WrestlingDeacon

Uh....since when have I been black? (Unless you are referring to yourself being name Blackwell, but that's retarded even for Ash) But damn Edwin for figuring out my plans. *sends Lee Majors to kill Edwin with a shovel*

I'm bumping for more votes!

who was in Over the Top with SYLVESTER STALLONE! (and you could link Goulet a couple ways. He's guest starred on the Simpsons which had Bret Hart on it. He's guest starred on Boy Meet's World which has had Vader on it. He was in Beetlejuice, and there is a wrestler named Beetlejuice. Elvis hated him and there are several Elvis themed gus in wrestling today. I fact, I think I remember a promo where HTM said that he was no Robert Goulet or something along those lines.)

I too have to add to the Wonder Boys love. In fact, one of my professors at Pitt was the man the Michael Douglas character is based on, an author and teacher named Chuck Kinder. The book the film is based on was written by Pitt alumni Michael Chabon. I think the biggest trouble one gets into on a board like this is when opinion is stated as fact or someone attempts to beat another person over the head to get them to see their way of thinking. Basically, there's little you can do to change someone's mind through a message board. This has been one of the best and more interesting threads in awhile where we've discussed a broad section of movies in detail. In fact, I am encouraged to start posting analysis of mine of films once week, a sort of column if you will, starting sometime soon.

