Lets talk about KOTR.

[Guest El Psycho Diablo]

Comedic value differs from person to person. They're supposed to be funny, and I'm sure a lot of people got a kick out of seeing Angle shaved..(Hyuck, hyuck..he's bald)..and the T-shirt things..

 

None of them are as funny to me as his segments with Christian, and Foley were.

 

-Shiro

[Guest Anglesault]

, and I'm sure a lot of people got a kick out of seeing Angle shaved..(Hyuck, hyuck..he's bald)..and the T-shirt things..

Yes, but how many people care about what Pre-teen girls think anyway?

[Guest El Psycho Diablo]

You forgot the rednecks. They get a kick out of that sorta thing.

 

Am I the only one that thought Edge being shaved, and a time off/character change period would have had WAY more effect than a few jokes about Kurt being shaved bald?

 

-Shiro

[Guest Anglesault]

I did too.

[Guest Human Fly]

I can understand that they were trying to elevate Edge by having him go over Angle. But, what I don't understand is that Angle is over and would be better served in the main event. Edge had gone over Angle before, and it didn't get him far. I think his hanging out with, tagging with, fighting with Hogan and HHH got him more credibility then his wins over Angle.

 

It looked like he was going to go over Jericho next, which again might help Edge to be elevated, but would also hurt Jericho. In the rush to elevate new talent they are hurting their best talent at the top (Angle, Jericho).

 

Jericho now looks to be assigned to getting Booker into the ME by way of the KOTR tourney. Which will probably be effective. I'll be glad to see Booker in the ME, but they could've gotten him over by having the NWO give him a beatdown. Now Jericho will do it (if he gets by Val Venis, which has me worried) and then after that he will probably put over Edge, and then after that Venis. Putting over new talent is fine, but when you expect guys to do it who were never really put over themselves it's not.

 

Anyway, with my rant aside here are my predictions:

KOTR Winner: Booker T.

Hogan v. Angle: Angle

'Taker v. HHH: 'Taker

[Guest Big Poppa Popick]

nice title AS

[Guest El Psycho Diablo]

BPP, stop baiting AS. Can't you see we're having a discussion here?

 

I've been a Jerichoholic for years now, but I begin to see more and more that he's not going to make it to the main event. I think right now, Angle would be of MUCH more use than Jericho.

 

Booker as KOTR would be nice, but I think any of the guys (with the exception of X-pac, and probably Brock. Too soon.) would do the title..and the push..justice.

 

-Shiro

[Guest Mole]

Okay this might sound like a stupid idea, but for the KOTR tourney, if a certain wrestler has a title, that title is on the line throughout the tourney.

 

So basically, whoever won the tourney is the new IC champ or European, etc.

[Guest Sakura]

I don't really see a reason to do that. They could just give a title shot to whoever eliminates RVD.

[Guest evenflowDDT]

I thought that in recent years the King of the Ring got an IC shot at SummerSlam anyway?

 

As for my prediction/hoped for winner... now that the nWo has officially gotten rid of The Book, there's no way he can't go over at King of the Ring.  Right?

[Guest Sakura]

Edge is the only KOR winner to get an IC shot at Summerslam.

[Guest Mole]

King Mabel got a world title shot in 95 at SummerSlam. But that was 95...

[Guest Sakura]

Owen Hart and Kurt Angle also got WWE Title shots at Summerslam after winning the KOR.

[Guest converge241]

Just remember kids, the KOR title has never been a guarantee of a title shot, for any title storyline-wise.

 

edge fought for IC title against Lance Storm

Angle wasin the world title three way with rock and HHH

the ass clown king had the fatass match with the rock

shamrock fought owen in the msg theater, lions den

hhh fought foley in a cage

austin may have been in a dark match, cause he didnt wrestle on the ppv

mabel - toot toot diesel for the title

owen - bret the cage for the title

bret fought doink the clown in a **********1/2 classic

 

it would be nice for the KOR to at least get the Fully Loaded/Vengeance title shot

[Guest]

SummerSlam '95: KotR Mabel gets a title shot at Diesel in the ME.

