This Week in College Football 12/1 - 12/3

[Slayer 0]

The BCS is to match up the top 2 teams in the championship game

Which it can't even that right most of the time. This year it got lucky. I'm still in favor of playoffs myself, but that's an argument for another day.

 

I guess you would rather have:

USC vs. Penn State

You mean the traditional Rose Bowl matchup? Fuck yeah

 

Texas vs. Notre Dame

I hate both teams, but this is fine.

 

Georgia vs. WVU

You can't make this game interesting, no matter how you try to shop it.

 

Florida State vs. Miam

I imagine a lot of people would groan at these teams meeting yet again, but it's a good blood feud, not to mention a good draw for the respective fans. Being a minor Miami fan, I would want to see them stick it to Free Shoes U again.

[Guest]

You mean the traditional Rose Bowl matchup? Fuck yeah

Seriously. I would love to see the matchup even if it happened to be Indiana vs Arizona.

[Bored 0]

It's not just the BCS, it's the bowl system in general. It's all about who will draw the most fans rather than actual merit. The biggest joke in this year's bowl slections is N.C. State, who had losing record in conference and barely became bowl eligible, being picked for the Car Care Bowl (a joke itself) to play a glorified home game over the likes of Top 25 teams in Georgia Tech and Boston College. BC gets to go play a road game in Boise and GTech has to travel all the way across the country to play in San Francisco.

 

It'd be nice if bowl selections were purely on merit...and just for the hell of it here's what the bowls could look like if they were assigned strickly on BCS ranking and assigned based on the higher payout for the bowl. I'll of course avoid matching up teams who played each other already.

 

Rose: USC vs. Texas

Orange: Penn State vs. Oregon

Fiesta: Notre Dame vs. Ohio State

Sugar: Georgia vs. Miami

Capital One: Auburn vs. Virginia Tech

Cotton: West Virginia vs. LSU

Outback: Alabama vs. TCU

Peach: Texas Tech vs. UCLA

Holiday: Florida vs. Wisconsin

Gator: Louisville vs. Michigan

Alamo: Boston College vs. Oklahoma

Sun: Florida State vs. Northwestern

Liberty: Georgia Tech vs. Iowa

Independence: Clemson vs. Minnesota

Houston: Boise State vs. South Carolina

Las Vegas: Fresno State vs. California

Music City: Tulsa vs. Nebraska

Car Care: Nevada vs. Iowa State

Emerald: Toledo vs. UTEP

MPC: Rutgers vs. Colorado

Insight: Navy vs. Arizona State

Champs Sports: Kansas vs. N.C. State

Motor City: Virginia vs. Missouri

Hawaii: South Florida vs. Central Florida

Fort Worth: Colorado State vs. Northern Illinois

Poinsettia: BYU vs. Central Michigan

GMAC: Louisiana Tech vs. Utah

New Orleans: Akron vs. Arkansas State

[Damaramu 0]

OU vs. BC? I'd like that more than what we have now. God I wish we could've gone to the Alamo Bowl. How awesome would OU/Michigan be? Of course it wouldn't be easier than OU/Oregon but it would be less repetitive(OU and Oregon played last year and play next year).

 

God OU is going to get killed by Oregon. This sucks b/c Stoops lost his first bowl but then he rattled off an Orange Bowl(national title), Cotton Bowl, and Rose Bowl. All bowls were won pretty easily too. Then he lost his next two bowls and now will probably lose his third straight making his bowl record 3-4. Suck.

[Slayer 0]

It's not like he lost to scrub teams in those last two bowls though

[Damaramu 0]

It's not like he lost to scrub teams in those last two bowls though

 

Yeah but he still lost. People seem to forget who they lost to and just go "OU lost. What loozers! LOLZ2K5~!~!"

[Edwin MacPhisto 0]

No, they really don't. They'll mock them for blowing the Orange Bowl so badly, but no one who actually follows college football thinks that either the 2003 or 2004 OU teams were outside of the top 10 overall teams of those seasons.

[Damaramu 0]

No, they really don't. They'll mock them for blowing the Orange Bowl so badly, but no one who actually follows college football thinks that either the 2003 or 2004 OU teams were outside of the top 10 overall teams of those seasons.

 

Well OU in 2003 was definitely #1 until KSU proved otherwise. That's why it was such a pearl harbor thing by KSU b/c people were talking about OU as maybe the best ever.

They were still Top 5 even at the end of both of those seasons. They did finish #3 both seasons.

