John Cena

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

Meltzer and Alvarez were talking about Cena on WOL just now, and about Cena's negative reactions. They talked about how maybe Cena should lose the belt so there is less resentment from the fans who hate him, because they won't hate him from being higher then they think he deserves. Alvarez thinks they should take the belt off of Cena. Meltzer also said the plan seemed to be for Cena to eventually lose the belt to Hunter at WM, but that that might not happen now.

[Kahran Ramsus 0]

Putting it back on HHH is definitely not the way to go here. Even if Cena wasn't struggling, that would have been a terrible move.

[Guest JMA]

Putting it back on HHH is definitely not the way to go here.  Even if Cena wasn't struggling, that would have been a terrible move.

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Agreed. If anything it'd be stupider to put the title on Hunter if Cena wasn't struggling.

[cabbageboy 0]

There really isn't a good way to go with this. Personally I'm thinking they need to just put the title on Angle and then go from there. They can still do Cena/HHH at WM if they want, though I'm not sure who would win that one (maybe HHH, setting up a Cena heel turn?). But if they put the title on Angle, who would he face? He's already faced Michaels and HHH both 100 times.

 

Having HHH beat Cena is a horrible idea, mainly because it's another situation where Cena would get soundly booed and on top of that buried by his opponent. I'm talking Randy Orton at RR 05 level buried here, and add in boos.

[iggymcfly 0]

I guess the real problem at this point is that they don't have any over babyfaces on the Raw roster.

 

The natural move here is to get the belt off of Cena and turn him heel, but since there's no one else to replace him as the top babyface, they're really just stuck in limbo.

 

However, if they're planning on holding off for something like RVD/Cena or HHH/Cena at WM, it's just not going to work. The fanbase won't make it that long without someone they can actually cheer for. Really, about the only solution I can think of at this point is for them to throw a couple million dollars at Brock Lesnar, have him come back as a tweener and let him destroy Cena for the belt.

[Kahran Ramsus 0]

If Lesnar's coming back it is to fight Batista.

 

But you're right about the lack of faces on RAW. The only face that I can think that would work at that level right away is Shawn Michaels. Kane could work if booked properly, but they've been burying him for years. Why would they stop now? Big Show is nothing more than a temporary solution, and he makes a better heel anyways. Shelton could have done it 6 months ago, but he's being jobbed out now. Whatever heel wins the belt is going to have nobody to feud with. Once the inevitable Michaels match is done, they'll be stuck defending against the likes of Ric Flair and...I was going to list a second guy but I can't think of any. Eugene? Viscera? Angle, HHH & Edge are terrible faces. I can't even picture them bringing Hogan or Austin in, because they'd want to win the belt. The RAW roster isn't just thin, its anorexic.

[Silence 0]

The RAW roster isn't just thin, its anorexic.

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Yet WWE moved Stacy Keibler and Christy Hemme over to Smackdown.

 

As for Cena, him losing his overness lately is exactly why WWE shouldn't keep changing good heel characters from what got them over in the first place when they turn face.

 

Since WWE's been doing this shit since either 1998 or 1999, though, I don't see it stopping anytime soon.

[Guest JMA]

I'd be against putting the WWE Championship on Michaels (maybe the World Championship if he were on SmackDown!). They need someone fresh that they can book the show around. Unfortunately, as others have said, the wrestlers that could do that aren't abundant. They basically need a new number one face and a number one heel.

[hyperchord24 0]

Putting it back on HHH is definitely not the way to go here.  Even if Cena wasn't struggling, that would have been a terrible move.

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Is there any reasonable alternative? C'mon it's always gonna be HHH's belt till the day WWE go belly up or he dies. Sure he'll job to someone he likes, but he'll always get it back.

[Lil' Bitch 0]

I wouldn't mind an Angle / Cena double turn, that'd be interesting and would make sense seeing how the crowds are reacting now.

 

But if they put the title on Angle, who would he face? He's already faced Michaels and HHH both 100 times.

 

I'd like to see Angle / Kane, that would be something new since they never really wrestled that much. I don't want to see Angle / Show again, too much of that.

[Black Lushus 0]

*sigh* they shouldn't have buried Shelton...

[cabbageboy 0]

Angle has already dicked around with Kane in the past to somewhat ok but not all that memorable results. It also doesn't help that Kane is stale as month old bread. And in the tag division at the moment.

 

Any way you wanna look at it, it's a mess. I'm telling you, when RVD gets back they ought to go for it and push him, since he'll be undboutedly over when he returns. At this point Raw just needs someone who isn't 1. Stale and 2. Actually popular as a face. Also, if Styles sticks around to announce Raw you know he'll pimp Van Dam like there's no tomorrow.

 

The Michaels idea isn't too bad either, but I'd go with Angle as a temporary fix since he's already feuding with Cena and Michaels just lost at Taboo Tuesday. I'm not 100% how HHH would fit into this...I know he'll want the title again at some point but unless they go with the ill advised HHH/Cena match there's not a real storyline with him in contention.

[2GOLD 0]

*sigh*  they shouldn't have buried Shelton...

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I'm pretty sure if everyone on the roster was injured and unable to perform except for Shelton, he still wouldn't see RAW.

And he'd job to a frog on HEAT.

[Black Lushus 0]

they should have went with heel HBK vs. face Cena when they had the chance after Summerslam...meanwhile, Shelton could have gotten over huge by fueding and eventually overcoming his former mentor Angle...Cena and Shelton would be your top babyfaces, HBK would eventually switch back and there you have it, no lack-of-babyfaces problem...

