Have you ever?

[Guest Insanityman]

That one radio band is better than a great band. Now everyone has their own opinion, but a girl I know has a very hard time seeing how Nirvana is superior to Linkin Park... and how Anti-Flag is more punk than Sum 41. I was slowly trying to explain it to her and she said out of nowhere "Yeah, all Nirvana does is repeat some words, they make no sense! Same with all those stupid grunge bands... Linkin Park makes more sense!" (Note she only read the lyrics to Nevermind -the whole CD-). I mean it's all opinion but man it's annoying. (Or how Slayer is more hardcore than Limp Buscuit).

 

Anyone esle have the same problem, I mean we're cool friends but she's let it get to her.

[Guest Kinetic]

I had a similar conversation the other day.  There's a girl at work who has a thing for me, so I decided to talk to her and see if perhaps something couldn't be worked out.  The conversation turned to music--it always does when I'm talking to a prospective sexual partner, as it's important for them to alienate me as quickly as possible--and she mentioned how she likes all this punk rock.  My interest piqued, I asked for specific bands.  Well, you know...it was the usual suspects:  Blink 182, Green Day, Sum 41, etc.  She went on to mention how she loves this album of punk bands covering mainstream radio hits.  I was taken aback, to say the least.  Shitty local punk bands thinking they're all subversive and hip because they play a shitty punk cover of "Genie in a Bottle" is not cool or interesting in any way.  I managed to contain my derision to a reasonable extent, though.  I also offered to let her borrow a Clash album.  

 

Come to think of it, my conversation wasn't all that similar to yours.  I just needed to get it off my chest.

[Guest]

I recall having a conversation with a girl who claimed that Limp Bizkit's cover of George Michaels' cover of "Faith" was cool because it had loud guitars. Now, I'm not one to defend the artistic value of a George Michaels song (well, I would his Wham! material, but the solo stuff was just crap), but that's just fucking stupid.

[Guest]

Meh, I ran into it all the time back in High School(I speak as if it were ages ago, but alas, only two weeks). Wee Freshmen and Sophomores went on and on about the latest rock bands and wore their shirts and defaced their bookbags and notebooks with their names. A poignant(for me anyway) look at how the times change was illustrated by a gander at the writing in a bathroom stall. I saw everything from Hair Bands to today written on there.

 

I will agree with these younguns to their faces, for they don't know better... yet. They'll face the same problem we all do one day, and that is speaking to a person three or four years their junior and trying to convince them that the bands of 1997-1998 were better than 2001-2002. Anyways, I like all music these days, so I'll agree with them on their assertions of how good said bands or groups are, but I will disagree when they try to rank them. I feel nostalgic now. I think I'll download some Spice Girls. EMBRACE THE POP~!

 

Oh yeah, now that you mention George Michael, what was that song he came out with right after the bathroom incident that had him as a police officer and stuff in the video? I remember it as being catchy for some reason, even though I can't remember how it even went.

[Guest Dr. Wrestlingphysics]

I really shouldn't know, but the George Michael song is called "Let's go Outside" and contains many sexual innuendos and single entendres.

[Guest Shaved Bear]

ok i was working out and on the weight room's radio, Linkin Park's "In the End" came on, and my friend threw on his Master of Puppets CD, one tool stood upo and sai, hey thats the best-written song of all time, I was in a middle of a set, I almost died while dropping the weights

 

another time I was having an argument with a kid over who the more influential band was, I was going with the Quintessential argument in Led Zepplin (despite how I hate em), where this other kid placed his eggs in the basket known as Fred Durst, and I would say, ask any musician what they say, listen to the songs most well regarded as the best ever, and tell me whether you hear classic riffs, dexterious drumming, etc, or do you hear some trailor trash saying "shut the fuck up"

...his rebuttal, "Led Zepplin, they old"

[Guest muzanisa]

Queen fans are especially bad for this, insisting that Freddie was a great great showman, Brian mays an excellent guitarist blah blah blah, too bad their music sucked.

 

I get very anal about Jazz and can argue the toss over who's better Coltrane or Gordon for hours and if someone throws in Hendrix or better yet limp biscuits, linkin parks or any other metal boy bands guitarist as the best ever then they get their arse handed to them verbally every time.

