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Holy shit, I was right there when that guy fell, lol.

Found em on youtube. They're all chopped up, skipping, etc. If that makes sense. I really can't form an impression, "This I Love" sounds remarkable though.

Can someone throw me the new leaks?

Oh My God > Slither

And you've heard the final mix? The version that is going to be on the album? Or are you talking about the one that leaked? Because if you are, that isn't a very good song. I think most people who are creaming over the leaks even admit that it blows. I never liked it until I heard the leak. I dunno, it's got an "Immigrant Song" type vibe going on....could go either way depending on the final mix. Still better and more original then anything Revolver did though.

This is just so stupid. So so so stupid. I mean, I don't know where we can really go from here. You would obviously rather listen to shitty guitarists like Robin Finck and Bumblefoot, so I think this part of the discussion is pretty much over. Please enlighten me on what makes Axl's new songs SO much better than Velvet Revolver. I realize you think they are mind-blowing, earth shattering stuff, but please understand that the only people who really think that are you and posters on MyGNRForum. I don't particularly like Fall to Pieces either, but I was just talking strictly about commercial success. Axl won't have that kind of success with whatever singles he releases. I mean, Chinese Democracy was a fucking god awful single choice. One of the worst new songs they've got. Velvet Revolver's worst songs aren't anywhere near as bad as nuGNR's worst songs (Silkworms, Oh My God, Rhiad, etc.) Thankfully, we'll probably never hear it because of the revolving door of shitty musicians that Axl has had in there. Although, someone shittier like Robin Finck or something probably took his place so it's a lose-lose situation for the listeners. You're right there is nowhere else to go. My prejudice against Slash, your prejudice against guys like Finck and Thal....pointless discussion. Democracy is killing on the radio......http://www.antimusic.com/news/08/oct/27GNRs_Chinese_Democracy_A_Radio_Hit.shtml

It probably would, but I don't think it would be better, musically, then "Democracy." Would be several steps back. And Izzy toured with the new band in '06 and '07.

Fall to pieces I'm fallin' Fell to pieces and I'm Still fallin Everytime I'm fallin down All alone I fall to pieces Jesus Christ.....

Trust me, if Velvet Revolver or Slash's Snakepit had been any good, I would've been the first to celebrate it. The old band, and it's members, were my favorite. Until I heard how good the new band was. And how terrible Slash's efforts were. It's not an example of "swinging from Axl's balls" or whatever. It's called taste.

He's a guitarist. He plays guitar with people. What is he supposed to do, sit in his bedroom for 15 years like Axl Rose? Why is it anyone's business? He's playing music and expanding his brand name. How is it any more "whorish" than Axl slapping the GNR name on fucking shot glasses and keychains and coffee mugs and cigarette lighters like he's fucking Gene Simmons or something? It's a much more subtle way of "whoring yourself out"...or, as I prefer to call it, MAKING MONEY. Find me a Slash solo that sounds like November Rain. Or Sweet Child O'Mine. Or Don't Cry. Or Rocket Queen. Or Coma. Or Street Child. Want to get more recent? How about American Man? Or Gravedancer? You can't find other Slash solos like them, because they don't exist. You're talking out of your ass here. What does that have to do with the original GNR? It's a record the original group could never make because they would have never put out something so unbearably shitty. Why didn't you paste the quote from that MTV interview with Kurt Loder where Axl says Chinese Democracy started out as an attempt to make another Appetite-style album, but he had to scrap that because he couldn't find anyone like Slash. What does that tell you about how much he meant to the band? Snakepit was a decent band. I don't really take it for anymore than what it was. Slash wasn't trying to reinvent the wheel or anything, he was just having fun playing music with his friends. Most Velvet Revolver songs are better than the Chinese Democracy songs I've heard. In fact, I'd wager that Chinese Democracy won't even have the commercial success Contraband had. I doubt it will sell as well nor will it have two No. 1 singles like Contraband did. And frankly, I thought Contraband sucked compared to Libertad, despite the lack of sales for the latter. Working with Paul Huge is as bad as working with anyone you can whine about Slash working with. Slash played with Fergie. And shit, I think Blackstreet. Again, it's an embarrassment. Axl cares more about making music that means something, rather then putting his name on any old piece of shit. Perfectionist, ok. Nuts, probably. But the fact is, the time it took for this to come out makes it, and the band name, far more important then if he'd tossed out 3 or 4 albums in the same time period. Name me a Slash solo that someone else who has been in GNR, Finck, Buckethead, Ron Thal, Richard Fortus, hasn't found a way to make better. Because they are simplistic. Sure they are, or were, original, yeah. Slash has his own sound. But a little evolving wouldn't have killed him. Playing the same shit, however, HAS killed him. Unless you play Guitar Hero. If you honestly think Velvet Revolver is better then the new GNR songs, I can't even argue with you anymore. You're just too far gone. That's so ridiculous, it's....well ridiculous. Just an atrocious band, so much weaker then I expected. And bag on Axl taking so long as much as you want. Scott Weiland, now there's a guy whose well is dry. Terrible lyrics. Democracy will outsell Revolver's first album with it's first week of sales.....ok, maybe not that much, but I guarantee within a month. And "Fall To Pieces" was so unbearingly embarrassing, just....wow.....I have to stop. I can literally feel my face getting hot. Terrible....awful, just an utter abortion of a song. I think Weiland and/or Duff had the balls to call that their "Sweet Child." Ridiculous..... Again, no one has ever heard what Paul Huge has had to contribute. They are just going on what bitter former members, Slash, Matt Sorum, have had to say. Unless you've played with Huge personally, of course....

