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1)WCW was running a stupidass angle where Raven would avoid Benoit and have random members of the Flock wrestle him instead. It was especially stupid on a show that was so hyped and seen by so many 2)Flair was injured, but they didnt announce DDP as a replacement until very close to the event. Flair-Hennig wouldve been a good blowoff for that feud...DDP-Hennig was among the most boring matches Iv ever seen 3)No idea why Nash didnt wrestle, or why they didnt run a replacement match...retarded allaround.

Deranged.

I say he should be in. But, I dont get to vote for a reason...

Starrcade 1997 December 28, 1997 in Washington, D.C. MCI Center drawing 17,500 ($543,000) Shown live on PPV (1.9) -WCW Cruiserweight Champ Eddie Guerrero pinned Dean Malenko (14:57). -Randy Savage, Scott Norton, & Vincent beat Ray Traylor, Rick & Scott Steiner (11:06) when Savage pinned Scott. -Bill Goldberg pinned Steve McMichael (5:59). -Saturn beat Chris Benoit (10:50) via submission in a "no DQ" match. -Buff Bagwell pinned Lex Luger (16:36). -Diamond Dallas Page pinned Curt Hennig (10:52) to win the WCW US Title. -Larry Zbysko (WCW) beat Eric Bischoff (NOW) (11:12) via DQ in a match for control of Monday Nitro. Bret Hart was the guest referee. -Sting beat Hulk Hogan (12:54) via submission to win the WCW World Title. This was going to be WCW's equivalent of WrestleMania 3. The card was stacked and well promted (Benoit finally gets Raven, Nash vs. The Giant, Flair vs. Hennig, Bret Hart debuts, and Hogan-Sting). The Hogan-Sting match was just huge at the time. I ordered this ppv (my first from WCW) and really had high expectations...seriously, how could they fuck this one up? Eddie and Dean didnt quite bring their ECW star-ratings, but a good match nonetheless. And then it just flys off on a down ward spiral... Scott Hall comes out to do a crowd survey to replace the Nash-Giant match that was hyped for like 2 months. Giant comes out, but instead of a replacement match, he kicks Scotts ass and just leaves... The 6 man tag sucked a monstercock... Goldberg-Mongo was even worse... Raven decides to not wrestle Benoit, so we get Perry Saturn in his place. not nearly what anybody had paid for... Bagwell-Luger was pukeworthy... Ric Flair was replaced by DDP. DDP-Hennig was insanely boring... Bischoff-Zbszko tok the starratings into the negatives. It was expected to be bad but I kinda hoped thered be a modicum of entertainment value, but no... And finally - Hollywood Hogan vs. Sting. A match that had been building for over a year. A match so big it got WCW a 1.9 buyrate. The biggest wrestling match and event of 1997. The most anticipated match in a long, long time... The match ends up being horribly booked, with Hogan getting most of the offense. The crowd, catatonic from the pathetic undercard, are kicked around like 17,500 dead horses. A fast count angle is actually done slow by Nick Patrick. The match doesnt even end cleanly. Biggest disspointment ever, terrible matches all around, and the beginning of the end for WCW...when it could have cemented them as a huge #1. Worst PPV Of All-Time.

Both were asked. Why must every baseball player decline the Blue Jays hat? I understand Rocket, but Dave Winfield didn't and Alomar will probably not do it either. Argh. Here's an interesting one; Roger Maris. Maris no. He was only a very good player for two years, and he wasn't THAT great even then. I think he should be voted in for 'Historical Reasons'.

Finally, about time for Wisconsin-Purdue...

Bob Dylan - Tangled Up In Blue(live)

Wasn't Tonya fat?

I'm saying the show is simply an entertainment show. That is all. Stewart is bitching about an entertainment show, claiming it is "hurting America", a diatribe high schoolers would be ashamed to state. Actually, I liked Stewart's show a lot until recently. I do not care that he supports Kerry over Bush --- that is expected (and anybody who takes a comedian's views seriously deserves to be led around by idiots) --- it's just that the comedy is seldom delivered by him. Hell, it's seldom delivered period. Lewis Black has not had a funny rant in months now. Stewart was never the funniest guy on the show and that is only getting progressively worse. Without Colbert, that show is less funny than MAD TV. -=Mike Mike, some people actually get their news from shows like Crossfire, Hannity/Colmes, etc...and thats pretty sad... Just as sad is that some people get their news from Daily Show, Leno, etc.

Yep...thats what everyone who enjoyed Stewart's comments said, 'JON RULZ DOODZ' Another shot of brilliance from greatone, the independant-minded TSM poster.

I didnt even know N2R 97 was on ppv.

Grateful Dead - Sugar Magnolia(live)

Word.

Also with Young, go with On the Beach--Incandenza (if the spellings wrong I apologoize) reviewed it song for song in that old "Rate the songs on the album" thread. Get EVERYTHING from Neil in the 70s. Actually, everybody should hear every song the man has ever recorded...

Genesis - Wind & Wuthering cd

Neil Young - Check out everything (After The Goldrush, Harvest, Stars N Bars, Tonights The Night, Rust Never Sleeps)... Eagles Greatest Hits (first one) is a must-own record... It was a pretty good decade for music, just keep searching and discoverin new shit...but, avoid the 'arean-rock' garbage at cost(Journey, REO, Styx, etc)

This Thread=Gay

Shawn Green Marquis Grissom BJ Surhoff Ron Guidry Charles Nagy Matt Williams

Bob Dylan - Time Out Of Mind cd

Ken Caminiti Mark Grace Frank Thomas

Wow.