[cabbageboy 0]

I think I actually called that Va Tech Gator Bowl selection earlier, when pondering who U of L was going to get killed by. I think the reason they didn't select Miami was that U of L already played Miami last year and will in theory next year too (though I've heard Miami wants to back out).

 

The funny thing is that as corrupt and crooked as the bowl system is, there's usually a very deserving national champion. As in no #8 seeds coming out of nowhere to win the national title like Villanova or NC St. in basketball, which would be like Northwestern winning it all this year.

 

My main problem with the BCS is the other games that make up the big BCS paydays. They end up with stupid shit like Pitt at 8-3 or FSU at 8-4, teams that have no business being there. Meanwhile you have great games like Miami/LSU, Bama/TX Tech, U of L/Va Tech in these nothing bowls that nobody cares about outside of those towns.

[Guest Leelee]

People actually care about the Insight.com bowl here, and not just to laugh at the name. This is strange.

 

Also, someone give me tickets for ND/OSU.

[Guest]

I think that the bowl games were originally meant to give us unique matchups and interesting ones. College football has traveled far away from that.

[Guest Leelee]

Well, duh.

 

The Fort Worth Bowl wasn't exactly created to host an exciting football contest.

[Damaramu 0]

Ok I'm getting into arguments with fellow OU fans about our secondary now. They seem to think that OU's secondary is really good and they think that the freshman Reggie Smith is like a superstar that's going to embarass Oregon.

Smith is out of position and confused more times than he's actually in position to make a play.

I really do think that b/c of the secondary OU will lose by at least 10-14 points.

If the secondary was decent it'd be a different story. But I mean all you have to do is a play action if you're Oregon and all of OU's corners and safeties will bite. They do it everytime.

[Guest]

Yeah, and it fucking sucks. I don't tune in to watch a 6-5 or 7-4 Big XII team to watch a good Mountain West team. I want to watch the big conferences go at it with each other and the little conferences to do the same.

[iggymcfly 0]

It's too bad the bowl alliance isn't still around. That would have been even better. We still would have had Penn State vs. USC in the Rose Bowl, but we'd also get Texas vs. Ohio State matching the #1 and #2 (non-Pac Ten/Big Ten champs) in the national championship.

 

Notre Dame vs. West Virginia and Georgia vs. Florida State would also be tremendous bowl games.

[Vern Gagne 0]

Which it can't even that right most of the time. This year it got lucky. I'm still in favor of playoffs myself, but that's an argument for another day.

 

They way I look at it. When you've got two (three) teams competing for the final spot, with the same record and without a head to head matchup. With the computers, and factoring in the entire seasons work. I really don't have a problem with any of the selections.

[Guest]

I have problems with 4 loss teams getting a huge payout if they win, but that's for a different time and place.

[Vern Gagne 0]

Have a problem with the second one loss team not winning a game they should win.

[Hogan Made Wrestling 0]

I have problems with 4 loss teams getting a huge payout if they win, but that's for a different time and place.

 

This is why conference championship games are stupid. The entire rest of the season is rendered basically irrelevant, in particular the OOC games. Theoretically, a team could start 0-4, but win their next 7 games, play an 11-0 team in the conference championship, beat them, and now they win the conference. It's also why I had zero sympathy for Colorado in 2002.

[KingPK 0]

Who the fuck around here is going to go to fucking IDAHO to watch BC play? Sad that a team seemingly gets a bowl game at home simply because their field is a different color than normal.

 

Guess going to the ACC didn't help BC's standing with the people that make the bowls any.

[Guest]

Have a problem with the second one loss team not winning a game they should win.

Hell yes, but 2 things should be remembered here. Jacksonville is Florida State country no matter how you spin it, and conference championship games are an absolute sham.

 

This is why conference championship games are stupid. The entire rest of the season is rendered basically irrelevant, in particular the OOC games. Theoretically, a team could start 0-4, but win their next 7 games, play an 11-0 team in the conference championship, beat them, and now they win the conference. It's also why I had zero sympathy for Colorado in 2002.

Not just this, but let's say that you go 0-4 to start the season. You then lose 2 inconference games against the teams outside of your division but beat every team inside of it. The other teams also lose 2 games in the division and you wind up with the shitty team that beat them in the title game. What appeal would there be in a 5-6 team being in the title game? Fucking none. If they win, 6-6 in the BCS game.