A. I don't like him. He's a putz who will jump onstage with anyone. It's embarrassing. Even more embarrassing is his recent attempts to kiss Axl's ass after years of badmouthing him. After the very very low sales of Revolver's second album? Of course he thinks Axl is a genius now. B. Slash sounds the same on everything. Open your ears. Sure, it worked for Appetite, and his "Estranged" solo on UYI II was great. But the guy's never shown any will to evolve. It's like he has "Generic Slash Solos" # 1-5 in his arsenal, and he uses them over and over. It puts me to sleep. C. "“At first I thought that I would never listen to it until it’s released, but someone handed it to me and I was in my car and I was like, ‘Okay, let’s give it a try.’ So I listened to it: It’s a really good record. It’s very different from what the original Guns N’ Roses sounded like, but it’s a great statement by Axl. Now you understand where he was heading all this time. It’s a record that the original Guns N’ Roses could never possibly make. And at the same time it just shows you how brilliant Axl is. So it was a relief for me to actually hear it.”-Slash. D. You're retarded. Again, Snakepit and Revolver were much more of an embarrassment to the GNR name then any mistakes Axl has made....and YES, I know that is saying alot. That's the point. And you're wrong. Even "Rhiad" or "Democracy", IMO two of the weaker songs on the new album, blow away anything Slash has had his name on. E. http://heretodaygonetohell.com/articles/sh...hp?articleid=30 And Shaq wandered into a studio that had Dizzy Reed and Paul Huge working, I think. It said GNR on the door, but I highly doubt Axl was trying to secure the guy to a contact so he could appear on the album.

If you're "bothered by the criticism," you're an idiot. You didn't make the album. Perhaps, sure. But I'm such a big fan it irritates me that no one is even going to give it a chance. Lots of people are going to give it a chance. And then there are a lot who will assume it sucks just because Slash isn't in the band. And that's unfortunate, but how often has there been a successful band where the singer dumped all his bandmates (or they left, whatever, I'm not going to put all the blame on Axl but I think most should fall on him) and the band was still just as artistically and commercially viable? And especially when one of those bandmates is someone as renowned as Slash, who is identified with GNR just as much as Axl is, it's not surprising that people would be skeptical. And on top of that, when the album has taken so long to come out, isn't it natural that people will have high expectations? Granted, those expectations are mostly the product of media hype since Axl has usually reminded fans in his rare comments on it that "it's just an album." But when you take that long, people are going to expect something on par with the band's most celebrated works. And while I really like the song "Chinese Democracy", do you think it will be a classic rock mainstay in twenty years the way the three hit singles from Appetite are now? I highly doubt it. Plus, it's Axl Rose. People have been loving to hate him for the past twenty years. All that combined is going to lead to a large dose of negativity for whatever he does in the future short of reuniting the old band. I think "Better" and "The Blues/Street Of Dreams" have a shot at that type of longevity, sure.