[The Czech Republic 0]

With 'fans' like you, I can see why wrestlers easily hate them.

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It's like nikjohns never left!

[Lil' Bitch 0]

Either way I still think it was a mistake putting the title on him then.  It gave him nothing to build to in his career. 

 

I disagree. Yeah, it was rushed, but unlike JBL, Lesnar actually proved his worth being the main event as a credible champion plus he's had matches with Rock, Undertaker, Big Show, Edge, Angle, Benoit, and Guerrero that I've all enjoyed.

 

Angle has already dicked around with Kane in the past to somewhat ok but not all that memorable results. It also doesn't help that Kane is stale as month old bread.

 

Yeah, but like Jericho, Kane is bulletproof and fans are still with him even through the shittest of angles. Stick Kane in the title scene won't be too hard, he's still believable as a monster and WILL have fans support. I mean he wasn't too far off behind Michaels in the Taboo voting(right after he came back from almost 3 month absence I remind you) so that goes to show me fans would want to see him headlining a title match.

[Guest Leelee]

With 'fans' like you, I can see why wrestlers easily hate them.

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It's like nikjohns never left!

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So, HTQ will also kill himself?

 

Tempting... but, I don't really want to see Mike happy.

[Black Lushus 0]

With 'fans' like you, I can see why wrestlers easily hate them.

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It's like nikjohns never left!

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heh

[iggymcfly 0]

Yeah, but like Jericho, Kane is bulletproof and fans are still with him even through the shittest of angles. Stick Kane in the title scene won't be too hard, he's still believable as a monster and WILL have fans support. I mean he wasn't too far off behind Michaels in the Taboo voting(right after he came back from almost 3 month absence I remind you) so that goes to show me fans would want to see him headlining a title match.

 

Actually, it's not like that at all. Kane hasn't been half as over as Jericho was ever since the Katie Vick angle. Trust me, putting Kane in the main event wouldn't draw jack shit.

[Kahran Ramsus 0]

Kane was very over right after he got unmasked and had to be brought to the ring with security and a straight-jacket. Then the Shane thing ruined him.

[Guest *KNK*]

Yeah, but like Jericho, Kane is bulletproof and fans are still with him even through the shittest of angles. Stick Kane in the title scene won't be too hard, he's still believable as a monster and WILL have fans support. I mean he wasn't too far off behind Michaels in the Taboo voting(right after he came back from almost 3 month absence I remind you) so that goes to show me fans would want to see him headlining a title match.

 

Actually, it's not like that at all. Kane hasn't been half as over as Jericho was ever since the Katie Vick angle. Trust me, putting Kane in the main event wouldn't draw jack shit.

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Funny because, Ratings shot up a full point after the mask removal and was going strong for another 2 months until the Shane program aborted his overness.

[cabbageboy 0]

Kane getting 38% at Taboo Tuesday was hardly a mandate to put him in the main event again. Hell I voted for him mostly because I hate Shawn Michaels and did it as a protest vote. I don't think anyone actually voted for Kane seriously, it was either in protest to Michaels being so blatantly pushed into that spot, or as a joke.

[iggymcfly 0]

Yeah, but like Jericho, Kane is bulletproof and fans are still with him even through the shittest of angles. Stick Kane in the title scene won't be too hard, he's still believable as a monster and WILL have fans support. I mean he wasn't too far off behind Michaels in the Taboo voting(right after he came back from almost 3 month absence I remind you) so that goes to show me fans would want to see him headlining a title match.

 

Actually, it's not like that at all. Kane hasn't been half as over as Jericho was ever since the Katie Vick angle. Trust me, putting Kane in the main event wouldn't draw jack shit.

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Funny because, Ratings shot up a full point after the mask removal and was going strong for another 2 months until the Shane program aborted his overness.

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OK, sorry I had the timeline wrong in my head, and I forgot that the unmasking angle was after the Katie Vick angle. I agree that he was very over than and probably should have gotten a clean victory over Stone Cold leading into a title feud.

 

However, ever since he was kicked into the flaming dumpster by Shane and the angle went to hell, the crowd's stopped giving a shit about him altogether. Combined with the goofy bad character, the lighting JR on fire, the awful Lita angles, and the 18 different face to heel to face to heel to face turns based on nothing, there is no way that he could draw whatsoever right now.

 

In fact, given the way that Triple H has been treated, (three clean jobs to Batista followed by a job to RIC FLAIR), I would contend that outside of possibly Angle, there are no legitimate main eventers on Raw right now. And Angle's only got about enough mileage for one more title shot, and if he loses there, or wins by DQ, or does anything but win the title, his viability as a main eventer will be shot as well.

[Guest SavageRulz]

I missed the unmasking and what followed. By the time I tuned back in to watch some WWE he'd just become yet another generic big man doing nothing very exciting and being way too human.

 

Oh, and the jump in the ratings would obviously have had nothing to do with Kane's unmasking and gimmick at the time, what was Triple H up to for that month or so? I'm sure it was his fault, not Kane's

[ChrisMWaters 0]

*sigh*  they shouldn't have buried Shelton...

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I'm pretty sure if everyone on the roster was injured and unable to perform except for Shelton, he still wouldn't see RAW.

And he'd job to a frog on HEAT.

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Speaking of which, where HAS Rene Dupree been recently?

[Guest FromBeyondTheGrave]

Speaking of which, where HAS Rene Dupree been recently?

OVW.