Guest Nevermortal Posted August 21, 2002 Report Posted August 21, 2002 Since '97, Hell in a Cell has been my favorite gimmick match. Although there was one glaring lowpoint (Taker/Bossman), every one of the matches has either been good or breathtaking. Anyway, I got a question, lets see if anyone can answer it.. Who's idea was it in the first place? I have a hunch that it might've been the wrestlers' idea, but I'm not totally sure. So yeah there's my question, but feel free to use this thread as a discussion about the oft-glorious HIAC!
Guest the pinjockey Posted August 21, 2002 Report Posted August 21, 2002 In Foley's book he says it was planned for him and Austin and he did not mention that he came up with it so it was probably Austin or the office. The HIAC is the best gimmick they have in the arsenal right now because they don't use it every two months. I was worried when they had HHH/Jericho HIAC, because there was no reason for it to be in the cell with no build up at all. I figured that would be the beginning of making HIAC just like ladder matches, but they haven't used it again so hopefully they realize not to kill it.
Guest Brian Posted August 21, 2002 Report Posted August 21, 2002 But that doesn't mean they should use it every time they can't think of a gimmick. BTW, another thing that has me pumped about this show is no gimmick matches, just straight-forward wrestling.
Guest the pinjockey Posted August 21, 2002 Report Posted August 21, 2002 "But that doesn't mean they should use it every time they can't think of a gimmick" Oh, I agree entirely I meant they realize not to kill the gimmick like they killed the ladder matches by having them for no reason, not killing it as in having it no more.
Guest Nevermortal Posted August 21, 2002 Report Posted August 21, 2002 The Ladder match was much much easier to overuse. A HIAC isn't, because for a ladder match, all you need is a ladder, whereas for a HIAC, you need a giant fucking cage. That takes time and transport and whatnot.
Guest Brian Posted August 21, 2002 Report Posted August 21, 2002 Still, it devalues the gimmick. We've seen something like three or four free TV ladder matches this year.
Guest RickyChosyu Posted August 21, 2002 Report Posted August 21, 2002 Still, HIAC doesn't mean nerely what it used to. The Taker/Bossman match, along with the six way in 2000 really killed it's believability as "the ultimate settler of feuds." Jericho/HHH is just another nail in the coffin, because there was no reason for it to be used in that match. I don't think transporting it around is an issue. The same could be said for a regular cage, and they have no problem wipping that gimick out for no particular reason ("hey, how about we have HHH/Angle in a cage, just because we can!"). I agree that the lack of gimick matches is one of the main reasons Summerslam looks so appealing right now. HIAC is fun to get excited about when it's a feud that everyone wants to see settled, but not when it's just thrown out there for the sake of popping a good buy-rate.
Guest Brian Posted August 21, 2002 Report Posted August 21, 2002 "Still, HIAC doesn't mean nerely what it used to. The Taker/Bossman match, along with the six way in 2000 really killed it's believability as "the ultimate settler of feuds." Jericho/HHH is just another nail in the coffin, because there was no reason for it to be used in that match." Unless, you know, Jericho won and turned face because of it.
Guest RickyChosyu Posted August 21, 2002 Report Posted August 21, 2002 Nah, couldn't have that at all. Actually, I remember in the Summer of 2000 when Jericho and HHH were feuding, I could honestly picture them having a HIAC match at Summerslam as the logical follow up to their Last Man Standing match at Fully Loaded. Too bad they had it two years too late, in a few no one cared about.
Guest FeArHaVoC Posted August 21, 2002 Report Posted August 21, 2002 I'm not sure who came up with it, but I remember from HBk's RF Shoot he said they wanted to use the "Big Blue Cage" and it was his idea to use the Mesh Cage because there was more spring to it and it could be used as a weapon more.
Guest Just call me Dan Posted August 21, 2002 Report Posted August 21, 2002 I don't remember Jericho/HHH HIAC getting much praise or much complaining. What would some of you give it and why did it just seem to be there and not much of an attention grabber?
Guest FeArHaVoC Posted August 21, 2002 Report Posted August 21, 2002 You're trusting HBK's shoot video? Good point. And for the record, I did happen to like Triple H/Jericho HIAC. I know there was some recycled spots and there wasn't any over the Top Bump, but the match was still good.