[Guest CoreyLazarus416]

muzan, I can think of a metal guitarist that you probably couldn't argue much against: John Petrucci

 

I have this argument constantly with my friend BP. He tries to insist that the only band that can play their instruments is Radiohead, yet when I ask him "what about Megadeth and Dream Theater?", he replies "metal bands can't play their instruments." This pisses me off to no end, being a metalhead myself, and I'm willing to bet Wes Spotts and Ricky Zampa (kids in my high school, Ricky can play guitar better than anybody in Massachusetts that I know of, and Wes is pretty fucking good on the bass) can play their instruments better than any band BP listens to. Fuck BP in his stupid ass...

 

And Insanityman, what do you mean by the "or how Slayer is more hardcore than Limp Bizkit" comment? Are you trying to imply Limp Bizkit is the heavier band, or vice versa?

[Guest redbaron51]

I'd like to see someone argue this point.

 

Hendrix is the most influential and most orignal guitar player that has ever existed.

 

Though I do get pissed when people think that music revolves around pop music, that Slipknot is heavy, Jay-Z is the best rapper, Blink 182 is the best punk band ever, yet they can't name a song by them that is not popular. Last year I said I liked System of a Down, many didn't know who was I talking about, but after summer break they are...SYSTEM ROCKS!!!

 

Oh and I can think of four guitarists that are probably the best ever.

 

John Petrucci

Steve Vai

Joe Satriani...

 

 

and...

 

 

ERIC CLAPTON!!! (bit biased, but still...Layla is an awesome solo)

[Guest CoreyLazarus416]

Seriously, I didn't like SOAD that much until Toxicity, because Toxicity shows a pretty wide range of songs for a modern hard rock band (listen to "Bounce," then "Deer Dance," and then "Aerials" to hear what I'm talking about).

[Guest redbaron51]

I know what you are talking about Corey...Toxicity has a wide variety of different styles of songs. But what I think is going to happen to SOAD is that they will be like Korn, and will make a decent third album followed by crap.

[Guest]

How about this: Ever hear so much about a band from a friend of yours who is a TOTAL mark of them that you were totally poisoned against that band?

 

This is my predicament with Kiss and System of a Down. I would experience the same with Metallica, but I'm only indifferent to them. Kiss is just plain bad, and System of a Down I was literally poisoned against.

[Guest evenflowDDT]

I get very anal about Jazz and can argue the toss over who's better Coltrane or Gordon for hours...

I'll play jazz devil's advocate here... what about Django Reinhardt? Nobody anymore seems to give this guy the credit he deserves... hell most people don't even know who he is.

[Guest saturnmark4life]

What the fuck is wrong with queen? Seriously it is such a mindfuck for me to even contemplate people listening to all the watered down whiny rock like nickelback and puddle of mudd and not seeing right through it. It's complete drivel. Alien Ant Farm should have an order taken out against them so they don't ever get inside a studio again. Nothing, NOTHING distinguishes them from anyone else. Attitude is the worst song ever released commercially, i think. There i go again wearing a hole in my soapbox. But it really, REALLY pisses me off. FUCK!

[Guest Invader3k]

Well, Alien Ant Farm did that fun Michael Jackson cover, but since then I've heard nothing that makes me want to hear them. Though they were decent when I saw them live last year on the Warped Tour.

 

Anyways, I had an annoying argument with a cousin of mine a couple months back. I mentioned that I hosted a punk rock show on our campus radio station. He asked me what kind of punk I played and I said "Ramones, the Clash..." So he butts in with "The Ramones? They're not punk!" I was like "um, yeah...whatever. They were only the first punk band..."

[Guest converge241]

I had a similar conversation the other day.  There's a girl at work who has a thing for me, so I decided to talk to her and see if perhaps something couldn't be worked out.  The conversation turned to music--it always does when I'm talking to a prospective sexual partner, as it's important for them to alienate me as quickly as possible--and she mentioned how she likes all this punk rock.  My interest piqued, I asked for specific bands.  Well, you know...it was the usual suspects:  Blink 182, Green Day, Sum 41, etc.  She went on to mention how she loves this album of punk bands covering mainstream radio hits.  I was taken aback, to say the least.  Shitty local punk bands thinking they're all subversive and hip because they play a shitty punk cover of "Genie in a Bottle" is not cool or interesting in any way.  I managed to contain my derision to a reasonable extent, though.  I also offered to let her borrow a Clash album.  

