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Grap the Sipder German is you sitting on the top rope, facing out, with your legs hooked around the ropes. Opp also on the top, fall backwards with a German Suplex to the ring, you end up in a Tree of Woe style possition. So, just blame RAW for that one. Nothing major.

Hey, it'd be ratings mate.

Dude, just write. I figure, if you at least write something, you'll start to get into the flow of things. If you keep writing, and just ask for feedback, you'll get there. Sometimes you can surprise yourself with what you turn in. And winning a few while help your motivation. Not everything good has to come from hard way, long match wins (Just look at some of my title wins).

Hey, would you like some hosting for all those lists man?

This is one of the points where it comes down to how technical and detailed a picture of want of the move.

I've seen the video, it looks just like Z Barr's Fluff to me. He has his arm around the guy's neck while he's face up. If both where full standing it that position, it would be an inverted headlock. Meh, just sits better with me.

I have no idea. I've heard something from Zed about this, but I was waiting to see it happen. I'll have to talk to Danny and see what's up and all that Jazz.

Toxxic, would you care to just hand over your jaw right now and be done with *Injects himself with motivation*

Metal Manic, it's an Attacker Inverted Last Rites/Roll The Side/Inverted Swinged Neckbreaker. Or: Inverted Side Headlock to Reverse STO. Last Rites: Inverted Face Lock, opp infront of you, swing over into Diamond Cutter, opp behind you. As you know. Now twist the attacker 180. Opp in Inverted Side Headlock (so they're BEHIND YOU) swing over, end in Reverse STO/Downward Spiral. Notice this posistion, the attacker is rotated through 180 from the landing of a Diamond Cutter. Proof of this: Set someone up for a neckbreaker, you're back to back. Now, turn it around so you face the same way as them. What do you have set up? Side Russian Leg Sweep. Z Barr used to do it back in CZW.

Thank you Kibs. I figure it's the only decent point I can make in this situation. But I'll but money on your bet as well. Because I'm cynical like that. Maybe it's just my incerasing disassociation with the general wrestling product other than this e fed.

At the end of the day, we're all rock fans and rap fans arguing over what makes a better classical symphony. We both have completey different ideas of what we want to see. So called Marks and Smarks can be just as bad as each other. But as long as you've seen enough to what you watch and what else is out there to make and educated and informed opinion of what you seen, what you like and what you like to see, it should be ok. In some sense of the word, we're all smarks anyway. We all know it's fake, the ideas of how the business is work, and that stuff. Know of us know any of the detailled ins and outs first hand. But we dont think it's real. Different people watch for different things. Like different people listen to music for different things. That's where the difference comes from. The fact that the most vocal of one side as seen as the most bitchy by the other doesn't help. But this dont watch it crap needs to stop. As a music fan, I feel I can listen to whatever the hell I want. And if I can make constructive and factually backed arguements about why I think an song sucks, I will do. Same goes for wrestling, just the way the market is has a highly twisted effect on the whole watching what you want process. In theory, if you dont like what people are sharing about the product, you should ignore it. If you start reading a topic and think everyone is talking crap, ingore it or argue. Hell, it's the internet, you'll probably never meet these people and you can say what you feel needs to be said. Eh, nobody's right anyway. But I'd like the to say the fact I feel I will have my head bitten off for this, and am scared of the people banding together in this topic says something to. Probably just that my points are crap though.

See, transistions should definatly not awlays be just one move or a reversal of fortunes.

Well: So, it's akin to something like Misawa/Kawada tried in their fued. Starting slow works, so what if I go straight for the big moves and end it fast? Just like that it didn't work. Toxxic was trying to put over how much stronger Dace is than him. Toxxic said taking 4 straight moves from Dace would leave him clinicly dead. So that's what he goes to show, he takes a different angle from the normal and plays up the different. I dont see how Dace, writen by Toxxic is going to get cocky. It wasn't part of is plan, so it wasn't going to happpen. Fine, sorry. I've been other this with Toxxic and talked about it. Yes the comment comes from, bah I don't like the way that happen. But I did point out a little more backing up of actions would make things like that work fine. Ok It was Toxxic, and he showed he has the skill to step up to bigger things. He did a better job that I would have done in his position.

Happy Birthday Annie! Hope you're having a good time.

In response to Flik's comments on the main event: Not really, Toxxic had already have an opening run of offense, and Dace comes back with a big bomb to shut up the young punk. Toxxic is small and weak, Dace can put him away with a few moves, which is what he tries for. Nope, we both turn in Sasuke and have almost zero selling of any moves during the transition. No, no it doesn't. A 9 year vet goes and makes a high risk move with his injured arm when it's been seen before he can use his other arm for elbows just as well. No, the arm work from early pays off, with Dace's arm being weaken, and so being the only reason Toxxic is able to escape the move. Just wasn't put over as such. I've said all this to Toxxic already and the man did a good job, even if I can pick issue with a few things. I lost, so he did a good job of course.

What are you, a goddamn Hippie! Great work man, it's good to see this back and you're keeping up the standard. (Y)

As long as the sign can be photoshopped to advertise the fed, it's ok.

That sums it up very well Ejiro. And thank you for bringing up the selling in transition, it's a much needed thing.

IL, I'd kill you if I didnt like the promo so much.

Hey, it never hurts to have really, tr00 goths. Instead of wannabe kicks running around in Slipknot t shirts.

6. Dynamite Chris Schett. What, like your all surprised.

The message boards are no worse than here really. Just the far larger scale amplifes all the crap and shit you have to deal with.

Man I've turned into Jericho. Back on the losing streak I go. Real comments to follow when I'm not about to go out.

. Or, if you're Darkness Dragon, it's the Shining Apprentice (horrible joke I know). Yes the Shining Black is a Shining Yakuza Kick. Octopus Stretch = Abdominal Stretch with your leg over their head. Brocklock = (first) bearhug then Goliath Bird Eater (Stretch Muffler in Boston Crab Possition.)

Tidal Wave = Top Rope Splash/Legdrop combo from the same turnbuckle. Total Elimination = Leg Sweep from behind with a spinning front kick to the chest from the front.