Guest Brian Posted July 1, 2002 Report Posted July 1, 2002 I still have yet to see Angle actually carry the flow and psychology of a match. I see him bump like hell, but everything still hasn't come together. Considering DVDVR guys still think he's top fifty worker after they horribly overrated him for the last period (but didn't change his position despite the weaker field which is quite tongue in cheek) is very good on his part, but I still think he's not as well rounded of a wrestler as everyone praises him for being at this point. Jericho when he's on is more deserving of the praise.
Guest pinnacleofallthingsmanly Posted July 1, 2002 Report Posted July 1, 2002 Will someone please ban this fucking troll?
Guest Nezbyte Posted July 1, 2002 Report Posted July 1, 2002 Will someone please ban this fucking troll? Yay, someone else agrees!
Guest Anglesault Posted July 1, 2002 Report Posted July 1, 2002 We were talking about wrestling, right? Storm may have been in a bull segment but, who knows, maybe they're letting this thing build properly He fought Mark Henry in some go-no where segment. Are you ready for the Big Storm/Henry feud? Jericho is gonna get into a feud with a "WWE BOY" (ie; someone who will be a ME guy, wether all you smarks like it or not - good thing i like it) so it can only help in ... in theory. Yes, getting speared for two months and losing in the end will do WONDERS for Jericho. [/sarcasm] Test entertains me, if you dont like it, change the channel when he comes on. Hey, you're a masochist. Whatever floats your boat
Guest Some Guy Posted July 1, 2002 Report Posted July 1, 2002 Brian's a troll? I don't think that WWF lets Angle work to his full potential. he is an ameteur wrestler who constantly brags about it yet he rarely gets to show his skills. Dames who can carry Albert to a **** match? The only guy I can think of who would be capable is unable to wrestle because of his back problems. No one could carry big, lumbering dolts like HBK. I don't think that Eddy, Benoit, Angle, Bret, Flair, etc.. could get a great match out of Albert.
Guest SuperTonyJaymz Posted July 1, 2002 Report Posted July 1, 2002 You know a bad thing...AS makes me like Angle even less...
Guest Nezbyte Posted July 1, 2002 Report Posted July 1, 2002 You know a bad thing...AS makes me like Angle even less... I was hoping some one else felt like that. Oh yeah, AS, I LOVE THE PAIN.
Guest Brian Posted July 1, 2002 Report Posted July 1, 2002 "I don't think that WWF lets Angle work to his full potential. he is an ameteur wrestler who constantly brags about it yet he rarely gets to show his skills." The only time Angle's actually ever had that opportunity is at WrestleMania, and givne Benoit was carrying him from start to finish (and if you don't believe, watch the match), and Angle can't build a match around mat wrestling. First off, it's difficult for anyone; second, Angle's strength is bumping; and third, I don't think Angle can do it.
Guest Some Guy Posted July 1, 2002 Report Posted July 1, 2002 I've watched it and I don't think that Benoit carried the first part of the match. Benoit did carry the rest, but Angle took Benoit through the mat sequence. Benoit held his own but it was obvious who knew more about what they were doing. And I didn't say that he should build a match around ameteur wrestling but it could set up teh psychology of the match. They do a mat sequence and then Angle can go to the ankle. It would also get Angle more over if he were allowed to take HHH to school on the mat.
Guest Masked Heel Posted July 1, 2002 Report Posted July 1, 2002 Although i think Cena is as ready for the big show as any of the wwe talent they are bringing up if i'm not mistaken he is currently the OVW champion so that may have been why he went back instead of staying with the big boys
Guest caboose Posted July 1, 2002 Report Posted July 1, 2002 AngleSault, you really need to stop shitting on every wrestler thats not Kurt Angle. John Cena is a rookie, first time on television and he had a good match. Give him some fucking credit. Of course he was in the ring with Kurt Angle who is an extremely talented wrestler. But Kurt Angle CANNOT wrestle by himself. Undertaker steps in the ring with Angle, and we get crap. Hogan squared off against Angle and the match sucked. Cena steps up and the match was good. Edge had good matches with Kurt Angle as well. So doesn't this seem to suggest that even Angle needs a workable opponent to have a good match?