 

Who the fuck around here is going to go to fucking IDAHO to watch BC play? Sad that a team seemingly gets a bowl game at home simply because their field is a different color than normal.

 

Guess going to the ACC didn't help BC's standing with the people that make the bowls any.

Blame this on a shitty team such as NC State getting a home game in a shitty car care bowl. There's no reason that they shouldn't be the ones shipped off to Boise.

[Damaramu 0]

Dammit I need someone to tell me that OU has a shot against Oregon or someone else to back me up that OU's secondary blows.

[Guest]

Oregon won't beat them through the air. They are going to do it on the ground.

[Hogan Made Wrestling 0]

Dammit I need someone to tell me that OU has a shot against Oregon or someone else to back me up that OU's secondary blows.

 

They do have a shot against Oregon because without Kellen Clemens the passing game is nowhere near as good. If either of Dixon or Leaf can step up and have a big day then I think we can beat OU easily since our defense should be able to beat up on Bomar and the playcalling will focus on containing AD. If the QBs both sputter and AD runs wild then it could be a close game and an OU win.

[Vern Gagne 0]

Hell yes, but 2 things should be remembered here. Jacksonville is Florida State country no matter how you spin it, and conference championship games are an absolute sham.

 

That's true. FSU has the advantage. However, they hadn't been this dominate home team this year. I will say they grossly underachieved, and them winning shouldn't suprise anyone. I agree about the conference championships.

 

Another thing about the non-title BCS games. It's not a great system, but the BCS main and really only priority is to set up the championship game. Who ends up in th Fiesta, Orange is more or less about the money. When it's not determing, the national champion I don't have a problem with it.

 

The overall bowls. I'd like to see each conference keep say three bowls. Than every few years, switch off between conferences. I'd also like to see a minimum of 7 wins, if that doesn't work than you need to have a winning conf. record.

 

Change the Rose Bowl back to a degree. If a Big 10 or Pac 10 team is 1 or 2, they play in another BCS game, if you have another Big 10 or Pac 10 team inside the BCS Top 10.

[Guest]

I almost want it to be like the Bowl Alliance where the Rose Bowl was taken completely out with the Cotton Bowl as the 4th big bowl. Both of those games have completely lost their luster, as all of those games could determine the champion.

[Damaramu 0]

Dammit I need someone to tell me that OU has a shot against Oregon or someone else to back me up that OU's secondary blows.

 

They do have a shot against Oregon because without Kellen Clemens the passing game is nowhere near as good. If either of Dixon or Leaf can step up and have a big day then I think we can beat OU easily since our defense should be able to beat up on Bomar and the playcalling will focus on containing AD. If the QBs both sputter and AD runs wild then it could be a close game and an OU win.

 

Well it's nearly impossible to beat OU on the ground b/c of how good the front 7 is. But if you throw well then you can easily beat OU.

Bomar I think will probably end up losing his head if he's pressured. They need Peterson to have a big day. The thing about putting everyone on the line to stop Peterson is that if he breaks the line(which he's capable of doing) then he's gone.

[Vern Gagne 0]

I think you need some limits. Like I mentioned earlier, Top 10 in the BCS. Otherwise it's too much of a reach to get the traditional move.

[Hogan Made Wrestling 0]

I think you can correct the problem for the most part by eliminating divisions, and then simply having the top 2 teams in the conference play in the championship game (if they continue to insist on having these games). That way you are almost assured of having a good representative in the BCS.

 

There was a good article about this on CNNSI a few weeks ago. The conclusion, which I agree with, is that the conference championship game really only works well for the SEC because there's a natural central location for the conference (Atlanta) and the divisions usually both produce at least one good team.

[Guest]

think you need some limits. Like I mentioned earlier, Top 10 in the BCS. Otherwise it's too much of a reach to get the traditional move.

Yes, but I think we are going to be headed back to the traditional tie-ins within the next 6 years.

 

I think you can correct the problem for the most part by eliminating divisions, and then simply having the top 2 teams in the conference play in the championship game (if they continue to insist on having these games). That way you are almost assured of having a good representative in the BCS.

I think the ACC screwed that up for years to come with the way that they aligned the conference.

 

There was a good article about this on CNNSI a few weeks ago. The conclusion, which I agree with, is that the conference championship game really only works well for the SEC because there's a natural central location for the conference (Atlanta) and the divisions usually both produce at least one good team.

The ACC should have had their game played in Charlotte or Washington D.C. The Big XII should probably hold their's in Kansas City or St. Louis.