Smarks Board Name: WrestlingDeacon Wrestler’s Name: Frost (close friends may call him R.J., don't call him this unless I tell you you can. At this time only TNT and LDP are allowed.) Nickname: The Iceman from Iceland, The Velvet Hammer Height: 6 ft. 7 in. Weight: 296 lbs. Hometown: Reykjavik, Iceland Age: 28 Face/Heel: ass kicking face Stable: None Partners: None (will only tag with TNT or LDP at this time) Ring Escort: none Weapon(s): a good pane of glass every now and then Quote: “I warn you to be wary of the Touch of Frost or you shall face the consequences of an Early Winter.” "You've got a one way ticket on the job train." "I'm going to fold your ass sideways and cram you in the hurt locker." Calls people he doesn't like "Face" in a derogatory fashion. He'll never say it, but fans might have signs that read, "Frost is party!" Looks: Frost is a very physically intimidating monster with a broad, chiseled physique. He has closely cropped snow-white hair and piercing blue eyes. Three thick, wide scars run diagonally from his right shoulder to just below his ribcage on his chest, the aftermath of a polar bear attack during one of his many runs in the desolate tundra outside of Reykjavik. He wears dark blue, full length wrestling tights with silver flecks and white, standard wrestling boots to the ring. Ring Entrance: Silverish pyro explodes from the rafters as “Snowblind” by Black Sabbath starts on the sound system. A pale blue spotlight bathes the entrance stage and what appears to be snow flutters down from above onto the stage. Frost walks out from behind the curtain as the lyrics start to a huge pop. He’ll hold up one arm, fist clenched, to the crowd to signify the cheering and then starts a slow purposeful stride to the ring. He has a Frost Brand Cigar clenched in his teeth. Upon reaching the ring he’ll drop the cigar to the floor and grind it out with the heel of his boot. If he’s facing someone he really hates, he’ll flick the cigar at them while it’s still lit to pop the crowd again. Stats: ¯¯¯¯¯ Strength: 8 (anyone up to 350 lbs. is not a problem for him to put power moves on, after that it starts getting a little tougher. If you weigh under 215 lbs., he's just going to toss you around like a rag doll) Speed: 4 (he prefers a slow methodical pace in the ring, but has quick reflexes and is capable of quick bursts of speed. It's not unheard of for him to dodge a move or hit a move out of nowhere on a quick high flyer, but he's not doing it the whole match.) Vitality: 5 (You will not be able to wear him out in under ten minutes, say 3500 words, and he won't be really winded and tired until around the 30 minute mark, say 6000 words. Could get through an iron match if need be and don't forget that this man trains in the Icelandic winter.) Charisma: 3 (Monster face in the Kane mode. Fans react to him out of instinct and hatred for the men he’s facing. He will occaisonally play to crowds to get them riled up.) Style: He is a pure power wrestler with some light technical skill he can use if he has too, but he usually chooses not too. Frost is methodical and calculating in the ring with occasional bursts of deceptive quickness and agility for his size. He has also incorporated a few other moves outside of his basic base of power wrestling (top rope clothesline, sharpshooter) to keep opponents off guard. He fares best against power wrestlers with lesser attributes than he possesses, mat based grapplers and those who are considered “all-around” wrestlers. Although it is rare for Frost to go up against someone who can match or better his size and strength, those who can are capable of beating Frost with a taste of his own medicine as Frost is too stubborn to alter his basic attack. Lighter, aerial based wrestlers can also trouble Frost with their speed and unorthodox style. He is a Goliath that can be slain. Game Plan: Frost will use his strength to gain an early advantage in matches by hitting oppenents with big powers moves and stiff opening strikes (punches, clotheslines, whips, kicks, etc.) From their he generally likes to work on the neck and back of his opponents, but will take advantage of an existing injury or something he considers a weak point. Will move back to big power moves toward the end game of a match to fully wear his opponent out and set up the Early Winter. Will make a pin without resorting to the finisher, also consider the Snowblind and Snowplow as alternative finishers. Signature moves: (in order of most likely use in a match, but can be done anytime) 1) Airplane spin slam (followed by a spinning legdrop) 2) Irish whip into inverted DDT: Frost whips his opponent into the turnbuckles or other barrier chest first. He catches them under the neck on the bounce out and drops them to the mat with an inverted DDT. 3) Icelandic Backbreaker (hanging body vice) 4) Rock ‘n Roll the Dice (aka roll the dice or test drive, swinging inverted neckbreaker, but with most of the bump being taken on the nape of the neck rather than flat on the back) 5) Touch of Frost (heart punch-setup for the Early Winter) 6) Snow Plow (aka northern lights bomb, a body slam side piledriver) 7) Snow Blind (face first wheelbarrow powerbomb) Common moves: 1) Hands of Stone: Frost is a former amatuer boxer and knows how to throw a punch. Every punch is uber stiff and he will work a combo in if possible. Hooks, uppercuts, jabs and boxing footwork will be used early on to soften up opponents. Think 80's Mike Tyson. 2) Barrel Roll Slam (Razor Ramon’s modified fall away slam, most often used as a flying cross body counter) 3) Gorilla press slam 4) Face first drop to the turnbuckle (aka, Snake Eyes) 5) Tilt-a-whirl slam 6) Swinging neckbreaker 7) Gut wrench suplex 8) German suplex 9) Standing spinebuster 10) Brain buster suplex 11) Half Nelson bulldog 12) Slingshot suplex 13) Back breaker 14) Face breaker 15) Cobra clutch slam 16) Icelandic leg sweep (Face first Russian legsweep from Cobra clutch) 17) Hell Freezes Over: Back by popular demand. It's the stiffest fucking lariat you've ever seen. Would make Bradshaw say, "Damn, now that's a clothesline." Can be done straight, spinning, or short arm. 450 Marty Jannetty flip sell is appreciated. 