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When Hogan was in WCW, he was always trying to get Yokozuna in so he could get his win back from losing the WWF title to him in 1993. Hogan was also behind bringing Warrior in for the same reason. According to Eric Bischoff on Warrior's DVD that was a dirtsheet rumour and that smart fans are delusional to ever think Hogan would do such things.

I'm surprised no one brought up undefeated Edge against undefeated Undertaker and Edge going over to gain back his TREMONDOUS HEAT that shot ratings through the roof and should have never lost the title BTW, it's true. I usually come up with better stuff for Mania and it's kind of hard this year with how things are messed up. I'm starting to see why they are using Eddie Guerrero to sell Mania. Batista and Guerrero were probably a major portion of the event.

Vince is just showing Kurt Angle how to play heel 20 years ago Gotta give it to the boss showing the roster how to really do kayfabe.

Credit to Tim Brown at www.wrestlingnewsworld.com "To update on the possibility of The Rock at Wrestlemania, The Wrestling Observer Newsletter reports that the one person he would want to work with is Bret Hart. Due to Hart’s respect for the Rock, if he was to work with someone, The Rock would be a likely candidate. However, his physical condition likely prevents him from doing a match that he would want to be remembered for." It also goes onto say that the wwe suggested Shawn Michaels vs rock but the rock "wasn't a fan of that idea" because he felt that Shawn Michaels was an asshole to him when he first came into the wwe. ***Now, that would be interesting!

This is the only PPV in the thread I would buy. I like that Cena and Orton are confined to one match. Change Rock/HBK to the more realistic Shane McMahon/HBK and it's still great. This is pretty good, but have HBK against Edge or Cena since The Rock aint going to do a match. I also agree that Montreal should just come to a bloody end once and for all.

Carnival is right, but damn.......If they are doing this with Eddie I can only imagine how they would exploit Hulk Hogan or Ric Flair's death(think about HHH for one second). Those two are bigger legends and stars. The wwe might be starting a precedent with this angle.

It's funny how Vince wants to blur the lines one minute and then turn fantasy the next. They're trying to use realism for some things and then go out do nonsense like Undertaker making the ring collapse. It just comes off like they are desperate trying to make SOMETHING stick with the mainstream. I guess using Eddie's name isn't enough or even trying to be subtle about it. Let's just hope that it doesn't get even worse.

If that's the case, then they might as well keep pushing HBK and HHH as babyfaces because the future as it stands right now on the face side looks horrendous. I guess that's why Mysterio is getting the babyface to Mania push.

I agree they need to have Edge get some of his heat back. Angle's been vocal before about wanting the belt and being the HHH of smackdown and they ignored him. Angle actually wanted to do the Cena feud all the way to Mania and that's even worse. We shall see what they do with Angle anyways. I have my reservations with this UT crap where he might turn back into th dorky cartoonish Angle which helps no one.

Yeah, I guess the wwe was oblivious to the crowds wanting Kurt Angle to become a world champion too and not turning Boogeyman face after the crowd reactions. Yes, I do agree about them not caring as well. Obviously, Vince is still making money and has no competition. If they do force this babyface Cena they are just complete idiots. That can't be that clueless can they?

I'm not basing stuff off "what if". Vince Mcmahon is not THAT stupid to not know Cena is not liked by half the audience. They know and they have acknowledged it. Step one. Step Two. They know Cena is getting heat because he's turned into Superman. He still goes over the roster at NYR. They have Edge cash in on the MITB title shot. Cena is still protected. There is a sense of relief and Cena's backlash falls off. Step Three. They know some fans are liking Edge's reign and must know why some fans were turning on Cena as wwe champion. They re-push Cena back into the title picture and make him win. Step Four. Cena is still seen as a monster champion and gears up for his match with HHH. Now if the fans take to Cena more as a babyface that dethroned Edge it works. If fans are more angered at Cena for dethroning the hated Edge it's still money. Step Five. Turn Cena full heel at WrestleMania by continuing his push as Hulk Hogan 2006 by going over even Triple H whom fans may very well be fully behind. Put him with Vince Mcmahon who recently claimed it's all about turning back the clock to sex, drugs, and rock and roll. Give Cena back up because he can't trust no one in the dressing room and you got a monster heel. All I'm saying is that I think the wwe is not oblivious to the obvious that the net and the arenas are telling them. Add in some of the rumours that have been floating around and see how the overall picture plays out first. Again, if the wwe doesn't tweak Cena then they are just hard asses.