If you're "bothered by the criticism," you're an idiot. You didn't make the album. Perhaps, sure. But I'm such a big fan it irritates me that no one is even going to give it a chance. Lots of people are going to give it a chance. And then there are a lot who will assume it sucks just because Slash isn't in the band. And that's unfortunate, but how often has there been a successful band where the singer dumped all his bandmates (or they left, whatever, I'm not going to put all the blame on Axl but I think most should fall on him) and the band was still just as artistically and commercially viable? And especially when one of those bandmates is someone as renowned as Slash, who is identified with GNR just as much as Axl is, it's not surprising that people would be skeptical. And on top of that, when the album has taken so long to come out, isn't it natural that people will have high expectations? Granted, those expectations are mostly the product of media hype since Axl has usually reminded fans in his rare comments on it that "it's just an album." But when you take that long, people are going to expect something on par with the band's most celebrated works. And while I really like the song "Chinese Democracy", do you think it will be a classic rock mainstay in twenty years the way the three hit singles from Appetite are now? I highly doubt it. Plus, it's Axl Rose. People have been loving to hate him for the past twenty years. All that combined is going to lead to a large dose of negativity for whatever he does in the future short of reuniting the old band. I just have to say, "renowned as Slash"? Just cause he's not as big a dick as Axl doesn't mean that the Snakepit and Velvet Revolver haven't absolutely sucked balls....since when are nice guys supposed to win in rock n roll anyways? Are you arguing that Slash is not a popular figure in rock? That most fans of Guns N' Roses (putting aside the Axl loyalists on certain message boards) do not hold him in high regard? That he did not have a great deal of influence on he band's sound? Come on now. He's popular, but I have no idea why. Most of his playing and solos are exactly the same, and his attempts at music since GNR...well I've already gone over them. It was Axl's voice, attitude and lyrics that made GNR. Slash is a cartoon character sure, but it's like Axl said.... "Basically, to me, it was because I am watching this guy and I don't understand it. Playing with everyone from Space Ghost to Michael Jackson. I don't get it. I wanted the world to love and respect him. I just watched him throw it away.''" Slash is a whore.

If you're "bothered by the criticism," you're an idiot. You didn't make the album. Perhaps, sure. But I'm such a big fan it irritates me that no one is even going to give it a chance. Lots of people are going to give it a chance. And then there are a lot who will assume it sucks just because Slash isn't in the band. And that's unfortunate, but how often has there been a successful band where the singer dumped all his bandmates (or they left, whatever, I'm not going to put all the blame on Axl but I think most should fall on him) and the band was still just as artistically and commercially viable? And especially when one of those bandmates is someone as renowned as Slash, who is identified with GNR just as much as Axl is, it's not surprising that people would be skeptical. And on top of that, when the album has taken so long to come out, isn't it natural that people will have high expectations? Granted, those expectations are mostly the product of media hype since Axl has usually reminded fans in his rare comments on it that "it's just an album." But when you take that long, people are going to expect something on par with the band's most celebrated works. And while I really like the song "Chinese Democracy", do you think it will be a classic rock mainstay in twenty years the way the three hit singles from Appetite are now? I highly doubt it. Plus, it's Axl Rose. People have been loving to hate him for the past twenty years. All that combined is going to lead to a large dose of negativity for whatever he does in the future short of reuniting the old band. I just have to say, "renowned as Slash"? Just cause he's not as big a dick as Axl doesn't mean that the Snakepit and Velvet Revolver haven't absolutely sucked balls....since when are nice guys supposed to win in rock n roll anyways?

If you're "bothered by the criticism," you're an idiot. You didn't make the album. Perhaps, sure. But I'm such a big fan it irritates me that no one is even going to give it a chance.

I'm actually really bothered by the criticism....were people really happy with the decade of Creed, Linkin Park and Nickleback dominating the airwaves? Seriously?

See, now that's a fantastic review....

People think they are expected to be Anti Axl, so that's what you get. This is going to get a bigger backlash then I expected, no matter how good it is.

Just barely, lol.

And yes I don't mean cassette or album....first CD you ever bought? For me, it's "The Ultimate Experience" by Jimi Hendrix.

Actually it kind of is, lol....till I hear all the Philly DJs trash the song, cause ya know....Philly hates Axl.

Is it possible that these will run in movie theaters?

I'm not sure what they are intended for.....

http://www.gunsnroses.us/news/spip.php?article193 Promo videos for CD.

At least Ari taking the job kind of changes the formula for the show....it's gotten kind of stale.