Hey, What's New In Music Folder?

[Guest George's Box]

I really gotta make that flow chart.

 

Hot Rats, The Grand Wazoo, Sleep Dirt.

[Gary Floyd 0]

I downloaded Wazoo, and I also like it. Thanks for the suggestions.

[Slayer 0]

The other day I listened to YCD1 (the whole thing, as I'd had some songs on my YCD comp that I listen to more frequently) for the first time in awhile, and damn there's a lot of crap on there... I think in another Zappa thread I recommended starting off with this one because it's where I started (with the whole series, really), but there's just so much filler on there, especially on Disc 1 with F&E crap and not-good-stuff from the Roxy band, that I regret ever making such a recommendation

 

"The Mammy Anthem" almost makes the whole damn thing worth it though

[Guest Tzar Lysergic]

I love the version of "Big Swifty" on there. It's far removed from the original, but it's...swiftier.

[Guest George's Box]

Two things I'm looking for:

 

Sleep Dirt without Thana Harris's vocals about Hunchentoot. Here's what I don't get: if Lather is how those albums were intended to be heard, rather than how Warners released them, why does Lather have the instrumentals and Sleep Dirt is overdubbed? Oh well. Me, I'm one of the few people who thinks Warners had it right in the great Lather debate. It makes more sense to have everything sorted rather than scattered. I think I'd like the album a lot better without the aborted Hunchentoot crap.

 

Cruising with Ruben & the Jets without the shitty Wackerman overdubs. You're re-recording a fucking doo-wop album. Why would you sully it with your synth-tom noodling? Totally anchronistic. Use some discretion, you doofus.

[Guest George's Box]

Okay, I found the Sleep Dirt instrumentals. Miles ahead. "Flambay" is also missing the sixteenth-note cymbal figure in the beginning, which was evidently Chad Wackerman's hamfisted vandalism once more. I know Frank didn't have much regard for this album since it was one of the unapproved Warners slopjobs, but he should've made its original form more readily available, or just not reissued it at all. This whole Hunchentoot business was a real misfire, if you ask me. Maybe that whole thing should have been compiled and released in its intended form, with "The Grand Wazoo" plus lyrics (I believe it was called "Think It Over"), "Spider of Destiny," and whatever else was in there, but overdubbing a few songs about a woman that fucks a spider from outer space some 18 years after the original release really mars an otherwise interesting (albeit non-essential) little fusion album.

[Guest Tzar Lysergic]

Frank and Mike Nesmith switch places. Hysterical.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNJy-OgCzB0

[Guest George's Box]

Awesome find, Agent.

 

I'm watching the PMRC hearings. Most of this I'm familiar with from "Porn Wars" and the book Parental Advisory, but it's cool to see it in its entirety. And wow, Al Gore sure wasn't a liberal darling back then, now was he.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xmAYeWdr1E

Project/Object playing "Carolina Hard-Core Ecstasy." not the best camcorder quality, and the band isn't big enough to cover it properly, but it's Ike and Napoleon doing "Carolina Hard-Core Ecstasy," so hey. I love the opening guitar riff, though.

 

EDIT: Oh man, the PMRC did not age well at all. "I think it's clear that rock music causes AIDS." yikes. I also liked

Creepy Crossfire Host: Aren't there any songs, Mr. Zappa, that you don't want your kids to hear?

FZ: "We Are The World."

 

EDIT 2:

[Guest Tzar Lysergic]

And wow, Al Gore sure wasn't a liberal darling back then, now was he

 

Not with that scumbag cunt of a wife.

[Guest Tzar Lysergic]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-or_cVzTJI

 

Ok. So, has anyone else here ever seen this ep....you know what? Nevermind. Ok.

 

Weasel Dust.

[Guest George's Box]

That was something. I liked his jump.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEMj8RCZqtw

[Guest Tzar Lysergic]

So, ZPZ is moving through the area next month. They're even stopping in Indianapolis, which is fantastic.

[Guest George's Box]

Civic Opera House on Friday July 20th. I should be there.

