I don't think that counts as over. I think they just despise him, much like the Bossman. It's different than like Angle, who is just over as a heel. The fans bought Angle as a face in mid 2001. They would NEVER buy XPac as a face. Here's my list: Tajiri-I think a majority of Japanese wrestlers do this. He tends to work at a fast pace in his matches and will often poorly sell a move in order to move on to the next spot. No other gripes for me, though. Benoit-As everyone else said, poor mic skills. But he does have in-ring charisma. Jericho-I don't want to sound like a whiny bitch, but I think it's just the fact that he is held down. Marks generally don't see him as a threat because of his size. Angle-Same with Jericho and the size thing. I think Benoit breaks that barrier because he has a look that can be intimidating. Lance Storm-A style and mic work that most marks don't buy into. I see nothing wrong with either, personally. Austin-Injuries have always plagued him. He was feuding with Hall and the Big Show. Tommy Dreamer-Injuries. RVD-Style different than most. He is conforming well, in my opinion. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Report post Posted May 23, 2002 Benoit looks like a Triple H stuck in a Billy Kidman body, so his shorter stature has never been a problem in getting him over. And I agree that X-Pac's heat is not the good kind. There's a difference between a "BOO! You're a bad guy!" and "BOO! Go away forever!" and X-Pac definitely gets the latter. Same with Stephanie. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Special K Report post Posted May 23, 2002 Austin- Great when he's motivated, not when he's not. Jericho- Offence often looks too loose. RVD- Crappy punches, still learning how to pace a match Christian- Awesome bumper, seller, talker, needs more offense Storm- Though underrated on the mike. needs to be a little more charismatic in the ring (though being a straight wrestler is his gimmick) Benoit- Crap mic skills Tajiri- Can't talk the English Edge- Learn how to cut a serious promo. Rock- GOne from wrestling, two moves I HATE (belly2belly, rockshooter) Angle- Nothing I can think of, besides his upcoming departure. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