18) Spinning Gordbuster (face first suplex) Rare moves: 1) top rope clothesline 2) Hammer Jammer (sharpshooter) 3) tombstone piledriver 4) top rope superplex 5) TFDB-Tom Flesher is a Douche Bag: Double handed spinning chokeslam off the top rope. Only to be used in extreme, high profile situations. Like the blowoff match to a big feud on a ppv. Primarily to be used against Tom Flesher. Finishers: 1) the Early Winter (Double underhook, sit down powerbomb where he holds on for the pin) 2) Cobra clutch 3) Choke Slam Notes: Frost is a quiet loner with no need for a manager, partner or second at ring side. He has very few friends in life and likes it that way. He has a low, throaty speaking style that is both menacing and eloquent. He speaks fluent English with only a mild European accent. Frost realizes the power of words in psyching out his opponents and always chooses what he says carefully for maxim impact. He is intelligent and observant, but pride and egotism often makes him shortsighted both in and out of the squared circle. He fears no one and does not like mind games, although he is more than capable of playing them on others and will if he sees it to his advantage. With his recent face turn, Frost is more introspective and well mannered than he has been in the past. Sometimes coming off like a Zen master. Extra Note: Frost has his own line of SWF sponsored cigars and Icelandic tacos. The line of Frost brand products grows by the hour. Bio: Born Robert Jackson Frost on January 9th 1975, the coldest recorded day in Icelandic history at 47 degrees below zero. His father, a sailor, was lost at sea when Frost was 3 and the kind love of his mother was then tempered with the steely edge of his grandfather. His grandfather began training Frost for a boxing career that never reached fruition at the tender age of eight, focusing on an exercising and training regime centered on working in the frozen outdoors. Frost took up amateur wrestling when he entered high school and used his size and strength to dominate the heavyweight division. He attended college at the prestigious University of Oslo in Norway. He was kicked off of the wrestling team there in his freshman year due to his increasingly brutal style that abandoned amateur technique for a more power based professional attack. He spent his remaining college years pursuing such diverse hobbies as chess, literature, weightlifting and taxidermy (Frost has said that the dead animals “speak” to him). His obvious intelligence and diligent work ethic allowed him to earn a masters degree in philosophy in only five years. He returned to Iceland where he entered the professional scene there and quickly rose to the top of the sport. Then current Icelandic champion and living legend, Peter “Iceberg” Nordstrom, picked the rookie Frost to be his tag team partner in a feud with the Icelandic tag team champs, the Silver Eagles. The two were triumphant against the Eagles’ and took their titles. The Eagles’ valet, Falcon, was seen on numerous occasions talking to Frost after this. She convinced Frost that Nordstrom was holding him back from taking his rightful place as the heavyweight champion and Frost turned on his partner in a rematch with the Eagles. This led to a match between Nordstrom and Frost. Frost not only beat Peter, but severely injured his back as well. Nordstrom was able to regain his title when he returned from his injury, but Frost won a second rematch and ended Nordstrom’s career by re-injuring the champ’s spinal column. Frost was then barred from Icelandic wrestling two months after this and stripped of his title due to malicious and conscious injury of other grapplers. While this sanctioning has seemingly calmed him in the ring, it is evident that his violent temper could resurface at any time. Since joining SJL: Frost quickly established himself as the premiere big man in the league racking up impressive victories over most of the SJL low carders. He came out on the good end of feuds with the now departed Vanguard and T-Bone (the latter collimating in the SJL’s first Window Pain match that ended with T-Bone taking a tombstone piledriver from the top of the ladder to a pane of glass set up on the floor). From there, Frost was firmly entrenched in the mid-card and began a single minded, obsessive quest for the European title. He viewed the belt as his birthright and felt that he was the only person in the SJL worthy enough to hold it. He finally received his shot against Deathwish Danny Williams and won in a brutal match with a surprise Early Winter. Frost held onto the belt with an iron grip and his love of the title could only be matched with his new found feelings for Sydney Sky. After much romancing, Sky finally fell in love with the brute and the two have embarked on a relationship. Since joining SWF: Charter member of the Magnificent 7. Formed a fairly succesful tag team with Mag 7 team member TNT known as Chilly Chilly Bang Bang. Participant in the first ever SWF War Games. Won the tag belts off of Edwin MacPhisto and Chris Raynor with TNT. Frost then entered into a feud with Ash Ketchum when he was determined to be the prime candidate for running him over with a car, but his first stab at redemption, a match in which Frost was handcuffed, ended with Ketchum being busted wide open with a set of industrial strength bolt cutters. After defeating the makeshift team of Xero and Danny Williams in a bomb shelter match at Apocalypse, Ash partnered with Xero in an attempt to wrestle the tag belts away from Chilly Chilly Bang Bang and continue his feud with the Icelandic Iceman. Although the team lost a tag match at Genesis, Ash did wrestle the Hardcore title away from Frost the following month at Dissention in the first (and hopefully last) Stash the Ash match. The team of Chilly Chilly Bang Bang lost the tag titles shortly before this to the Bermani Cross Wizards, followed by TNT taking a sabbatical from active duty. Frost then briefly feuded with CIA after he defeated Midnight Carnival stable leader, El Luchadore Magnifico, in a non-title match through interference from Sacred. Frost shot to the top of the SWF upon the new year, first winning the ICTV title from Orochi and then reclaiming the tag titles with Mag 7 leader Tom Flesher. Frost and Flesher were at odds for a long time with everything finally coming to a head at From the Fire when the pair lost the tag belts to stable mates Justice and Rule. Earlier in the night Frost lost the ICTV title to the returning Neilsen of the Jungle, but the grappler gave the belt back to Frost saying that he didn’t want it. These events led Frost to examine his life more closely and he decided to both vacate the ICTV title and quit the Mag 7, thereby turning face for the first time in the SWF. Frost then pursued revenge on Tom Flesher, being thwarted by him and the Mag 7 at every turn. After losing a triple threat against Flesher, which included TNT, at Battleground, Frost entered a deeply depressed funk. Commissioner Suicide King sent Longdogger Pete to Frost to help him regain his 'eye of the tiger' and they formed a loose tag team. After losing a title shot against Justice and Rule at 13th Hour, Frost returned to the singles ranks in the hopes of finally gaining revenge on Tom Flesher. Frost stooped to the Superior One's level in playing mind games to force him into a Windown Pain match at Ground Zero. Frost was victorious and his demons concerning his days as a member of the Mag 7 under Flesher's thumb laid to rest. Unfortunately, Frost's SWF contract expired and a new one could not be negotiated properly. Currently Frost is on an extensive tour of Japan, not knowing when and if he will return to the fed of his greatest triumphs.