Guest AlwaysPissedOff Posted August 21, 2002 Report Posted August 21, 2002 Personally, I gave it maybe *** at best, but what really hurt it was all the plodding around by both guys and the anti-climatic finish.
Guest alfdogg Posted August 21, 2002 Report Posted August 21, 2002 I complained over the fact that HHH won when he had no reason to. As far as ratings, I'd have to watch it again.
Guest bob_barron Posted August 21, 2002 Report Posted August 21, 2002 I've only seen it once and I gave it ***1/2-****.
Guest TestKick Posted August 21, 2002 Report Posted August 21, 2002 There hasn't been a scaffold match for like 10 years. That's the match that is saved for the ultimate feud. Test vs. Angle, WM 20... with Angle taking the fall.
Guest bob_barron Posted August 21, 2002 Report Posted August 21, 2002 Actually TestKick the scaffold match was used at Fall Brawl 2000
Guest TestKick Posted August 21, 2002 Report Posted August 21, 2002 Ugh, I knew I should have been watching WCW then. Oh well. I forgot to mention, that's how Test should win the WCW title, that Shane promised him.
Guest Just call me Dan Posted August 21, 2002 Report Posted August 21, 2002 This thread has nothing to do with Test and you shouldn't be ruining countless discussion threads with your plodding gimmick posts. Please take your un-entertaining wastes of posts to some other forum where you can gloat about your love for Test where someone might care. Why do you think any of us care how you feel like Test enough to want to read each and every one of your posts that involves him. I am in no way anti-test but that is overkill, you are not funny.
Guest Nevermortal Posted August 21, 2002 Report Posted August 21, 2002 Scaffold matches suck. In fact the only decent one I've ever seen was Brian Lee vs. Tommy Dreamer, and that's only because they brawled for like 10 minutes before going up.
Guest Just call me Dan Posted August 21, 2002 Report Posted August 21, 2002 Thanks alf, I just get upset when this folder is dilluted with gimmick posts and off topic bullshit. Scaffold matches are a waste of time, IMO because there isn't room for a good match to be worked. It is essentially a brawl with a holy shit finish. Maybe good for the crowd, but there isn't much you can pull out on a scaffold as far as wrestling goes.
Guest TestKick Posted August 21, 2002 Report Posted August 21, 2002 But, the great thing about a scaffold match is the fall. That would be the ultimate point of excitement... much like how Foley made HITC what it means today.
Guest AlwaysPissedOff Posted August 21, 2002 Report Posted August 21, 2002 Christ... this guy is like a Bizarro World Anglesault. It's bad enough with just one obsessive poster, we don't need two.
Guest BionicRedneck Posted August 21, 2002 Report Posted August 21, 2002 This thread has nothing to do with Test and you shouldn't be ruining countless discussion threads with your plodding gimmick posts. Please take your un-entertaining wastes of posts to some other forum where you can gloat about your love for Test where someone might care. Why do you think any of us care how you feel like Test enough to want to read each and every one of your posts that involves him. I am in no way anti-test but that is overkill, you are not funny. I couldn't agree more. I don't mind Test fans, i really don't, but this gimmick is stale and unfunny.
Guest alfdogg Posted August 21, 2002 Report Posted August 21, 2002 I can't believe this idiot is being compared to AS.
Guest pinnacleofallthingsmanly Posted August 21, 2002 Report Posted August 21, 2002 The first HIAC match was great because nobody knew what to expect. It was all undiscovered territory, and everyone held their breath when they went to the top because nobody knew if they would actually fall off. The camera angles that they used made it seem like they were a mile up in the air. The Foley/Undertaker HIAC basically killed the match while making it. Nobody is going to be able to top that match because it's insane and unneccesary to try to take bigger bumps to make a better match. Foley was thrown off the top of the cage and through the announce table. Anyone who thinks they can top that must not value their life. Everyone expects a sick bump during a HIAC match now, and I think the match should be put back on the shelf and not be seen for a few years.
Guest Nevermortal Posted August 21, 2002 Report Posted August 21, 2002 Anglesault contributes far more than this motherfucker ever will.
Guest TestKick Posted August 21, 2002 Report Posted August 21, 2002 HHH/Jericho HITC I gave **1/2. That was the perfect example of rendering HITC meaningless. It was a glorified Hardcore match. Like whoever said before, HITC should only be used in extreme circumstance, and by insane people who are willing to risk their life and limb.
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