Best 39.95 I ever spent.

From lp.org Libertarian presidential candidate Michael Badnarik was arrested on Friday, Oct. 8, when he crossed a police line in a planned political protest at the St. Louis, Mo., debate between President George W. Bush and Sen. John Kerry. Badnarik was attempting to serve the Commission on Presidential Debates (CPD) with a court order from an Arizona Superior Court judge. The judge had ordered a representative from the CPD to appear in court to prove that a debate scheduled for Wednesday, Oct. 13, does not constitute special treatment for the Democrats and Republicans. Green Party presidential candidate David Cobb also crossed the police line to demand access to the St. Louis debate, and was arrested. The two candidates were placed in handcuffs and taken to jail where they spent several hours before being released. A few area residents who were simply trying to get home when they crossed the police lines were also arrested, witnesses said. Badnarik was charged with two misdemeanor offenses -- trespassing and "refusing a reasonable request from a police officer" -- and was released without bond. His court appearance for the charges is scheduled for December, and Stephen Gordon, communications director for the Badnarik campaign, said the candidate "hasn't decided whether he is going to contest the charge." Earlier Friday, the Badnarik campaign had announced that either he would debate Kerry and Bush in St. Louis or he would go to jail. "A majority of Americans say that I should be included in the events sponsored by the Commission on Presidential Debates," Badnarik said in the announcement. "And the CPD, as a non-profit, has received special treatment from government on the requirement that they be non-partisan in their activities." But the CPD hasn't been non-partisan, Badnarik continued, saying that "bi-partisan" is not the same thing as "non-partisan." "Unless I am allowed to participate, the debates become a massive campaign contribution to two of the candidates, illegal under the very campaign finance laws those two candidates have passed and signed as senator and president," he said. "We'd have preferred to see John Kerry and George Bush stand up like men to debate the issues facing America," Gordon said. "However, they have interposed the machinery of government between the American people and the honest debate which must precede any honest election. Now it's up to patriots like Michael Badnarik to force the issue." The third Bush-Kerry debate, to be held at Arizona State University in Tempe, Ariz., is scheduled for Wednesday, Oct. 13. Libertarians in Arizona filed a lawsuit Oct. 1, claiming that the state constitution prohibits donations of taxpayer money to corporations like the CPD. As a public university -- funded by tax money -- the university should not contribute to the debate, the Libertarian Party of Arizona's lawsuit claims. "There are three candidates on the ballot in Arizona [bush, Kerry and Badnarik], and the university -- in collusion with an allegedly non-partisan, allegedly non-profit organization, is spending about $2 million to publicize the views of only two of them.," Gordon said. On Oct. 8, Arizona Superior Court Judge Pendleton Gaines issued an "Order to Show Cause," calling for representatives of the university and the CPD "to show why a restraining order against the debate should not issue," said Jason Auvenshine, chairman of the Arizona LP. University representatives have said they plan to use money from private grants and other non-public sources to fund the debate, which is expected to cost between $2 million and $2.5 million. As such, it wouldn't be publicly funded, they maintain. But the Tempe, Ariz., City Council sent $20,000 to the university to be used for the debate, so public funds would still be used for the debate, Gordon said. The Libertarians will also show the judge a letter signed by the co-chairmen of the CPD, stating that the university had spent "substantial resources on preparation." The order was successfully served to the university by Joel Beckwith, a Badnarik supporter in Arizona. Staff members from the Libertarian Party's national headquarters in Washington D.C. were able to serve the court order at the CPD office in DC. But later attempts to serve additional papers were rebuffed, when security officers refused to allow the Libertarians into their building or to bring CPD staff down from their office. The paperwork was left in the building, though, and that -- combined with audio recording and photographs as evidence that they attempted to serve the papers -- was enough to satisfy the judge, who agreed to hold this morning's meeting, according to David Euchner, the attorney representing the Libertarian Party of Arizona in its lawsuit. While some Libertarians disagreed with Badnarik's strategy, others said they thought his decision to cross the police line could be as significant as the civil disobedience demonstrated by Ghandi, Martin Luther King Jr. and other civil rights activists. As David T. Terry of the Libertarian Party of Oregon said, "The world has always been changed by small acts of insignificant people whose courage and commitment to principles made their acts significant. I suggest that after tonight, the two-party system will never be the same!" Libertarians are now eagerly awaiting the results of today's hearing with Judge Pendleton. "We're asking for one of two things to happen," Gordon said. "We're asking for them to either shut down the debate, or reimburse the 17,000 registered Libertarian voters in the state of Arizona -- who have paid tax money that is paying for a debate from which they will not receive any benefit." http://lp.org/lpnews/0411/arrest.html

Yeah....it kinda does. Unless you're the Red Sox (and I'm a Sox fan) Or the Washington Redskins I feel your pain. I went through it with the Baltimore Orioles. it just keeps hurting more and more..... I went to a game at Camden this summer while I was on the east coast...fantabulous stadium but, damn, the Orioles just got mauled by Oakland. I left in the seventh inning and it was 7-0...minutes later, I listened as the A's hit another 2 run homerun while I rode in the taxi.

Damn