If other future guest commentators are needed, I nominate the Memphis Eel. My apologies for my retirement messing up the number one contenders match, but in my defense I had this planned before the stip was added to Ground Zero and King was aware that I was thinking of quitting. I did not tell him officially though, because I didn't decide myself until my promo was posted. In light of what went down at the ppv, I think banning co-writes, at least for the time being, is a sound idea. Although, often times writers do a co-write not only to progress a storyline but to save time where they might not otherwise have time to write. It's a possibility that banning co-writes will increase no shows. Now excuse me while I play Devil's Advocate. *Cut to Frost at a pinball machine.*

I mentioned the Clarke thing as I noticed he reposted his stats in the new stats thread today and figured that he was active. Sorry, but I would double check with him.

In the US, the movie is known as "Victory" and you can note that it also stars Sylvester Stallone and Michael Caine. And how can you not note that it's directed by John Huston. It's a pretty good movie and I like it. It has a lot in common with The Longest Yard in the staging and how playing scenes are shot. You also have that "inmates vs. the guards" type storyline going on. If you like Victory, I highly recommend that you check out The Longest Yard.

I too love Wrath of Kahn and find it very underrated. It's not just a good sci-fi movie, but a good movie overall. Nicholas Meyer's direaction and writing is superb and Montalban is one of the few who could pull off the character and lines given him.

I guess I missed that, thanks for pointing out The Hustler. Personally I would have Hoosiers at four and Hoope Dreams way down the list.

I second the motion that we demote MVS back to the SJL for at least another year. Those in favor?

Thoth, I would also make sure that Z adds Jonathan Clarke to the list. He never gets booked and was not on the active roster I recieved when I booked my show awhile back. Also, hasn't Hybrid no showed all his matches? I say make a tag team out of him and Tokyo X.