People don't think "hip hop" when they see Cena. They think "wigger". There's no one in the WWE that has credibility with the "BET crowd" because they don't appeal to that audience. When you looked at Eddie, everything about him related to the Latino audience. Women don't make up that much of the audience or Randy Orton would have been a monster babyface. Kids, I'll grant you. There are many more guys who can create crossover appeal instead of Cena in his current state. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy Cena, but as a champion the second half of his run was the drizzling shits because he was getting booed much more than he was getting cheered. Was it funny to watch? Absolutely. Did it kill interest in RAW? Absolutely. Will Cena's 2nd reign fail if it's booked exactly the same as his last one? Absolutely. Yes, they can't book Cena's 2nd reign the same way I agree. If they do, they are just complete morons. However, I think they are going to book him differently based off his promos in the last couple of weeks. I also think the rumours of him getting Rosey and even Bischoff might be true. How do you know if Cena doesn't have any credibility with the BET crowd? I saw Cena on that show and the crowd responded quite well. Females make up a big part of the audience and that's why they have the Divas in storylines more than just being eye candy. The Rock was also in an article in a mainstream magazine around WM XX and it stated that the ratings went down because The Rock wasn't around to help grab the female audience. He was credited to helping make females watch the show.

Exactly. That was WM XX and here we are now at WM 22 coming up. You see there has not been another wrestler to have this long run as a babyface at the top. That's what I'm getting at. I agree that is why he's getting boos, but a tweak in character I think he can spark the crowds again. He already has heat for his title matches with the crowd split. It's just reminding me of Bret Hart in 1996 and early 1997 with his mixed reaction. Once the wwe got the right character for Bret he was the hottest thing feuding with Austin. Long term I think Cena is the better choice than Edge. This all really depends on HHH's status as well. He may not want Cena or Edge to be the top heels.

I never said he was. What I'm saying is Cena crosses over into more markets such as the hip hop market, women, and kids. Hip hop is the biggest music genre today in terms of sales. Why ignore that? It's the same thing as Eddie crossing over for the Latino market and they are going to do that again with Rey Mysterio. This is what I'm talking about things are more than just ratings. If they want to turn Cena heel and do the Rated R superstar angle they can do it with Cena. There's more options with Cena's persona. This is all I'm saying.

hyperchord24, you are kind of stating what I'm thinking. Cena's heat is strange to say the least and it creates a dynamic that is foreign to wrestling. Cena won't get those crowd reactions without the strap. Take Cena out of the title picture and we'll just end up back with more or less heatless matches with HHH. Not knocking on HHH because I see him differently than a lot on the net. It's just that the title matches have more spark with Cena as champion. Going with Edge and HHH will just lead to HHH regaining the belt and getting cheered then HHH turning back heel and we're back to 2003 again. I think the wwe is not being short-sighted here, but we'll see.

It seems like some aren't understanding what I'm saying here. Yes, the wwe is promoting Cena, however it's his persona that allows them to get him into other outlets that other stars on the roster wouldn't be able to. That is what I'm talking about. Eddie crossed over for his demographic, but the wwe couldn't then turn around and put him on BET 106 and Park. Yeah, he's marketed towards kids because the wwe already knows how fickle fans like us can be. We turn on people on a drop of a dime. Cena is NOT tanking business as much as people are saying imo. Someone like JBL was as champion because what audience could they really have crossed over with him? Not the hardcore wrestling fans! Not the kids! Not the females! Just people like Vince Mcmahon and even then he didn't pull in those people. JBL was a worse champion than Cena ever was. I would also put Orton on the list.

