Holy S@#$ ! When it rains, it pours.

[Guest Austin3164life]

Another sad aspect about this whole situation is that most great men in history (in this case, wrestling history), are best remembered by what they do at the end of their careers.  Now everyone's going to remember Austin for leaving the WWE.  Plus, everyone's going to block out his legacy, a huge one I might add.....

[Guest Army Eye]

now Meltzer has it back up, with slightly different wording

[Guest Kahran Ramsus]

Foley has a job.  He's the host of Robot Wars: Extreme Warriors.

[Guest Downhome]

And Test is still gainfully employed.

 

::sigh::

At least Test shows up for work, is dedicated enough to do what they say, and doesn't beat women.

[Guest Ash Ketchum]

For those who said Foley left because of bad booking and was screwed over:

 

*laughs at them*

 

Foley never got screwed over. He practically left on his won terms. And he retired because of all the injuries and just the fact he was gettin' kinda old. So there.

[Guest Austin3164life]

And Test is still gainfully employed.

 

::sigh::

At least Test shows up for work, is dedicated enough to do what they say, and doesn't beat women.

Let's compare this to the movie Boiler Room.  I just thought of this so bear with me.....

 

This is basically what happened to Steve Austin in the WWE.  He was the #1 man in the company, the best wrestler (w/Angle), and made the most money.  He had just put over Chris Jericho as the 1st ever Unified Champion (THe Greatest Honor in Wrestling History).  You still have a couple of good matches with Jericho, Angle, and one with Booker T.  All of a sudden, Vince hires three over-the-hill men, who have lost their edge by far, and are backstage problems.  They are systematically put into the Main Event spots that Austin should be in.  The Rock is made to look like Hogan's love-sick puppy, and Austin is made to look like a frustrated loser trying to cope with the nWo.  Austin, who openly does not like these three men, takes off for about two weeks and tells the owner he needs to straighten things out with Austin himself.  After a couple of weeks off, Austin comes back but only finds himself punished in the storylines by working with Bradshaw and.....the nWo.  He has a terrible match with a bloated Undertaker at Backlash.  Finally, feeling frustration, he is put into a simmering feud with Eddie Guerrero and Chris Benoit, which is not written or booked very well.  It evolves into another employee vs. owner feud (with Ric Flair).  You have one very good technical match, yet short, and things seem to look up.  Out of nowhere, management tells you to work a match and put over a still very much green Brock Lesnar.  You are highly regarded as a legend and you are a huge star, and Lesnar is still working his way up.  You're not used to wrestling guys who haven't earned their way to the top.  Finally, an old rival (HBK) comes back, and takes shots at your legacy.  Months of frustration builds up, your pissed about your dimming placement in the company you helped keep afloat, you see four guys get all of this camera time which you still should get.  So you just take what's yours, and leave the company.......

[Guest Austin3164life]

X out that Boiler Room comparison line.......

[Guest Downhome]

And Test is still gainfully employed.

 

::sigh::

At least Test shows up for work, is dedicated enough to do what they say, and doesn't beat women.

Let's compare this to the movie Boiler Room.  I just thought of this so bear with me.....

 

This is basically what happened to Steve Austin in the WWE.  He was the #1 man in the company, the best wrestler (w/Angle), and made the most money.  He had just put over Chris Jericho as the 1st ever Unified Champion (THe Greatest Honor in Wrestling History).  You still have a couple of good matches with Jericho, Angle, and one with Booker T.  All of a sudden, Vince hires three over-the-hill men, who have lost their edge by far, and are backstage problems.  They are systematically put into the Main Event spots that Austin should be in.  The Rock is made to look like Hogan's love-sick puppy, and Austin is made to look like a frustrated loser trying to cope with the nWo.  Austin, who openly does not like these three men, takes off for about two weeks and tells the owner he needs to straighten things out with Austin himself.  After a couple of weeks off, Austin comes back but only finds himself punished in the storylines by working with Bradshaw and.....the nWo.  He has a terrible match with a bloated Undertaker at Backlash.  Finally, feeling frustration, he is put into a simmering feud with Eddie Guerrero and Chris Benoit, which is not written or booked very well.  It evolves into another employee vs. owner feud (with Ric Flair).  You have one very good technical match, yet short, and things seem to look up.  Out of nowhere, management tells you to work a match and put over a still very much green Brock Lesnar.  You are highly regarded as a legend and you are a huge star, and Lesnar is still working his way up.  You're not used to wrestling guys who haven't earned their way to the top.  Finally, an old rival (HBK) comes back, and takes shots at your legacy.  Months of frustration builds up, your pissed about your dimming placement in the company you helped keep afloat, you see four guys get all of this camera time which you still should get.  So you just take what's yours, and leave the company.......