I've seen most of those. There's a few on there I'm surprised by, such as Bingo Long and Grand Prix, which are actually decent little movies. I love The Longest Yard and North Dallas Forty. Slap Shot is awesome and I think it gets ranked so high as being about the only good and well-known hockey film. And if they consider dog shows to be a sport, then they have to consider pool, so why isn't The Hustler or Color of Money on the list anywhere? And Vision Quest? OMGWTFWWJD!

And the costume and fire spitting was Vince getting back at Steamer for leaving after Wrestlemania IV. Vince and Steamboat apparetly had heat over the issue of wrestling vs. entertainment and that's why McMahon never liked him too much. On an aside, one of the few people Verne Gagne stole from Vince was Sgt. Slaughter and see what happened to him upon his returun.

*Frost gives Wildchild the rub......WITH AN ATOMIC NOOGIE!* WC, know your role and shut your mouth.

Now, that I have recieved a few responses to the above, I would like to make a more personal statement. I have mentioned this to a few people in the past weeks, but I am just burned out on writing for the SWF at this time and really need to step away before I become more a detriment and not an asset to the fed. I have been writing week in and week out for over a year straight. In the SWF and SJL combined I think I've no showed three times and maybe asked for 6 or 7 shows off, most of them recently. I've also allowed other creative endeavors of mine to slip and would like to redevote myself to those. This not only includes writing for the SWF website, writing my EWR HSW diary and a movie analysis column, which I hope to start posting soon in the movies folder and from there maybe even on the smarks website proper, but the scripts and short stories that I hope to one day sell and make a living with. If I could make money writing wrestling matches, don't think I wouldn't. I have also started a new job in the past month and my time to write overall, let alone for the SWF, has been severly limited. I don't like to look at this as a retirement, more of a "sabbatical." But I have no idea when and if I will come back, if I do. I do plan on writing the occasional promo detailing Frost's tour of Japan and even now have several ideas that could lead to a returning storyline. As stated above, however, Frost's tour of Japan will last until the first of next year at the least. Thank you for all the positive comments thus far. Rest assured that I will still be around the boards, in chat and marking for the JL. Also, don't forget me come awards time next month. Ghey ass smiley face goes here.

All three of those were in my list of 100 films I think everyone should see from awhile back. I prefer An American in Paris to Singing in the Rain, because I find it to be more experimental and more emotional. The only negatives I can put on most Lean pictures is that they can seem overlong and drag down in spots due to heavy dialogue in order to get to the action.

Jannetty is still wrestling on the indepedant scene to my knowledge, going pretty much anywhere that will have him. I know he had a brief run in ECW and was featured on the Heroes of Wrestling ppv, tagging with Tommy Rogers against the SST, after the WCW run.

who was a road agent for the WWF for many years, as was RENE GOULET.

and Super Machine, with BLACKJACK MULLIGAN as Big Machine

who was the replacement for DEMOLITION AX.

Hines was a very underrated actor. I highly recommend watching Tap with him and Sammy Davis, Jr. Great little movie. I'm also a fan of the episode of Amazing Stories he did as a magic show psychic, The Amazing Farnsworth.

I think I should let the cat out of the bag and admit that my post from last night was a joke. I went into chat to celebrate being finished and when Judge asked me how long my match was I gave him that random number just to see the reaction. I was then encouraged to post the responses here to see what other would say. Specifically, we wanted to know Flesher's reaction. I imagined him reading the number "27,290" and his eyes spinning in his head like a slot machine, two cherries come up and walnuts shoot out of his mouth.

who won it off of Michaels, because he woldn't job it to VADER.

If you like a terrible movie for its cheesiness and humor, not at all. I am a conssiour of bad films and get a perverse pleasure out of the true stinkers I run across. I believe a person has to have a certain sense of humor and pop culture obsession (like me) to get into those movies in that manner though. There's also nothing wrong with liking diamonds in the rough or movies that might not have made a lot of money or were loved by critics. I'm a guy who can always find something in a film no matter how obscure that intrigues me or gets me thinking. If you like terrible movies and don't admit they're terrible, you have a problem. But it all comes down to how you define terrible. What's a 'terrible' movie that you love and why?