[Guest Pizza Hut's Game Face]

New double live album just came out on Tuesday, entitled Wazoo, appropriately focusing on "The Grand Wazoo" and "Big Swifty." Click here for a preview of sorts. I suppose I could get it, but disc 2 is mostly composed of Greggary Peccary crap, and I think Studio Tan met all my Greggary Peccary needs. Besides, I still have some original Zappa albums to pick up before I start getting into the posthumous archival stuff. But still, I could always use another "Big Swifty."

[Cheech Tremendous 0]

I spent about twenty minutes in the Zappa section at a local store yesterday trying to make a decision on my next purchase. I got frustrated and just went for some Neil Young.

 

You really need to put together the long-rumored flowchart. I need guidance.

[Guest Pizza Hut's Game Face]

Trust me, I keep trying, but it gets to be a mess and I get frustrated and go waste my time on other dumb shit. One of these days, though.

 

What do you have so far, and of those, which do you like?

[Cheech Tremendous 0]

I have Sheik Yerbouti. I love it.

 

I've sampled a bunch of the other stuff via the net, but haven't made the second purchase. For whatever reason, I am extra cautious about delving into a catalogue so vast.

[Guest Pizza Hut's Game Face]

If you love Sheik Yerbouti, then the next step would either be Zoot Allures from a few years prior or You Are What You Is from later. They're both in the same stylistic vein of being heavily guitar solo-oriented, but Zoot is more of the crude stuff and YAWYI is more of the social anthropology, as Frank liked to call it. I like Zoot much better, because the music is better (one of the most immediate-sounding albums he's done, with a small lineup and few overdubs that I know of) and doesn't have such a sterile digital compression sound, even though the final quarter of YAWYI is some of his best. Anyway, I'd say Zoot Allures is where to go next. I can't see anybody being disappointed with that: you have two of the "untouchable" guitar solos in "Black Napkins" and the title track, plus "The Torture Never Stops," of which I have like eight versions.

[Guest Tzar Lysergic]

Definitely stay in the 70's if you want something similar to Sheik. Zoot Allures, One Size Fits All, Overnite Sensation..pretty much can't miss with any of those.

[Guest Tzar Lysergic]

 

[Guest Desensitized]

Here's a little something for lunch.God! This is a tasty litle sucker!

[Gary Floyd 0]

I got You Can't Do That On Stage Anymore Vol. 2 from the library yesterday. Also, I need to get Burnt Weenie Sandwich and Weasles Ripped My Flesh in the future.

[Guest Tzar Lysergic]

The Helsinki Concert(s)! Often tops my Zappa list. The room service bits are pretty funny, and the guitarwork on disc 1 is out of this world. The vibes and rhythm section stand out more to me on 2. Fucking up Montana twice is funny and embarassing all at the same time.

[Guest Desensitized]

I got You Can't Do That On Stage Anymore Vol. 2 from the library yesterday. Also, I need to get Burnt Weenie Sandwich and Weasles Ripped My Flesh in the future.

I just uploaded Burnt Weeny Sandwich right above your post.

 

The whole Roxy-at-warpspeed set on disc 1 is fantastic, but why did they slow "Pygmy Twylite" down to a crawl? Maybe that was their spot to rest a little.

[Slayer 0]

Disc 1 is definitely best disc of the YCD sets IMO (with Vol 5 Disc 2 pulling second), but two major complaints relate to the fact that "Pygmy Twylyte" is supposed to be a fast energetic song while "Village of the Sun" is a laid back lazy song (as both are played on RAE), and for some reason here they switch them up

[Guest Desensitized]

I like Village better in its sped-up form. There's no good reason why it should be as fast as it is, but I don't mind. "Echidna's Arf" is the best Roxy/Helsinki song, though.

[Guest Tzar Lysergic]

Satumaa through Uncle Meat.

[Slayer 0]

Jimmy Carl Black, The Indian of the Group, passed away on Saturday

[Guest Tzar Lysergic]

That's a drag.

 

Arguably the ugliest mother:

 

[Guest C*Z*E*C*H]

Bummer. Not the most technically proficient of the Mothers drummers (that'd probably be Bozzio) nor my favorite (either Bozzio or Chester Thompson), but the band needed his character in those early years, and his drumming style was just right for Absolutely Free, WOIIFTM, and Cruising with Ruben and the Jets. Too bad he and Frank never got along, resulting in his drumming getting removed from the latter in favor of that pud Wackerman.