 

Come to think of it, my conversation wasn't all that similar to yours.  I just needed to get it off my chest.

 

well i was always trying to decide if you were Barry or Dick or Rob from High Fidelity (movie instead of book for visuals). you are absolutely Barry.

 

 

in the argument , I just hate the idea that sales/popularity has to equal quality. people who havent heard of something before who assume its not good because its not widespread.

 

my other peeve is playing a cd for someone (usually in the car) and this happens:

me: here check this out

them: this is great!!!

me: you like that?

them: yeah! who is it?

me: its (so and so)

them: awww you have to be kidding! im not listening to this!

[Guest CoreyLazarus416]

People that assume a band's bad simply because they're not on MTV every other hour piss me off almost as much as people that think a movie's bad simply because it's in wide-screen and/or in black and white. Ex: This kid I know named Chris Barlow.

 

I don't think it's any mystery that Kevin Smith's best 2 films so far have been Clerks and Chasing Amy (such is the general consensus, as those 2 are equally referred to as his best). Now, Chris Barlow refuses to watch Clerks because, as he put it: "dude, it's in black and white, so it blows."

 

Then again, he's in the worst pop/punk band ever, and considers The Ataris and Without Andy to be the greatest bands today, so fuck him.

[Guest]

Well, seeing as I'm involved in music, this sems like a good thread to post on

 

ok i was working out and on the weight room's radio, Linkin Park's "In the End" came on, and my friend threw on his Master of Puppets CD, one tool stood upo and sai, hey thats the best-written song of all time, I was in a middle of a set, I almost died while dropping the weights

 

LOL.  Some people....The thing about Zep was funny too.

 

muzan, I can think of a metal guitarist that you probably couldn't argue much against: John Petrucci!

 

A-MUDDAFUGGIN-MEN~!  I'm a huge DT mark, and if anyone tries to tell me metal bands can't play or Noel Gallagher or whoever is the greatest guitarist on the planet, I'll be forced to put on the Live Scenes From New York DVD and make them watch ALL OF IT, and make sure their eyelids are stapled open when Dance Of Eternity, Voices and A Change Of Seasons are on

 

Hendrix is the most influential and most orignal guitar player that has ever existed.

 

Hmm, I'd say someone like Frank Zappa was possibly more original and experimental, but there's no doubt that Jimi influenced more people thand nearly anyone else (even though it can all be traced back to the likes of Charlie Christian )

 

ERIC CLAPTON!!! (bit biased, but still...Layla is an awesome solo)

 

Actually, Clapton didn't play the solo on that song, it was Duane Allman.  Common misconception.

 

I'll play jazz devil's advocate here... what about Django Reinhardt? Nobody anymore seems to give this guy the credit he deserves... hell most people don't even know who he is.

 

Can't believe the guy only had two fingers on his fretboard hand...amazing.

 

Erm, can't really say more than that

 

Neil

[Guest redbaron51]

if you watched Eric Clapton and friends then you know what I am talking about, Clapton is amazing.

 

I also hate when people say Stairway to Heaven is the greatest guitar solo of all time. Its not even great, or hard. The only reason why its so popular is because Stairway is the most over-Damned-played song ever.

[Guest Edwin MacPhisto]

my other peeve is playing a cd for someone (usually in the car) and this happens:

me: here check this out

them: this is great!!!

me: you like that?

them: yeah! who is it?

me: its (so and so)

them: awww you have to be kidding! im not listening to this!

 

See, this is why I lie.  I make up a name for the band.

 

Step 1: Friend hates Weezer because of the emo image.

Step 2: Friend is in car when Pinkerton comes up on the CD changer, and "Tired of Sex" starts to rock.

Step 3: Friend says "What is this?  I like that drum sound..."

