Damaramu 0 Report post Posted November 9, 2005 So yeah I've never watched this promotion before. I'm tired of WWE and I watched the Primetime special and I enjoyed it. Where can I learn about the history of this promotion? Like I remember when it first started but I don't know anything about it or title histories or who has been in the promotion or past angles or anything. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hunter's Torn Quad 0 Report post Posted November 9, 2005 If only there was an ongoing series of articles about the history TNA, and if only they were being linked to in specific threads in the TNA folder. Oh, look. There are. History of TNA I History of TNA II Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Damaramu 0 Report post Posted November 9, 2005 Awesome....now I must figure out key shows to order. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Damaramu 0 Report post Posted November 9, 2005 Who is Abyss? Is he anyone special or just an indy worker put in a mask? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest [censored] Report post Posted November 9, 2005 All I know about Abyss is that every time I see or hear someone compare him to Andre his joke of a rip off character becomes even more laughable. The guy can work yes. But Andre? Give me a fucking break. The first time people see him they think Kane/Mankind and until that's fixed he'll always look like a 2nd rate wrestler. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hunter's Torn Quad 0 Report post Posted November 9, 2005 Who has ever compared Abyss to Andre? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rendclaw 0 Report post Posted November 9, 2005 You have to be at least 7 feet tall for that to happen. Ask Big Show. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest [censored] Report post Posted November 9, 2005 Who has ever compared Abyss to Andre? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Larry Zybsko for starters and I read it in someone's post where they said think of him (Abyss) like Vader or Andre. here's the video with larry's quote http://www.tnawrestling.com/roster/abyss/index.html Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Damaramu 0 Report post Posted November 9, 2005 Well who is he? And I have to admit I did think of a weird Kane/Mankind amalgam when I saw him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hunter's Torn Quad 0 Report post Posted November 9, 2005 Who has ever compared Abyss to Andre? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Larry Zybsko for starters and I read it in someone's post where they said think of him (Abyss) like Vader or Andre. here's the video with larry's quote http://www.tnawrestling.com/roster/abyss/index.html <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I've never put much value on what Larry The Shill has to say. And do you remember what poster compared Abyss to Andre? I could see comparing Abyss to Vader, though that is still a stretch, but Abyss to Andre? Someone would have to be on something to compare the two. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest *KNK* Report post Posted November 9, 2005 Vader comparison is somewhat understandable if you are going for that "big monster who can move and delivering a beating" arguement. Work wise, it's like comparing Joe to Hardcore Holly. One can actually do it, the other likes to pretend he can. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest [censored] Report post Posted November 9, 2005 I've never put much value on what Larry The Shill has to say. And do you remember what poster compared Abyss to Andre? I could see comparing Abyss to Vader, though that is still a stretch, but Abyss to Andre? Someone would have to be on something to compare the two. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Magus in the TNA roster thread Abyss: I've said it before: don't think Mankind/Kane. Think VADER. Or maybe even Andre. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Andrew J. Report post Posted November 9, 2005 Well who is he? And I have to admit I did think of a weird Kane/Mankind amalgam when I saw him. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Some big guy from Puerto Rico that TNA decided to bring over, put under a mask, and push moderately hard. Certainly worked out better than the other Puerto Rican stars TNA brought in. (Apolo, anyone?) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest [censored] Report post Posted November 9, 2005 Let me just say I don't dislike Abyss. I think he's good enough in the ring and his gimmick just needs a slight make over. But I just drives me crazy to see him being built up as some monster. I mean 6'10? And comparing him to Vader is also sort of joke right now. Vader was a huge star in Japan and played the unstoppable monster perfectly. In his prime he would work circles around Abyss. As for the make over. He's should change his custome to look like the Machine Character from the movie 8MM. That would be perfect for him and would solve the hey that dude looks like kane/mankind problem. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JustJoe2k5 0 Report post Posted November 9, 2005 Abyss is independent wrestler Justice under a mask. He appeared without the mask at TNA's first show and looked alot like Rhyno. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JustJoe2k5 0 Report post Posted November 9, 2005 Abyss is independent wrestler Justice under a mask. He appeared without the mask at TNA's first show and looked alot like Rhyno. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Corey_Lazarus 0 Report post Posted November 9, 2005 Actually, the main comparison to Mankind/Kane comes from the mask, and I wouldn't want too different of a mask for Abyss should they change it. Maybe make the mask stand out more with different patterns or something, or simplify it, I dunno. As for title histories...I'll do that right here, off the top of my head. No dates, though, as it'd be hard-as-balls to try to remember all the dates. Also, both the World and Tag belts have longer lineages than just TNA (obviously), so I'm only counting the TNA-era (since they were both vacated before TNA's debut anyway). NWA World Heavyweight title Ken Shamrock won the Gauntlet for the Gold after defeating Malice in the finals to become the first NWA World champion of the TNA era. Ron "The Truth" Killings defeated Ken Shamrock © to become the first black NWA World champion following interference by "Mr. Wrestling III." Jeff Jarrett defeated Ron "The Truth" Killings © following interference by "Mr. Wrestling III" (Vince Russo). AJ Styles defeated Jeff Jarrett © and Raven in a Triple Threat match following interference from Vince Russo to become the first TNA Triple Crown winner (X-Division, Tag Team, World). Jeff Jarrett defeated AJ Styles © to become the first two-time NWA World champion of the TNA era. AJ Styles defeated Jeff Jarrett © in a Cage Match to become the second two-time NWA World champion of the TNA era. Ron "The Truth" Killings defeated AJ Styles © to become the third two-time NWA World champion of the TNA era. Jeff Jarrett defeated Ron "The Truth" Killings ©, AJ Styles, "Wildcat" Chris Harris, and Raven in the first-ever King of the Mountain match to become the first three-time NWA World champion of the TNA era. Raven won a King of the Mountain match (I forget the exact participants) after the champion, Jeff Jarrett ©, was stripped of the title. Jeff Jarrett defeated Raven © at a TNA-sponsored Border City Wrestling event to become the first four-time NWA World champion of the TNA era following interference by America's Most Wanted (Chris Harris and James Storm). Rhino defeated Jeff Jarrett © after winning a #1 Contender's Gauntlet. Jeff Jarrett defeated Rhino © to become the first five-time NWA World champion of the TNA era following interference from America's Most Wanted, Monty Brown, and Abyss. NWA X-Division title AJ Styles defeated Psicosis, LowKi, and Jerry Lynn in a Four-Way Double Elimination match to become the first-ever NWA X-Division champion. LowKi defeated AJ Styles © and Jerry Lynn in a Triple Threat match to become the second NWA X-Division champion. Jerry Lynn defeated LowKi © and AJ Styles in a Triple Threat Ladder match to become the third NWA X-Division champion. Sean "Syxx-Pac" Waltman won an X-Division Invitational Ladder Match after an injury forced Jerry Lynn to relinquish the NWA X-Division title. AJ Styles defeated Sean "Syxx-Pac" Waltman © to become the first-ever two-time NWA X-Division champion. Jerry Lynn defeated AJ Styles to become the second two-time NWA X-Division champion. Sonny Siaki defeated Jerry Lynn ©. Kid Kash defeated Sonny Siaki ©. The Amazing Red defeated Kid Kash ©. Chris Sabin defeated The Amazing Red © and Jerry Lynn in a Triple Threat match. Michael Shane defeated Chris Sabin © and Frankie Kazarian in the first-ever Ultimate X match. Chris Sabin defeated Michael Shane ©, LowKi, and "The Fallen Angel" Christopher Daniels in Ultimate X2. Frankie Kazarian won an X-Division Gauntlet for the NWA X-Division title after Chris Sabin © forfeited the title due to injury. ...and I lose track after this because I stopped watching/caring until AJ won it back earlier this year (so for these you'll have to do research)... "The Fallen Angel" Christopher Daniels defeated AJ Styles ©. NWA World Tag Team titles Jerry Lynn and AJ Styles won a one-night tournament to become the first NWA World