 

SummerSlam '96: KotR Steve Austin gets the Free-For-All match against Yokozuna.

 

 

What the shit?

[Guest cabbageboy]

KOTR is a weird tourney since its significance comes and goes with little rhyme or reason.  Let's review:

 

1993:  Bret Hart wins, feuds with Lawler...no title shot till WM X.

 

1994:  Owen wins it, but then does get a main event push against Bret for the title....then jobs.

 

1995:  Mabel wins, gets a title shot against Diesel at Summerslam.  Dear God.

 

1996:  Austin wins KOTR but was of no real relevance and fought Yoko on said Free For All...didn't get over till feuding with Bret.

 

1997:  HHH wins it, fights Mankind/Dude in the opener cage match at SS.

 

1998:  Shamrock wins it over Rocky....Rocky gets the huge push though while Shamrock wins the IC and vanishes the next year.

 

1999:  Billy Gunn wins it, becomes King Ass and jobs to the Rock (one of my guilty pleasure feuds for some reason).  

 

2000:  Angle wins it, is added to the SS main with HHH and the Rock but does nothing in the match due to concussion.  Does win the title in late 2000.

 

2001:  Edge wins, gets the IC title and only now is being set for a major push.

 

This actually is shaping up as a good tourney this year.  Check out the guys in it:  RVD, Booker, Brock, Jericho, Val Venis, X Pac, Test, and Hardcore Holly.  

 

I dunno how the brackets shape up or how the split is affected now that Vince owns both shows again.  The Raw side of the tourney is exceptionally strong aside from Pac so holding an RVD/Brock match on Raw and NOT the PPV is dumb on many levels.  I say mix it up and save the top matches for the PPV.  To wit:

 

RVD vs. Venis

Jericho vs. Holly

Booker vs. X Pac

Brock vs. Test

 

I think this sounds pretty good.  We can thus have RVD and Jericho advance to take each other on at the PPV in what should be a good match.  Booker and Brock can advance on the other side, but an NWO run in would doom Booker there.  I figure it could be RVD/Brock in the finals......Brock might win there to get KOTR and a non title win over RVD, but RVD can give him his first pinfall defeat at the next PPV or at SS.

 

If they strictly follow the SMDN and Raw format though, the tourney might start sucking ass.  I mean, X Pac/Booker is a logical Raw KOTR match but RVD/Brock has to be on the PPV.  On SMDN it is fine to have Jericho/Val and Holly/Test without much happening either way, since Jericho is the only guy anyone would think has a shot of winning the tourney.  If they insist on doing it on the show to show basis they could do RVD/Pac and Booker/Brock on Raw (Booker runs in to attack X Pac costing him the match, NWO costs Booker his match..makes sense and at least puts off RVD/Brock till the PPV).

[Guest goodhelmet]

ok, first of all the two wrestlers who need the KOR finals more than anyone are booker and jericho. brock and rvd can go double dq or dcor or some crap to eliminate them from contention and neither loses. x-pac needs to get his ass kicked and accidentally break his ankle.

 

no one save for jericho deserves to advance. not one of those other guys. none of them have heat or any reason to advance.

 

give us booker vs. jericho. transfer the feud from booker-nwo to booker-jericho over the summer and slowly but surely phase the nwo out of tv and out of our lives for good.

[Guest Just call me Dan]

You know what I want to see? A DRAW.

 

You have guys in there like Booker, Jericho, RVD and Brock who really don't need a loss. Give us a bad ass match that leaves us with a CLIFFHANGER.

 

I'd eat that up.

[Guest Shaved Bear]

HHH is gonna go over Taker, and then we will see the Four Horsemen

 

....not Double A's, but the Biblical ones as the clique will be in full force

[Guest evenflowDDT]

Just remember kids, the KOR title has never been a guarantee of a title shot, for any title storyline-wise.