Guest fazzle Posted July 1, 2002 Report Posted July 1, 2002 Dames who can carry Albert to a **** match? Well, I sure as hell wouldn't call it ****, but friggin Kane carried Albert to a pretty good match, so it seems like someone SHOULD be able to carry Albert to near **** at least.
Guest Some Guy Posted July 1, 2002 Report Posted July 1, 2002 Kane and Albert worked together about 100 times last year, they were bound to pull a rabbit out their hat and have a good match eventually. I don't think anyone in the WWF today can carry that guy to a great match.
Guest fazzle Posted July 1, 2002 Report Posted July 1, 2002 Kane and Albert worked together about 100 times last year, they were bound to pull a rabbit out their hat and have a good match eventually. Now that's just a lame bullshit excuse. Where was the single good match out of the Kane/UT/Austin stuff that main evented shows all the damn time?
Guest Anglesault Posted July 1, 2002 Report Posted July 1, 2002 AngleSault, you really need to stop shitting on every wrestler thats not Kurt Angle. John Cena is a rookie, first time on television and he had a good match. Give him some fucking credit. Yes, i suppose you are right. But that doesn't mean this thing has to turn into a feud, either, especially after Angle had "Make people look good" feuds for three months this year.
Guest Brian Posted July 1, 2002 Report Posted July 1, 2002 Austin/Undertaker at SummerSlam was decent, and considering both guys were injured it was probably better than it should have been.
Guest Some Guy Posted July 1, 2002 Report Posted July 1, 2002 Kane and Albert worked together about 100 times last year, they were bound to pull a rabbit out their hat and have a good match eventually. Now that's just a lame bullshit excuse. Where was the single good match out of the Kane/UT/Austin stuff that main evented shows all the damn time? There wasn't, but what does that have to do with Albert? Kane and Albert were trying very hard at teh time and feuding over the title. They had one good match, that was more of a fluke than anything considering how bad their other matches were. Obviously since Albert is MIA these days he failed to impress the WWF with his ring work.
Guest Nezbyte Posted July 1, 2002 Report Posted July 1, 2002 AngleSault, you really need to stop shitting on every wrestler thats not Kurt Angle. John Cena is a rookie, first time on television and he had a good match. Give him some fucking credit. Yes, i suppose you are right. But that doesn't mean this thing has to turn into a feud, either, especially after Angle had "Make people look good" feuds for three months this year. Who said feud? Who? Not that i wouldnt mind, especially since with Angle supposidly up for the belt, it'd boost the kid up into the spotlite.
Guest Anglesault Posted July 1, 2002 Report Posted July 1, 2002 Who said feud This whole thign started when I said Angle shouldn't be facing Cena at Unforgiven. And as for Angle facing Cena for the belt, I think Angle needs to go voer big names so he looks like a credible champ first.
Guest SuperTonyJaymz Posted July 1, 2002 Report Posted July 1, 2002 The way I see it, AS is Jim Ross and Kurt Angle is Albert. Pushing a hoss down our throats, 24/7:Anglesault
Guest fazzle Posted July 1, 2002 Report Posted July 1, 2002 Kane and Albert worked together about 100 times last year, they were bound to pull a rabbit out their hat and have a good match eventually. Now that's just a lame bullshit excuse. Where was the single good match out of the Kane/UT/Austin stuff that main evented shows all the damn time? There wasn't, but what does that have to do with Albert? Kane and Albert were trying very hard at teh time and feuding over the title. They had one good match, that was more of a fluke than anything considering how bad their other matches were. Obviously since Albert is MIA these days he failed to impress the WWF with his ring work. It has to do with Albert because I was making a point that fighting each other often won't cause a fluke good match to come out of your ass. It was that they were working hard and trying to put on a good match, and one came out. So, then, if someone like say...Benoit, Angle, Jericho, etc, were working hard with Albert, then a good match COULD come out of it. I'm not trying to defend Albert here, cause I sure as hell am not a fan of his(put on a shirt or fucking shave!), but I do think that when he's motivated, he can be one of the better big men in the company. Oh, and he jobbed to Tajiri on Velocity, so, he's not MIA, just really really pushed down.
