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    WWE Raw - February 23, 2009

    Yeah, that would be awesome!! However, I think this storyline is only including WWE HOF'ers and not guys Vince is keeping out of the HOF
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    Does Rourke Being at WM Cheapen "The Wrestler"?

    Jericho is gold in this storyline. Good to see Steamboat tonight and I'm still convinced this storyline is better having a real legend defending the legends against Jericho at Mania with Rourke in the corner of the legend/s. The back-story is stronger with tonight as an example.
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    The OAO WWE DVD Thread

    Okay, I saw that special edition WM III DVD, but was afraid to pick it up. Is it worth it? The reason I was hesitant was that I still have the original video tape that was released with the original music such as Steamboat's intro. I also have the superstars episodes that lead up to the event(snme too). I just don't know what could be on there besides having the event in DVD quality. I'm for more matches myself. SNME's best matches is an instant classic although again I have most of the shows on videotape with the original intros. What I say is missing is the actual show intros.
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    The 25th Anniversary of WrestleMania Thread

    I may be the only guy who actually liked WrestleMania 2's set up, so I would like to see this. I always wondered if they could pull off a show on three different continents with this set up too. That would make Mania look really world-class and big.
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    Vince Fighting Internet Leaks

    Gotta admit those devices are pretty clever and I agree with them. The rumors do create problems. For example would be Hogan being at Mania vs. Cena or Jericho. Now, that rumor is out there and of course word would spread to fans who aren't on the net. Hogan doesn't show up and wwe looks like they failed to deliver or something was up with Hogan or Vince. In actuality, Hogan wasn't even planned for the event. On the flip side of that they leak a rumor of Hogan vs. Jericho, but it ends up Hogan/Cena surprising fans. *Not saying any of this example is in relation to reality*
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    The 25th Anniversary of WrestleMania Thread

    Worldwide phenomenon
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    The 25th Anniversary of WrestleMania Thread

    There are rumors about the winners of the two title matches would meet in a unification match. Would that help the repeat nature of the match for some? It gives the option of doing Cena/HHH, Edge/HHH, Edge/Orton, Cena/Orton
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    Kayfabe Era- What be your thoughts on it?

    I completely agree about stretching kayfabe, but not breaking it for the reasons stated. Now, last night is an example of a way the wwe can still work knowledgeable fans. Everyone had Orton/Cena and Edge/HHH penned for Mania, but they shocked everyone last night with what went down. Now the explanation needs to be done properly and kayfabe wise they could do it.
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    Kayfabe Era- What be your thoughts on it?

    That last post was on the money man
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    Kayfabe Era- What be your thoughts on it?

    What I find lacking with today's product is the actual emphasis of pro wrestling being an exhibition. The attention to detail because of the attempt to make the viewer believe in what they are watching. Also, coherent storytelling that applies to real life. The post-kayfabe era(more so 1999) direction of using different elements of other tv shows and so on to make an action adventure has opened the envelope for creative license, but I think this has caused less emotional attachment and involvement by the fans. That is why certain things such as Austin turning heel did not have the same effect as Hulk Hogan turning heel. I also think that is another reason why the wwf did not do as much business a year later after breaking kayfabe in courts. I don't think it's a coincidence the business had a steady decline. This is not to say that all fans thought the show was real, but there was significant doubt of it being completely a work to the untrained eye. Another example is Steve Austin's character. I think one big reason he got so over was that fans were more likely to believe in the character in 1996-97 than in 2000 as the same with evil Vince. The nWo angle also worked to some degree because of how it actually felt like the new generation wwf guys Diesel(Nash) and Razor Ramone(Hall) entered wcw. There was less of a "program" feel to it than an exhibition feel. I think that is what has hurt guys like John Cena and HHH(who are being booked like Hogan and Flair in the 80's somewhat). It has also became more hip as a fan to judge the show differently than in the past. It was more cool to be a critic than an actual fan and most of those fans have seemed to faded away or at least not caring about the current product. I say the differences can be seen in what many consider to be the greatest Mania of this era WM X-7 compared to what many would say the greatest of the kayfabe era(actually greatest of all-time imo). One show seems a lot more hollywood and slick and the other is more like a supercard for a pro wrestling sporting type event. I actually believe WM 3 has the crowd's attention and emotion much more than the WM X-7 crowd for the duration of the show. Look at the pops Piper got when he put on the sleeper hold on Adonis(today that would not be the same), the pin dropping for upset wins for HTM and HF/Danny Davis, eruption for Steamboat winning, and of course Hogan slamming Andre. Now, the fan interaction and attachment at Mania X-7 is fewer and far between with perhaps ONLY Austin/Rock getting anything like the reaction as those mentioned for the spots in the matches for WM 3. This is not to say the fans weren't into the other matches at WM X-7, but clearly to me they weren't AS into it for the simple reason that the other match outcomes and how things are ranked nowadays fans don't care for the other matches. UT/HHH was the only other match that came close and that was for the very reason people thought HHH could beat UT due to his reign as champ the year prior. The conditioning of putting on a good show has hurt the actual investment of seeing who wins and loses imo.
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    Biggest "Drop the Ball" Moment in Ever