Ok, so what's your point? Sounds more to me like a guy who simply got pissed off because he wasn't the #1 guy for a few months after being on top for many years, and simply walked out on everyone who ever helped him, and made him what he is today...

 

...so no, he has no excuse. I already explained earlier in this thread why they asked him to job to Lesnar, with good reason. Oh yeah, as far as his program with Eddy and Benoit goes, Austin ASKED to be put into that program because he wanted to work with great performers for a change, remember?

 

Simply put, Austin is f*cked up in the head, and it became too much for his mentality to bare. Like it or not, he was wrong, and if you can't see that, then you are far too much an Austin mark to even try to understand.

[Guest]

Police called to Austin home last night

 

by Dave Meltzer

 

[email protected]

 

Police were called to the home of Steve Williams (Steve Austin) at 4 a.m. last night when wife Debra called claiming she had been attacked. Steve was gone by the time police arrived, and saw Debrfa with a welt under her left eye and bruises to her shoulders and back. She told the police she was reluctant to call because of her husband's celebrity status but that things like this had happened before. This was reported earlier tonight on the KMOL News (NBC affiiliate) in San Antonio.

 

Thanks to Patty Therre, Nick Warmack and Brad Hughes"

 

 

So now it appears that Austin has some deeper issue, and I think this may be an issue that points to the whole Austin thing being legit. Either that or it was a work and he screwed up, either way its not a good thing. If this is true I just lost all respect for Steve as a preformer and a person. Any many that lays a hand on a women should be strung up. Especially an alleged repeat offender.

You know things are fuct up when...

 

Can you imagine if all of this WAS a work? How sick can Vince be, if so? I mean, last time I checked - I thought that Austin *legally* changed his surname from Williams to Austin.. So if this is true, why would they report the name as Williams?

 

Just a thought..

[Guest WWF4Life]

Dude, it's a shoot, get over it. Unless Vince wants Austin to do a wife-beater gimmick, what would the point be?

 

Just don't be too surprised when Austin is on the next episode of Cops.

[Guest bob_barron]

This is just so surreal- its so sad seeing a legend fall like this. If the allegations turn out to be true then Stone Cold is a very pscylogically troubled person who has a lot issues needed to be sorted out. The fact that he took all this out on a poor defenceless women is inexcuseable and Austin is a sick fuck for doing so. I dont see how ANYONE can defend him now.

 

I think this walking out thing was more than about creative direction- its something much worse.

[Guest Quik]

"Sir, have you been drinking tonite?"

"What?"

"License and registration please."

"What?"

"Step out of the car please."

"What?"

[Guest bob_barron]

AustinHHH 4 life-

 

This is a thread about Austin on the run for beating his wife while you're trying to turn it into a why austin was right for quitting- I mean there's like eight other threads for that.

[Guest hockeytown9321]

Seriously, is Austin a fugitive right now?

[Guest caboose]

Dude, it's a shoot, get over it. Unless Vince wants Austin to do a wife-beater gimmick, what would the point be?

I hate the word 'shoot'.

When people say 'shoot' they should only use it in the context of a wrestling environment.

Austin beating Debra is not a shoot, it's real life, and one man's life is going to hell isn't a shoot, it's real life.

[Guest WWF4Life]

I hate the word 'shoot'.

When people say 'shoot' they should only use it in the context of a wrestling environment.

Austin beating Debra is not a shoot, it's real life, and one man's life is going to hell isn't a shoot, it's real life.

I used 'shoot' because it fitted the context of the previous reply. I'm sorry if you were offended, but I think we all realise this is a real life situation.

[Guest Hogan Made Wrestling]

I'm surprised Anglesault hasn't blamed this on the kliq yet...

[Guest franchise632]

by Dave Meltzer

 

[email protected]

 

Regarding the Steve Austin situation from last night. We had confirmed with KMOL, the NBC affiliate in San Antonio, last night that they reported the story after getting several e-mails about the report. Last night, because we were unable to talk with anyone from the station to get any more details other than confirmation of what was reported, nor able to get a police report and was told one would likely be available in the morning. We were unable to talk with a reporter until the morning. After talking with San Antonio police at 3 A.M. Central time last night, I took the report down since I was led to believe there would be more details forthcoming in the morning. As every reporter who contacted me last night knew, there was no question that the station reported the story. There have been no charges filed as of one hour ago.

 

So apparently the story is true. I know fully stand behind my original statements. I had hoped all night it would be some big joke. But its not. Hopefully Steve gets the help that he needs, All the thing that have happend this last week dont just happen. There  has to be some pyschological things going on. I would imagine we would be hearing about a Steve Williams arrest or surrendering to police.