Step 4: Think fast!  "Uh...it's..."

Step 5: Look at dashboard!  REVELATION~! "...it's, uh, Odometer.  Indie rock."

Step 6: "Nice.  Burn me a copy?"  VICTORY~!

[Guest Kinetic]

well i was always trying to decide if you were Barry or Dick or Rob from High Fidelity (movie instead of book for visuals). you are absolutely Barry.

I'm totally Rob, right down to the half-hearted self-loathing.  Barry is obnoxious and gregarious, which are two adjectives I've never heard used to describe me in real life.  I can see how you might get that impression from my board persona, though.  That's the thing that made High Fidelity resonate so much with me.  I, along with thousands of other record geeks, am that lead character.

[Guest]

Okay, you people know an awful lot about music, much more than I, and more than our Baron of Entertainment Jingus could handle. We need a Councillor of music, in order to make entreaties such as these reality:

 

"What the fuck is wrong with queen? Seriously it is such a mindfuck for me to even contemplate people listening to all the watered down whiny rock like nickelback and puddle of mudd and not seeing right through it. It's complete drivel. Alien Ant Farm should have an order taken out against them so they don't ever get inside a studio again. Nothing, NOTHING distinguishes them from anyone else. Attitude is the worst song ever released commercially, i think. There i go again wearing a hole in my soapbox. But it really, REALLY pisses me off. FUCK!"

 

We feel your pain, saturnmark4life. That is why we in the Abbey Party are asking all of you, the fine music conoisseurs of the SmartMark board, to consider a position as Councillor of Music. Perks include free everything, a nice cushy building for your offices, and a private army consisting of seven platoons from the finely trained State of America army. Just a consideration for all of you.

 

In order to add something for the thread, I will make this statement: I was aghast when a girl I know told me to immediately change my music when I would play anything older than 10 years that wasn't recently used in a movie when we did Talk over AIM. She talked smack about "Rhinestone Cowboy" and "Ballad of the Green Berets!" Tsk tsk. Youth today.

[Guest muzanisa]

Actually Django is who I mention when people bring up hendrix et al as the greatest ever.

[Guest redbaron51]

I didn't say he was great, but most influential, hell I already know there are better guitarist than him.

 

And with Zappa being more original....I don't know really, because there were a lot of guitarists that had their own unique stuff in a way, minus Jimmy Page

[Guest Insanityman]

Whoa... whoa, I don't share any of the opinions in my first post... my friend thinks that Limp Buscuit is more metal than Slayer, and that linkin park is better than Nirvana, etc. It just ticked me off when she took it too personal.

[Guest converge241]

I'm totally Rob, right down to the half-hearted self-loathing.  Barry is obnoxious and gregarious, which are two adjectives I've never heard used to describe me in real life.  I can see how you might get that impression from my board persona, though.  That's the thing that made High Fidelity resonate so much with me.  I, along with thousands of other record geeks, am that lead character.

 

well you arent obnoxious , thats what made it hard to pick. Im halfway between Rob and Dick. Dick in the way of way too obsessive about my collection (in a non obnoxious way) and generally quiet , Rob for running my own store before and the self destruction/self loathing, living life like a child sometimes. In a pinch Id have to go with Dick.

 

At least we're not Ians! lol.

(as others totally miss joke)

[Guest Edwin MacPhisto]

But is it Ian, or is it Ray?  Heh.

[Guest]

Uh...What's this post about? People who like music more than other people's music? Or something...

[Guest Renegade]

Perhaps if you took time to read the thread you would understand

[Guest Edwin MacPhisto]

Going back to something Kinetic said in the second post on this thread: punk kids.  Okay, this is something that REALLY pisses me off.  I'm not talking about the "We love Blink!" teenybopper TRL set.  I'm talking about the nose-ring, plaid pants, suspenders, and spikes-wearing crowd who don't bathe and act "punk" all the time.

 

Seriously, people.  This isn't "punk."  This is imitating what the punk scene looked like in 1977.  The fact that you run around kicking over trash cans, spilling things and farting in department stores, and throwing rocks at well-dressed people does not make you a punk: it makes you a dumb-ass.

 

That is all.