    The big business crashed really quick once fans realized that Booker T. and Diamond Dallas Page were as big as it was going to get. I don't even want to think about how sick the numbers would have been if they had done this properly and stretched this thing out to WM18 with a show that featured both Steve Austin vs. Bill Goldberg and The Rock vs. Hollywood Hogan. Rock/Hogan was big enough on its own, but within the context of WWF vs. WCW, it would have been even more. I don't think we can even fathom the business they would have done if they had eaten Goldberg's contract and properly built to Austin vs. Goldberg at WM18. It would have been out of this world. Instead we got 3 months of Steve Austin vs. Kurt Angle, which meant jackshit because these guys were both WWF guys. They were all good matches, but they were in a ridiculous context with Austin, a WWF guy for almost 6 years at this point, having aligned with WCW/ECW and their historical significance in 2009 in zilch. No one talks about that epic Steve Austin vs. Scott Hall WM18 match either. I completely agree with you. What some people are not realizing is that MANY fans thought the Invasion WOULD have Hogan and company. Why? Because the nWo Takeover was built that way in 1996. Hogan was nowhere to be found when nitro was going on with Hall and Nash. You see the parrallels? Booker T(wcw champion) and DDP and Buff Bagwell could have been seen as seeds being planted and BANG at Invasion we see Hogan, Hall, Nash, Sting, Goldberg in an angle like Hogan turning heel joining the nWo, but it would be the aforementioned joining up with Booker and company against the wwf. Remember The Rock was also up in the air to some fans too. Once fans realized Booker T and company were as big as wcw's side was going to get the masses tuned out. This was something fans wanted to see ever since the monday night wars began. Seriously, the fans thought we would get the REAL Invasion and got disappointed. It was bad enough Austin had turned heel at WrestleMania and Rock took off to film a movie leaving fans with nothing really to cheer about. That whole thing was completely BOTCHED and they have paid for it big time. Not even the brand split got things back on track. They pissed off ecw, wcw, wwf fans all in one punch.
  12. What were the pros and cons of the kayfabe era? The era of wrestling before Vince Mcmahon told the courts that pro wrestling was more performance than competition? Some may say it can be broken down into two. I believe it was just before WrestleMania V. Also, in terms of it being smashed on television I would say it may have been Survivor Series '97. What are/were the pros and cons of kayfabe(I mean the real kayfabe heavy era*oxymoron yes )
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    WWE Raw - February 2, 2009

    Yeah, Jericho gets to make a ton of money facing off with a hot celebrity coming off an Oscar nominated movie and will probably only lose thanks to Ric Flair interference. All this while being all over the mainstream media for the next few months. I am sure he is weeping as we speak. I bet he would rather fight William Regal for the IC title. I am sure Bam Bam Bigelow felt the same way after being LT's bitch back in 1995. What happened to that push he was promised? Are you seriosuly comparing the two? Jericho is a much bigger name than Bigelow was at the time. Rourke is way more mainstream right now than a retired LT was. Wrestlemania is way bigger and more popular than it was in 1995. The payout in 2009 is guaranteed to be way bigger than it was in 1995. For what its worth WrestleMania got some serious coverage for its press conference and the event itself. I saw it everywhere from ESPN to Inside Edition to Entertainment Tonight to blurbs in Sport Illustrated. WrestleMania was perhaps the only mainstream thing the wrestling world had in 1995 worth a damn with the exception of the wwf name. Even Bischoff had to say Mania was still the biggest show in wrestling when wcw was #1 in ratings. That is true, but it is nowhere near the level it is now. They got a lot of ESPN coverage and other sports outlets but not much mainstream media shows that will cover this. Yeah, WrestleMania is on a next level nowadays. However, something about those first 6 years still seem bigger to me. The closed circuit frenzy, sports bars, ppv shows being covered on legit sports shows(yeah we use to have it on front page newspapers and on sports news). IMO, there use to be more mass appeal to Mania. It could just be rose colored glasses though, but I kept those newspapers and recorded those shows covering it. Mania is bigger in some ways today, but is lesser on some other levels.
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    WWE Raw - February 2, 2009

    Yeah, Jericho gets to make a ton of money facing off with a hot celebrity coming off an Oscar nominated movie and will probably only lose thanks to Ric Flair interference. All this while being all over the mainstream media for the next few months. I am sure he is weeping as we speak. I bet he would rather fight William Regal for the IC title. I am sure Bam Bam Bigelow felt the same way after being LT's bitch back in 1995. What happened to that push he was promised? Are you seriosuly comparing the two? Jericho is a much bigger name than Bigelow was at the time. Rourke is way more mainstream right now than a retired LT was. Wrestlemania is way bigger and more popular than it was in 1995. The payout in 2009 is guaranteed to be way bigger than it was in 1995. For what its worth WrestleMania got some serious coverage for its press conference and the event itself. I saw it everywhere from ESPN to Inside Edition to Entertainment Tonight to blurbs in Sport Illustrated. WrestleMania was perhaps the only mainstream thing the wrestling world had in 1995 worth a damn with the exception of the wwf name. Even Bischoff had to say Mania was still the biggest show in wrestling when wcw was #1 in ratings.
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    WWE Raw - February 2, 2009

    Yeah, Jericho gets to make a ton of money facing off with a hot celebrity coming off an Oscar nominated movie and will probably only lose thanks to Ric Flair interference. All this while being all over the mainstream media for the next few months. I am sure he is weeping as we speak. I bet he would rather fight William Regal for the IC title. Big Show? He's really getting far from all the media exposure last year. He's an afterthought for this year's Mania. I did like his match and storyline last year though which made Mania feel big.
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