Tag Team champions of the TNA era. America's Most Wanted (Chris Harris and James Storm) won a Tag Team Gauntlet for the Gold for the vacant NWA World Tag Team titles after the NWA Board of Directors stripped AJ Styles and Jerry Lynn of the belts. The Disciples of the New Church ("Killdozer" Brian Lee and Slash) defeated America's Most Wanted ©. America's Most Wanted defeated the Disciples of the New Church © to become the first-ever two-time NWA World Tag Team champions of the TNA era. XXX defeated America's Most Wanted ©. Jerry Lynn and The Amazing Red defeated XXX ©. XXX defeated Jerry Lynn and The Amazing Red ©. America's Most Wanted defeated XXX © in TNA's first Cage Match to become the first three-time NWA World Tag Team champions of the TNA era. Redshirt Security defeated America's Most Wanted ©. 3 Live Kru defeated Redshirt Security ©. Redshirt Security defeated 3 Live Kru © after interference by The New Franchise. AJ Styles and Abyss defeated Redshirt Security ©. Kid Kash and Dallas defeated XXX in the finals of a Tag Team title tournament following the vacation of the NWA World Tag Team titles by the NWA Board of Directors due to the Abyss/AJ Styles feud. D'Lo Brown and Apolo defeated Kid Kash and Dallas © by DQ. Kid Kash and Dallas defeated D'Lo Brown and Apolo © by DQ. America's Most Wanted defeated Kid Kash and Dallas ©. ...BANG! The Naturals won the belts somehow...? America's Most Wanted defeated The Naturals ©. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TNABaddboi 0 Report post Posted November 9, 2005 ...and I lose track after this because I stopped watching/caring until AJ won it back earlier this year (so for these you'll have to do research)... "The Fallen Angel" Christopher Daniels defeated AJ Styles ©. The blanks here are: AJ Styles defeated Frankie Kazarian on the first Wed PPV after Impact debuted on FSN. The title was then held up after Kazarian and Shane both pulled the belt down during an Ultimate X match with AJ Styles. Petey Williams won a 10 man (I think) Gauntlet for the Gold sometime in August 2004 to win the belt. AJ Styles defeated Petey Williams and Chris Sabin at Final Resolution this January in an Ultimate X match. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Damaramu 0 Report post Posted November 9, 2005 Why did Jeff Jarrett get stripped of the belt? And is he like the HHH of this promotion? Why the hell has he been champ so much? I was also wondering what shows to order. Like dates for the weekly PPVs that are good or whatever? I mean I'm going to start watching Impact every saturday because I find it to be a nice alternative but I still don't know much about the history. At one time weren't WWE cast-offs showing up left and right? I thought D-Lo Brown got huge in TNA. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hunter's Torn Quad 0 Report post Posted November 9, 2005 Why did Jeff Jarrett get stripped of the belt? And is he like the HHH of this promotion? Why the hell has he been champ so much? I was also wondering what shows to order. Like dates for the weekly PPVs that are good or whatever? I mean I'm going to start watching Impact every saturday because I find it to be a nice alternative but I still don't know much about the history. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> And is he like the HHH of this promotion? Why the hell has he been champ so much? Yes, he is, but a far less talented version. And he's been champion so much due to a combination of his wanting to be the top guy above all others and Dixie Carter being a mark for so-called 'star power'. Right now, though, Jeff is the one with the most power. I was also wondering what shows to order. Like dates for the weekly PPVs that are good or whatever? The X Cup(?) PPV, with Juventud versus Teddy Hart, is one to get. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Matt Young 0 Report post Posted November 9, 2005 I neverknew D'Lo won a title, nor did I know that they ever ran a title change on a DQ (although I was aware that it's in the rules). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest dvkorn Report post Posted November 9, 2005 Didn't AJ beat Jarrett at Hard Justice with Tito as ref then Raven won it in the King of the Mountain match at Slammiversary..? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Corey_Lazarus 0 Report post Posted November 9, 2005 Maybe. I'm not sure on the titles, for the most part, from after the first King of the Mountain match (when I stopped watching for a period of time) and earlier this year. And yes, TNA's done the "title changes hands on a DQ" a couple of times, actually. Mostly with the tag belts, though, so it kinda diminishes those. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