Guest Some Guy Posted July 1, 2002 Report Posted July 1, 2002 When is Velocity on? They worked together numerous times and had the oppurtunity to piece together a decent match and delivered one good match. I doubt that if Albert was just thrown in with someone (like Angle and Cena were) that anyone would be able to pull a good match out of him.
Guest fazzle Posted July 1, 2002 Report Posted July 1, 2002 Well, yeah, I do agree with you that nobody could be thrown at him and have a good match. There's no doubt that a good portion of it is would be them getting used to working with each other, and knowing how to play off each other. But at the same time, it's still not a "fight a whole lot and eventually a good match is guaranteed to happen" thing, which is what I was originally refuting. And Velocity is Saturday at 10 PM.
Guest Spicy McHaggis Posted July 1, 2002 Report Posted July 1, 2002 Considering DVDVR guys still think he's top fifty worker after they horribly overrated him for the last period (but didn't change his position despite the weaker field which is quite tongue in cheek) is very good on his part, but I still think he's not as well rounded of a wrestler as everyone praises him for being at this point. DVDVR guys are puro-biased morons. And besides, how can you possibly overrate Kurt f'n Angle?
Guest TheDames7 Posted July 1, 2002 Report Posted July 1, 2002 Dames who can carry Albert to a **** match? I'm trying to dispute AS's claim that Angle can carry anyone to a good match, regardless of his opponent, based on his criteria. He's saying that Cena had NO involvement in their great match and that it was all Angle...well, if thats the case, lets see Angle carry Albert and the other guys that I mentioned to a match that's just as good. That's what I'm saying. Dames
Guest Brian Posted July 1, 2002 Report Posted July 1, 2002 How can anyone who watches as much stuff as they do not be puro-biased? Generally they produce more MOTYC, better match, and better workers because they're given free-range to work and, generally, more time. Plus the focus is on in-ring work. It's like when people say they're biased to indy workers. Thye have more opportunities than the WWE guys. It's hard to judge a guy based on what he can do unless he's extremely handcuffed. You can easily overrate Angle? Anywhere in the top forty in the world would be overrated. He's a great worker, but he's not the incredible, well-rounded, excellent guy everyone seems to praise him for being.
Guest Some Guy Posted July 1, 2002 Report Posted July 1, 2002 I agree with you on that Dames. But Angle and Val Venis (who you mentioned) could probably have a **** star match. I've been sticking up for Cena too.
Guest Spicy McHaggis Posted July 1, 2002 Report Posted July 1, 2002 He's a great worker, but he's not the incredible, well-rounded, excellent guy everyone seems to praise him for being. You're out of your mind.
Guest TheDames7 Posted July 2, 2002 Report Posted July 2, 2002 I agree with you on that Dames. But Angle and Val Venis (who you mentioned) could probably have a **** star match. I've been sticking up for Cena too. True, but I mentioned him because he fit AS's criteria, hasn't had a **** match yet and has been in the ring with Angle before. Dames
Guest Brian Posted July 2, 2002 Report Posted July 2, 2002 For real, I'm trying to start a good, intelligent conversation. What makes Kurt Angle so good? What specifics? I'll go at why I like this guy. He's a fast learner. He bumps well, really well. But he doesn't carry the flow of matches and such. Maybe it's because he doesn't have control of offense enough, but he doesn't do it all. I
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