It's not that I'm taking up for Cena and ignoring the obvious. I just think there is a huge over-exaggeration of Edge being this great champion. Cena has HEAT. It's not the heat the wwe wants, but he has heat. It's just what they will do with that heat. Maybe I just think Cena can still do good at the top if they use him right. They aren't at the moment.

How has Cena crossed over? I've seen him in magazines for his CDs and televsion shows like Entertainment Tonight in the last year. He is not Hogan or Austin levels of crossover, but he has crossed over more than anyone else. Maybe it's a sad state of affairs on the comapny's part compared to the rest of the roster, but he is not getting X-Pac heat. The fans are pretty damn vocal about him winning or losing matches at the arenas. I also don't think he's a big babyface anymore, but the wwe is just stubborn in not wanting to at least make Cena a tweener. You guys please remember JBL had the damn title before Cena and was drawing crowds with numbers as low as 1400 people. Remember that?

Somewhat true on both fronts. It's Cena's ring work and the fans were seeing Jericho and Angle carrying the feuds. The wwe can't put out DVDs like Warrior's and not expect fans to pick up on stuff like that in today's environment. It's their own booking and writing that's causing some of this. When they have Angle spouting off on the troops the fans aren't buying it because they know he's just doing it to negate his cheers against Cena. I will give Edge a lot of credit for being a heel and staying a full heel.

Eddie Guerrero is true, however Eddie did not crossover like Cena has. I think they cut the legs of Eddie and it seems they don't want to do that with Cena. People are failing to realize Cena has been a dominating babyface champion since WM XX when he won the US title. Not even Eddie was babyface that long.

I don't know man. People are acting like Cena's reign was December 1996 bad when it wasn't. The net's over-reacting and yet it seems they say the same thing when the wwe goes overboard by trying to shock viewers into watching. The RAW when Bischoff got fired did great ratings too, does that mean they have to make the show the same way every week? It was good writing and so was Cena's loss and Edge's unpredictable win. We'll see how things turn out in th build to Mania. If Cena starts tanking(and I'm not saying a .5 difference in ratings either) they will just put the title on HHH at Mania. There is more to the business than ratings. Ask wcw in 1997 and 1998.

If this is true and its not Vince talking through him to get Bret into the HOF, then this is really big of the guy. However, like I said...IF

I never said Edge's career is over, but everyone on the net seems to think so because he lost to John Cena of all people. Cena has gone over guys like Angle for crying out loud. Bruce Blank that is what they should do, but I agree with Black Lushus about the streak. Dam(o)nYankees did Cena really fail miserably? He's not Hulk Hogan to the fans, but who is. He's the most over babyface they've had since Austin and Rock. Please show me someone else who's come close in the last couple of years. Brock was nowhere close. Orton wasn't either. The only guys who are really more over than Cena are HHH, HBK, Angle, and UT in terms of main event push. Those guys are all all-time greats.

Cena/HBK/HHH could actually work espcially if they use wwe history and real life. I won't bother right now, but this might be the best solution.

Yes, because those people who weren't watching when Cena was champion, would tune in the very next night hoping he will win the title back, so they can stop watching again. Okay, so why would the fans stay tuned to see Cena go after the title if he has nothing to do with the ratings. It's obvious the crowd is split. Some fans do back Cena and they have already let it be known that Cena is riding for those fans. Another thing to consider is where in the hell would the direction go with Edge as champion if they don't have a plan for him? They would just screw it up anyways, if this was just a distraction title change. Dam(o)nYankees, they are doing that with a cruiser right now in Rey Mysterio. He sells merchandise and pops the crowd. Yes, he's not being booed by 80% of the audience, but I can bet he will be booed if he turns into superman against the big men who are established like Cena was.