My bad... that's the last time I use "No Mercy" storylines as accepted real-life stips.  That and I figured that the Royal Rumble winner gets a title shot, the King of the Ring should get something.  But, like cabbageboy said... it doesn't always work out that way

[Guest cabbageboy]

If you think Jericho is gonna win the tourney, I have some swamp land in FL to sell you.  He's only in it to be a big name job boy.  I guess he could get to the finals in the horrible SMDN side of things if they keep it strictly divided, but right now pushing Jericho isn't exactly a major priority for the WWE.

 

I don't know precisely who will win since there isn't, you know, a BRACKET.  Here is what I see at some point:  Lesnar may well beat RVD to win the tourney, but eventually RVD beats him (possible botched Heyman interference?) and Lesnar flips out and crushes Paul E. and turns face.  Then Lesnar and RVD can be Megapowers 2002 or something.  Heh.

[Guest Just call me Dan]

Boo-ker! Boo-ker! Boo-ker!

 

King of the Ring 2002

 

Lesnar and RVD will cancel eachother out and further a feud

 

Xpac WILL job

 

Booker over Y2J

[Guest Redhawk]

You know, everyone keeps talking about this potential RVD-Lesnar feud, but can that feud possibly be that good?

 

The common perception seems to be that RVD needs to be in there with someone who can lead the match in order to put on great matches. For example, Kurt Angle, Eddie Guerrero, Stone Cold, Jerry Lynn, etc.

 

Brock Lesnar, on the other hand, is still very green and will need to be led through a match. Why do you think Austin complained about working with him?

 

So how would the matches in this feud look? Lesnar would be lost, and RVD (supposedly) cannot dictate a match like an Eddie Guerrero or someone could.

[Guest cabbageboy]

I dunno about RVD not being able to carry or lead a match.  Some of the best matches RVD has had have been against big dudes you would think would clash with him.  I still say his best opponent was Bam Bam Bigelow.  He also had a great match with UT in Dec.  

 

An RVD/Lesnar feud would be cool even if RVD just bumped like crazy for him.  Maybe Van Dam would have to come up with some lethal new move to take out such an unstoppable dude.  Hell, he came up with the Van Terminator against a jobber like Scotty Anton, so who knows what he might come up with.

[Guest big Dante Cruz]

Waitwaitwait.  Since when exactly is Lesnar green?  Just because he was recently on television doens't necessitate that he's green.  How long was the guy in OVW?  I don't think that Jim Cornette would let someone become as big as Lesnar got in the program (so I've heard) or that the WWE would call him up if he was really green.

[Guest]

I think Lesnar's problem is that he sucks.

[Guest]

They just showed the KOTR brackets

 

Xpac

RVD

 

Venis

Jericho

 

Test

Hardcore

 

Brock

Booker

 

UM, WHAT THE FUCK?! Brock and Booker in the first round?!

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

Heres how I always thought an RVD vs. Lesnar match SHOULD go:

 

RVD does spots...and Lesnar pretty much does spots too.

 

What I mean is...when you watch a Brock or RVD match...you pretty much see the same match....with slight variations every time.

 

So...what I would do is have RVD trying to hit his spots and have Brock counter them into his power moves.

 

RVD's bumping can make Brock look godlike.

 

then you have RVD win with a fluke rollup at some point.

 

This doesnt really work for KOTR...because I think Brock should go over RVD clean since its not for the IC title.

 

But in a rematch for the title...I like that formula.

 

Don't underestimate RVDs ability to have watchable matches with anyone.

 

Maybe they let Brock bust out his shooting star press...if the match was a clusterfuck...at least it would be remembered for that.

 

Or a VAn terminator.  hell...people still tell me that McMahon vs. McMahon from MAnia 17 was a good match despite the lack of any actual wrestling.

 

so there.

[Guest]

Gee, Test vs Hardvore. Wonder who will win cought*test*cough.

 

I wouldn't be surprised if Test beats Brock.

[Guest pinnacleofallthingsmanly]

Triple H did a fantastic job of making Angle and Undertaker look like shit since they couldn't beat him in a handicap match. I want to know this, who would you rather have go over at King of the Ring, Hogan or Triple H?