[Guest caboose]

I hate the word 'shoot'.

When people say 'shoot' they should only use it in the context of a wrestling environment.

Austin beating Debra is not a shoot, it's real life, and one man's life is going to hell isn't a shoot, it's real life.

I used 'shoot' because it fitted the context of the previous reply. I'm sorry if you were offended, but I think we all realise this is a real life situation.

i'm not trying to make an example of you, it's just when people use 'shoot' in the context of real situations like this Austin/Debra thing, it adds a cheap wrestling feel, when the situation goes beyond wrestling.

[Guest Jobber of the Week]

I'm surprised Anglesault hasn't blamed this on the kliq yet...

That is just SO wrong... And yet the dark side of me that laughs it shouldn't chuckles at the statement.

[Guest The Voices In Your Head]

When I first read this this morning, I was pretty shocked, and hoped it wasn't true. But I guess it is, and hopefully Steve Austin can get his problems sorted out, but taking his frustrations out on others is simply wrong. After reading about all of this, I feel just a little guilty for having a What? shirt.

[Guest alfdogg]

I'm surprised Anglesault hasn't blamed this on the kliq yet...

Only you would bait Anglesault in a topic like this.

[Guest pinnacleofallthingsmanly]

If Austin really is on the run from the police, I hope this situation has a peaceful resolution and everything turns out for the better.

[Guest]

All the shit is hitting the  fan now huh...

 

Do they know if Austin surrendered or was caught by police yet?

[Guest CanadianChris]

Do they know if Austin surrendered or was caught by police yet?

Well, if the story is accurate, Debra didn't press charges, so the police wouldn't have any reason to be looking for Austin.

[Guest]

There's obviously deeper personal issues going on with Steve Williams that have nothing to do with creative differences, and, like others have said, I hope he gets the help he needs.

[Guest whatitistoburn]

[sigh]

 

The only good thing to come out of my little podunk texas town ends up having a mental breakdown only to prove how fucked up people really can be.  Makes me sad.

 

I don't hate the character nor the performer of Steve Austin.

 

But I'm not to fond of Steve Williams as a human.

[Guest TheHulkster]

I don't care how many ***** matches Austin has had, or how much money he drew, Steve Austin, a 250lb man, struck a 130lb woman several times, his own wife, leaving her bruised and crying, and then running off like a piece of shit. I have no respect for Steve Austin, and I will never have any for him again. There is absolutely no excuse for that shit and I don't wish that he gets better. I hope he rots in a jail cell like the piece of shit that he is.

[Guest]

I don't care how many ***** matches Austin has had, or how much money he drew, Steve Austin, a 250lb man, struck a 130lb woman several times, his own wife, leaving her bruised and crying, and then running off like a piece of shit. I have no respect for Steve Austin, and I will never have any for him again. There is absolutely no excuse for that shit and I don't wish that he gets better. I hope he rots in a jail cell like the piece of shit that he is.

 

I can understand posts like this, but I'm looking at it in that the Steve Williams of recent months is not the same man of recent years. From what we know, the man who just beat up a woman half his size is not the kind of man Steve Williams (I refuse to call him Austin when talking about this; "Austin" is a fictional character, and what has happened is very, very real) was until a couple of months ago. It wasn't like he was always an evil and heartless human being. Something is fucked up in that guy's mind, and I do hope it gets fixed before any further damage is done.

 

Now, if time reveals that Williams has a history of this kind of abuse, then that's a different matter. That appears not to be the case, however. Does this mean I want to see him back on my TV? No. I do want to see a very troubled human being taken care of, though, and wishing for him to be thrown in jail and rot forever is a far too simplistic an answer to a very complex problem.

[Guest RetroRob215]

I don't care how many ***** matches Austin has had, or how much money he drew, Steve Austin, a 250lb man, struck a 130lb woman several times, his own wife, leaving her bruised and crying, and then running off like a piece of shit. I have no respect for Steve Austin, and I will never have any for him again. There is absolutely no excuse for that shit and I don't wish that he gets better. I hope he rots in a jail cell like the piece of shit that he is.

First of all, 130lbs?  Gimme a break.

 

Secondly, Steve Williams isn't the man he used to be.  He is obviously going through many other personal problems.  We don't know what these problems are, but judging by wrestling's track record it could be substance abuse or even alcholism.  We shouldn't pass judgement on what he did when he wasn't in the right state of mind.  As far as I'm concerned, when Steve is all with it, he is a great guy.  He may need therapy or rehab to get back to where he once was and he shouldn't be denied that.